Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining

myersia · Post #1 » by **myersia** » Sat May 28, 2022 12:30 am

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Mamba Mentality · Post #2 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Sat May 28, 2022 12:35 am

Its not Doc, and its not Mark Jackson, to me that's a win. I don't know much about Ham but everything I've read and heard about him he's all about accountability and toughness...both things we were in dire need of last season.

TheHartBreakKid · Post #3 » by **TheHartBreakKid** » Sat May 28, 2022 12:52 am

Considering the options, he was on the top of my list. Best combination of upside and fit with the current roster.

MAMBAEMD · Post #4 » by **MAMBAEMD** » Sat May 28, 2022 1:04 am

I think this is good.
Vogel was completely tuned out by the players.
Ham won’t be.

We still needs players though. We need toughness, defense, shooting, and rebounding.

Hiring Ham is a decent move . But by itself, it won’t get us over the hump by any means .

LAL1947 · Post #5 » by **LAL1947** » Sat May 28, 2022 2:58 am

Welcome Darvin! Make us proud and get the team into championship shape! :clap:

LAL1947 · Post #6 » by **LAL1947** » Sat May 28, 2022 3:02 am

lakerRD wrote:Vogel was completely tuned out by the players.

Which players?

The young players on our squad respected Frank. If you mean players like Russ, Melo, Dwight and Ariza... well, they need to go. These are veterans and grown men... yet more bothered by their hair styles and fashion than winning games or building a winning culture.

lakerRD wrote:We still needs players though. We need toughness, defense, shooting, and rebounding.

Hiring Ham is a decent move . But by itself, it won’t get us over the hump by any means .

Agreed! It's going to be an interesting summer.

EArl · Post #7 » by **EArl** » Sat May 28, 2022 4:36 am

Best case scenario imo. I definitely did not want Doc or Mark Jackson.

Post #8 » by **Slava** » Sat May 28, 2022 6:44 am

Don’t know what to expect, other than that he was most recently Buds assistant.

Ball so hard · Post #9 » by **Ball so hard** » Sat May 28, 2022 11:11 am

Lol @ he won’t be tuned out by the players. There’s literally no way of knowing that. You can bet he’d be tuned out if the going gets tough and rocky. Once again, just about every hiring happens to have had a prior relationship with someone within the Lakers organization. One could argue the last rookie coach we had was tuned out by the players. Lebron definitely did. He’s a no nonsense coach… really? How do you know that?

sonnyhill · Post #10 » by **sonnyhill** » Sat May 28, 2022 12:51 pm

Ball so hard wrote:Lol @ he won’t be tuned out by the players. There’s literally no way of knowing that. You can bet he’d be tuned out if the going gets tough and rocky. Once again, just about every hiring happens to have had a prior relationship with someone within the Lakers organization. One could argue the last rookie coach we had was tuned out by the players. Lebron definitely did. He’s a no nonsense coach… really? How do you know that?

Great post and on point with "How do you know that?"

None of us really know anything going on within the Laker organization except that this year's team missed both the play-in and the playoffs; had a disjointed, rickety and old roster; looked disinterested on defense; and too often was the subject of negative media speculation.

Maybe Pelinka is, indeed, empowered to rebuild the roster. If this is the case, let's hope that he has a plan and is in coordination with both Jeanie and the new head coach.

While neither a "lifer"-retread nor a made guy (Kerr, Pop, Doc, Nurse, Bud), Ham comes to the Lakers without previous ties to the org, other than a brief stint as a player development coach on Mike Brown's staff, and should be given the necessary leeway and time to install his system, probably greatly influenced by Mike Budenholzer and Gregg Popovich. Fan and media scrutiny should be less-focused on LeBron and Ham and much more focused on Jeanie and her sewing group and Rob, as the team has some serious decisions to make on how to either tweak or fully rebuild its roster.

danfantastk32 · Post #11 » by **danfantastk32** » Sat May 28, 2022 3:52 pm

So it's all better now right? Vogel was the issue, after all.

So bring back the squad, and let's go get that title. I have a feeling Russ is gonna listen to this guy :roll:

sonnyhill · Post #12 » by **sonnyhill** » Sat May 28, 2022 5:47 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:So it's all better now right? Vogel was the issue, after all.

So bring back the squad, and let's go get that title. I have a feeling Russ is gonna listen to this guy

No, it is not all better now.

And, I do not believe that Vogel was "issue."

Phil has been advocating building a Westbrook-centric roster and Ham probably has a plan to do this. Will it pay dividends in terms of wins? We do not know, yet.

Also, it is not a foregone conclusion that the team will "bring back the squad" and may be in the market to trade either LeBron, AD, or both. We do not know, yet.

If there was anyone who should be put under the spotlight now, it is Pelinka.

Post #13 » by **Kilroy** » Sat May 28, 2022 7:28 pm

Darvin Ham was a Klutch hire... He's perfect for them. I'm sure they figure they can mold him into the ideal coach for their clients...

And he may be fundamentally a good coach... But that doesn't matter on this team because he has no real gravitas and will have no real authority in a room filled with the likes of LeBron, Ad, Westbrook and whoever else they decide they want to play with...

So it's whatever...

