Chicago - LAL - Toronto Blockbuster

Godaddycurse · Post #1 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:40 am

LAL trade: Westbrook, Davis, Jordan
LAL receive: Dragic, Siakam, Vucevic, Svi

Toronto trade: Siakam, Dragic, Boucher, Svi
Toronto receive: Westbrook (buyout), PWill, TBJ, 2022 POR protected 1st, 2026 CHI top 4 protected 1st, 2028 CHI top 4 protected 1st

Chicago trade: Vuc, Pwill, TBJ, 2022 POR protected 1st, 2026 CHI top 4 protected 1st, 2028 CHI top 4 protected 1st
Chicago receive: AD, Boucher, Jordan

Why for LAL: get better spacing and more durable secondary star(s) for lebron
Why for Chicago: All in for 3rd star
Why for Toronto: Eat westbrooks money for big prospect/pick package

JB2 · Post #2 » by **JB2** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:52 am

This is beyond terrible for LA.

Look AD is having a down year.. his second in a row... but these offers are getting ridiculous. Russ will be an expiring next season so while it's an insanely high amount to pay per season, his contract ends soon.

Also, in what world are Dragic and Siakam durable stars? I don't if calling them durable or calling them stars upsets me more.

Godaddycurse · Post #3 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:53 am

JB2 wrote:This is beyond terrible for LA.

Look AD is having a down year.. his second in a row... but these offers are getting ridiculous. Russ will be an expiring next season so while it's an insanely high amount to pay per season, his contract ends soon.

Also, in what world are Dragic and Siakam durable stars? I don't if calling them durable or calling them stars upsets me more.

Siakam and Vuc were all stars and are more durable than AD

JB2 · Post #4 » by **JB2** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:16 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
JB2 wrote:This is beyond terrible for LA.

Look AD is having a down year.. his second in a row... but these offers are getting ridiculous. Russ will be an expiring next season so while it's an insanely high amount to pay per season, his contract ends soon.

Also, in what world are Dragic and Siakam durable stars? I don't if calling them durable or calling them stars upsets me more.

Siakam and Vuc were all stars and are more durable than AD

If AD is the bar for being durable, lord help us all.

Jamal Magloire was also an all star.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #5 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:41 am

You may have gotten some inspiration for this overall deal from my response to the AD trade value thread so my response probably won't be a surprise, but I'd do it for the Bulls. AD's status as a Chicagoan plus his ridiculously great fit both positionally and age range with Chicago's two big time wing all stars is an obviously great match. The catch of course is that AD is simply not dependable to stay healthy. But at this price, you take the risk.

That said, I suspect the Lakers view AD as a top 10 player value and wouldn't trade him without receiving someone amongst that level in return. And the Raptors are stealing some value as well it appears to me.

Godaddycurse · Post #6 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:57 pm

Kurt Heimlich wrote:You may have gotten some inspiration for this overall deal from my response to the AD trade value thread so my response probably won't be a surprise, but I'd do it for the Bulls. AD's status as a Chicagoan plus his ridiculously great fit both positionally and age range with Chicago's two big time wing all stars is an obviously great match. The catch of course is that AD is simply not dependable to stay healthy. But at this price, you take the risk.

That said, I suspect the Lakers view AD as a top 10 player value and wouldn't trade him without receiving someone amongst that level in return. And the Raptors are stealing some value as well it appears to me.

I have siakam worth PWill + 1-2 firsts and westbrook as negative 1-2 1sts. Which part am i stealing value from?

aguiar95 · Post #7 » by **aguiar95** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:32 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
I have siakam worth PWill + 1-2 firsts and westbrook as negative 1-2 1sts. Which part am i stealing value from?

I think you answered your own question.

Siakam is worth Williams and a protected 1st at best (the return you have Siakam worth is one of an All-star player on a good contract, which Siakam is definetely not).

Westbrook has neutral value (it's just very difficult to match salaries without adding value).

Therefore, the picks going to TOR should be going to LA. Also, Davis/Westbrook for Siakam/Vuc is a major downgrade in talent that even with the picks going the right way I have LA saying no.

Godaddycurse · Post #8 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:47 pm

aguiar95 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
I have siakam worth PWill + 1-2 firsts and westbrook as negative 1-2 1sts. Which part am i stealing value from?

I think you answered your own question.

Siakam is worth Williams and a protected 1st at best (the return you have Siakam worth is one of an All-star player on a good contract, which Siakam is definetely not).

Westbrook has neutral value (it's just very difficult to match salaries without adding value).

Therefore, the picks going to TOR should be going to LA. Also, Davis/Westbrook for Siakam/Vuc is a major downgrade in talent that even with the picks going the right way I have LA saying no.

Thats the first time i ever heard westbrook have neutral value so far this year.

Williams is out for the year. I ve seen posters mention he is worth around a late lotto to mid 1st only and the trade comps are for barnes or wood. I have siakam a tier or 2 above that.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #9 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:43 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Kurt Heimlich wrote:You may have gotten some inspiration for this overall deal from my response to the AD trade value thread so my response probably won't be a surprise, but I'd do it for the Bulls. AD's status as a Chicagoan plus his ridiculously great fit both positionally and age range with Chicago's two big time wing all stars is an obviously great match. The catch of course is that AD is simply not dependable to stay healthy. But at this price, you take the risk.

That said, I suspect the Lakers view AD as a top 10 player value and wouldn't trade him without receiving someone amongst that level in return. And the Raptors are stealing some value as well it appears to me.

I have siakam worth PWill + 1-2 firsts and westbrook as negative 1-2 1sts. Which part am i stealing value from?

Probably the negative value for Westbrook part. I dont like Westbrooks profile for modern team building as much as the next guy, but valuing him at such a negative makes value balancing difficult for all parties. Especially considering the lakers just gave up small positive value for him.

Troubadour · Post #10 » by **Troubadour** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:16 pm

The prospect of trading Pascal for the privilege to buy out Russell Westbrook is nauseating.

WindyCityBorn · Post #11 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:28 am

Kurt Heimlich wrote:You may have gotten some inspiration for this overall deal from my response to the AD trade value thread so my response probably won't be a surprise, but I'd do it for the Bulls. AD's status as a Chicagoan plus his ridiculously great fit both positionally and age range with Chicago's two big time wing all stars is an obviously great match. The catch of course is that AD is simply not dependable to stay healthy. But at this price, you take the risk.

That said, I suspect the Lakers view AD as a top 10 player value and wouldn't trade him without receiving someone amongst that level in return. And the Raptors are stealing some value as well it appears to me.

You are just looking at a name and not what he is now. I don’t care if he is from Chicago. That means nothing. I think we will eventually make a big move for another star, but it won’t be a fading star like Anthony Davis. He is nowhere near the player he was two years ago and will only get worse as the injuries keep piling up.