I tried to combine ideas from GoBobs and 8305 but gave up (Pacers, Raptors, Spurs, Warriors)

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I tried to combine ideas from GoBobs and 8305 but gave up (Pacers, Raptors, Spurs, Warriors) 

Post#1 » by Topofthekey » Tue Dec 7, 2021 12:32 am

I fiddled with this for a good hour, but gave up in the end. This is what the unfinished product looks like. Anybody want to finish it, be my guest


Pacers out: Turner, LeVert
Pacers in: Murray, Young, FRP

Raptors out: Siakam
Raptors in: Wiseman, LeVert

Spurs out: Murray, Young
Spurs in: Siakam, Kuminga

Warriors out: Kuminga, Wiseman, FRP
Warriors in: Turner

(Out of principle, I feel like Raptors should flip Wiseman to Magic for Bamba and pick, because turning Wiseman into Bamba + pick was in the original idea from GoBobs, but I removed it for the sake of simplicity)

Why,

Warriors:
Consolidate three smaller assets into Turner, go for it this year

Spurs:
Sell high on Murray

Raptors:
Turn Siakam into Wiseman for better fit

Pacers:
Improve their backcourt


I consider this unfinished because I think the value is a little bit imbalanced. I feel that Spurs are getting too good a deal in terms of value, and Pacers could stand to get a bit more value

Pacers also now have a hole at 4 (the assumption is Young becomes their backup 4), and Spurs now lack a starting PG

Pacers would also rather flip the pick elsewhere, probably

I tried to rectify these problems, but yea I gave up
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Re: I tried to combine ideas from GoBobs and 8305 but gave up (Pacers, Raptors, Spurs, Warriors) 

Post#2 » by Godaddycurse » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:02 am

This is really bad for raptors. I have levert as negative value (his play has been terrible) and wiseman is really unproven as well. We can do better elsewhere. Based on this it seems like you think Turner is worth Kuminga and a pick more than siakam which is well off to me.

I think toronto should be cutout altogether. Sounded like warriors asked about siakam in offseason (per rumors) and was rejected. i imagine this is worse than what they offered back then.
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Re: I tried to combine ideas from GoBobs and 8305 but gave up (Pacers, Raptors, Spurs, Warriors) 

Post#3 » by Commodor » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:33 am

GSW would rather just take Siakam if it only costs Wiseman & a player like Levert. Kuminga is really not needed here at all other than for other teams to get more value for less.

Spurs just getting insanely too much value here.
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Post#4 » by Topofthekey » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:14 am

Godaddycurse wrote:This is really bad for raptors. I have levert as negative value (his play has been terrible) and wiseman is really unproven as well. We can do better elsewhere. Based on this it seems like you think Turner is worth Kuminga and a pick more than siakam which is well off to me.

I think toronto should be cutout altogether. Sounded like warriors asked about siakam in offseason (per rumors) and was rejected. i imagine this is worse than what they offered back then.


Commodor wrote:GSW would rather just take Siakam if it only costs Wiseman & a player like Levert. Kuminga is really not needed here at all other than for other teams to get more value for less.

Spurs just getting insanely too much value here.


So, basically Spurs owe compensation to Raptors?

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Post#5 » by eminence » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:35 am

Commodor wrote:GSW would rather just take Siakam if it only costs Wiseman & a player like Levert. Kuminga is really not needed here at all other than for other teams to get more value for less.

Spurs just getting insanely too much value here.


GS doesn't really have the matching to get Siakam (Wiggins/Klay are the options). Don't see them as a player for Siakam at this point.

I like Turner in GS, but price is too high for me (by a fair amount, I have GS needing a bad 1st back vs sending one out).
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Re: I tried to combine ideas from GoBobs and 8305 but gave up (Pacers, Raptors, Spurs, Warriors) 

Post#6 » by Commodor » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:42 am

eminence wrote:
Commodor wrote:GSW would rather just take Siakam if it only costs Wiseman & a player like Levert. Kuminga is really not needed here at all other than for other teams to get more value for less.

Spurs just getting insanely too much value here.


GS doesn't really have the matching to get Siakam (Wiggins/Klay are the options). Don't see them as a player for Siakam at this point.

I like Turner in GS, but price is too high for me (by a fair amount, I have GS needing a bad 1st back vs sending one out).


Oh I agree, just in terms of OP it’s Siakam for Wiseman and Levert and I think GSW matches that and runs away with Kuminga in tow.
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Re: I tried to combine ideas from GoBobs and 8305 but gave up (Pacers, Raptors, Spurs, Warriors) 

Post#7 » by Commodor » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:44 am

Topofthekey wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:This is really bad for raptors. I have levert as negative value (his play has been terrible) and wiseman is really unproven as well. We can do better elsewhere. Based on this it seems like you think Turner is worth Kuminga and a pick more than siakam which is well off to me.

I think toronto should be cutout altogether. Sounded like warriors asked about siakam in offseason (per rumors) and was rejected. i imagine this is worse than what they offered back then.


Commodor wrote:GSW would rather just take Siakam if it only costs Wiseman & a player like Levert. Kuminga is really not needed here at all other than for other teams to get more value for less.

Spurs just getting insanely too much value here.


So, basically Spurs owe compensation to Raptors?

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GSW and Raptors would not do this. Kuminga & Wiseman may be offered for Siakam (although I don’t even know if they would right now for a threads worth of reasons) but Turner doesn’t get that return and a first.
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Re: I tried to combine ideas from GoBobs and 8305 but gave up (Pacers, Raptors, Spurs, Warriors) 

Post#8 » by Coxy » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:48 am

Overkill for the Warriors. Pass.

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