If next season is a success or another disaster, it'll have little to do with him... Which is what I felt about Vogel too...

danfantastk32 · Post #14 » by **danfantastk32** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:38 pm

sonnyhill wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:So it's all better now right? Vogel was the issue, after all.

So bring back the squad, and let's go get that title. I have a feeling Russ is gonna listen to this guy

No, it is not all better now.

And, I do not believe that Vogel was "issue."

Phil has been advocating building a Westbrook-centric roster and Ham probably has a plan to do this. Will it pay dividends in terms of wins? We do not know, yet.

Also, it is not a foregone conclusion that the team will "bring back the squad" and may be in the market to trade either LeBron, AD, or both. We do not know, yet.

If there was anyone who should be put under the spotlight now, it is Pelinka.

It's called sarcasm buddy. Who cares who is picked. They're just gonna get the same ride.

euphorbus · Post #15 » by **euphorbus** » Sat May 28, 2022 10:25 pm

Kilroy wrote:Darvin Ham was a Klutch hire... He's perfect for them. I'm sure they figure they can mold him into the ideal coach for their clients...

And he may be fundamentally a good coach... But that doesn't matter on this team because he has no real gravitas and will have no real authority in a room filled with the likes of LeBron, AD, Westbrook and whoever else they decide they want to play with...

So it's whatever...

If next season is a success or another disaster, it'll have little to do with him... Which is what I felt about Vogel too...

Which is why the Lakers would be best off trading LeBron James. Then they would have a future. Right now, the team has few tradable assets and even less financial flexibility. Who would have thought the Los Angeles Lakers would be working out players projected to go undrafted?

Although if it comes to that, they could do worse than signing Brady Manek.

tamaraw08 · Post #16 » by **tamaraw08** » Sun May 29, 2022 2:22 am

Darvin Ham might be the most Athletic Former NBA player that have ever coach an NBA team.
https://youtu.be/pz-BSup2I-c
great coaches like Pops, Spoelstra, JVG etc have actually didn't even play in the NBA as far as I know.
Phil, Riley were role players, add Ime Ukoka, Kerr is more of a specialist/shooter.
Magic tried but failed. Bird was un-athletic and also heavily relied on another ex role player Rick Carlisle to run the Pacers before.
Drexler bombed his stint Coaching Houston U, with under 33% record, lasted 2 years. I can't help but wonder why athletic guys like TMac, Carter, MJ, Worthy, Dominique Wilkins etc etc etc never tried coaching. Were they smart enough to teach, strategize etc?
Hopefully, as a Lakers fan, Darvin would be the exception. :nod:

TylersLakers · Post #17 » by **TylersLakers** » Sun May 29, 2022 5:33 am

Great hire.

I wonder what his staff will look like. This team needs an OC position in the worst way.

sonnyhill · Post #18 » by **sonnyhill** » Sun May 29, 2022 4:20 pm

TylersLakers wrote:Great hire.

I wonder what his staff will look like. This team needs an OC position in the worst way.

According to this article, it looks like Ham will have the autonomy to hire his staff (it is actually quite amazing that this is even an issue): https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lakers-not-giving-darvin-ham-the-frank-vogel-treatment-says-la-insider/ar-AAXQbKj?li=BBnb7Kz

danfantastk32 · Post #19 » by **danfantastk32** » Sun May 29, 2022 5:55 pm

euphorbus wrote:Which is why the Lakers would be best off trading LeBron James. Then they would have a future.

But for what? You got someone willing to give us some good picks, AND we need like $30 mil in contracts (nothing too bad, or too long though...right?)

Look....we mortgaged our future for this guy. But at least we got 5 years, and a title out of it. Is there a team out there who's gonna remain under the cap with his contract, so we can just get picks??? Would YOU trade your picks, a couple nice young pieces, and an expiring contract for 2022 Lebron?? No? Oh jeez....so it's all the other guys who are idiots?

You might find a team who is awfully close to a title (I'd say Phoenix is a good example), and who are desperate to get over the top. CP3 and Lebron are pretty close....Phoenix is not all that far from LA (family) via private Jet. But what are you gonna get? If I'm Phoenix, I'm giving you Dario Saric, Jae Crowder, Cameron Payne...some other riff-raff, and I'll throw in a 1st (gonna be like the 28th pick) for the last year of Lebron contract.....and we'll see if we can do it.

Don't like it?? Good...go trade him elsewhere, or keep him.

So.....Saric, Crowder, Payne...couple other guys (basically all the guys who AREN'T Responsible for Phoenix being good) and let's even say 2 first round picks (will be incredibly late ones). So what we got there? What exactly is our "Future" there?

Listen....I'd like to trade him for a bag of goodies too....but that's long gone. If we can find that perfect team willing to part with a couple assets in the desperate attempt to win a chip in their closing window, then by all means. But I don't think your gonna get squat for him at this point.

Landsberger · Post #20 » by **Landsberger** » Mon May 30, 2022 4:33 pm

Mamba Mentality wrote:Its not Doc, and its not Mark Jackson, to me that's a win. I don't know much about Ham but everything I've read and heard about him he's all about accountability and toughness...both things we were in dire need of last season.

Jackson I can understand I guess but why would you not want a playoff tested coach who seems to get more out of a team than the sum of their parts?

Ham is an unknown and will be a Bron puppet IMHO. Just what the FO wanted.