Marc Stein reporting a possible trade of Randle for Westbrook?

[Capn'O]

I don't buy that Westbrook coming here is a real option. If we engaged LAL it's to send him to the Jazz, where they'll cut him and take the salary relief into next year. Lakers get Knicks and possibly Jazz vets. Knicks get Mitchell and relinquish fewer of their own future assets (LAL contributes).

[thebuzzardman]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7597032

Jazz get two 1st round picks from Lakers, 4 from Knicks

[Capn'O]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7597032

Jazz get two 1st round picks from Lakers, 4 from Knicks

Did you try it with Conley out of the trade and Rose going to LAL? I would imagine the Jazz would save Conley for a separate trade to garner more stuff.

That trade looks pretty close to feasible otherwise.

[N Y K]

Is this done yet?

[thebuzzardman]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7597032

Jazz get two 1st round picks from Lakers, 4 from Knicks

Did you try it with Conley out of the trade and Rose going to LAL? I would imagine the Jazz would save Conley for a separate trade to garner more stuff.

That trade looks pretty close to feasible otherwise.

I didn't. I just wanted to do a trade where the Knicks kept Fournier and Grime and IQ but also got Boj B.
All the shooting!

Obviously, Jazz aren't going to do this. At least Conley going in a separate deal, as you note - though I tried to capture that with Jazz getting TWO Laker picks (probably not enough) and still getting at least 4 Knick picks. (Probably still want 5 in this case)

[aggo]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7597032

Jazz get two 1st round picks from Lakers, 4 from Knicks

I would do this trade in a heartbeat

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What's weirder is some dudes who play ball here and still defend this guy.

I've played ball before too and I would absolutely hate to play with dudes like this. They suck the life and fun out of the game.

[moocow007]

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Not for nothing but I think that's nitpicking just a bit and trying to find any reason to attack Randle. Middleton missed what 9 out of 10 times would have been a basket (he was basically right under the basket). And that ball did get a weird bounce off the rim. Also RJ didn't exactly go up for the board either and you can argue that he was closer to where the ball was coming off the rim. Should Randle have been more aggressive? Sure. But plenty of players do that. And Randle looked pissed at himself for not getting that. Also I believe that was the January 28th game where a lot of the Knicks were way off. Burks, IQ and Grimes were a combined -56 in that game in terms of +/-. Was just a real ugly game. Only guy that was on was Fournier. Everyone else was pretty much trash. Barrett was chucking away at a 6-20 clip and he was the only other guy doing anything.

[Ghetto Gospel]

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Not for nothing but I think that's nitpicking just a bit and trying to find any reason to attack Randle. Middleton missed what 9 out of 10 times would have been a basket (he was basically right under the basket). And that ball did get a weird bounce off the rim. Also RJ didn't exactly go up for the board either and you can argue that he was closer to where the ball was coming off the rim. Should Randle have been more aggressive? Sure. But plenty of players do that. And Randle looked pissed at himself for not getting that. Also I believe that was the January 28th game where a lot of the Knicks were way off. Burks, IQ and Grimes were a combined -56 in that game in terms of +/-. Was just a real ugly game. Only guy that was on was Fournier. Everyone else was pretty much trash. Barrett shot 6-20 and he was the only other guy doing anything.

it's more in reference to not helping obi back up

[moocow007]

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Not for nothing but I think that's nitpicking just a bit and trying to find any reason to attack Randle. Middleton missed what 9 out of 10 times would have been a basket (he was basically right under the basket). And that ball did get a weird bounce off the rim. Also RJ didn't exactly go up for the board either and you can argue that he was closer to where the ball was coming off the rim. Should Randle have been more aggressive? Sure. But plenty of players do that. And Randle looked pissed at himself for not getting that. Also I believe that was the January 28th game where a lot of the Knicks were way off. Burks, IQ and Grimes were a combined -56 in that game in terms of +/-. Was just a real ugly game. Only guy that was on was Fournier. Everyone else was pretty much trash. Barrett shot 6-20 and he was the only other guy doing anything.

it's more in reference to not helping obi back up

Ok but I don't know if that would be that big a deal if it was anyone else not helping out. Fournier didn't race in to help either (for example) and you don't see anyone saying that that's another reason why Fournier is not a good teammate or what not. Randle was struggling mightily by the time this game rolled around and he looked pissed at how the Knicks could have let Middleton in under the basket and probably he himself missing the rebound. I think it's exactly what the original guy that posted this said "he's probably nitpicking". This is basically pointing to a guy that we all know is not perfect, trying to find anything to justify it.

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Not for nothing but I think that's nitpicking just a bit and trying to find any reason to attack Randle. Middleton missed what 9 out of 10 times would have been a basket (he was basically right under the basket). And that ball did get a weird bounce off the rim. Also RJ didn't exactly go up for the board either and you can argue that he was closer to where the ball was coming off the rim. Should Randle have been more aggressive? Sure. But plenty of players do that. And Randle looked pissed at himself for not getting that. Also I believe that was the January 28th game where a lot of the Knicks were way off. Burks, IQ and Grimes were a combined -56 in that game in terms of +/-. Was just a real ugly game. Only guy that was on was Fournier. Everyone else was pretty much trash. Barrett was chucking away at a 6-20 clip and he was the only other guy doing anything.

If it was one time, then ok. But there was a million examples last season between not hustling, not helping teammates, knocking clipboards from assistant coaches, etc. That behavior was really unacceptable and no excuse for it to happen as often as it did.

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Not for nothing but I think that's nitpicking just a bit and trying to find any reason to attack Randle. Middleton missed what 9 out of 10 times would have been a basket (he was basically right under the basket). And that ball did get a weird bounce off the rim. Also RJ didn't exactly go up for the board either and you can argue that he was closer to where the ball was coming off the rim. Should Randle have been more aggressive? Sure. But plenty of players do that. And Randle looked pissed at himself for not getting that. Also I believe that was the January 28th game where a lot of the Knicks were way off. Burks, IQ and Grimes were a combined -56 in that game in terms of +/-. Was just a real ugly game. Only guy that was on was Fournier. Everyone else was pretty much trash. Barrett was chucking away at a 6-20 clip and he was the only other guy doing anything.

If it was one time, then ok. But there was a million examples last season between not hustling, not helping teammates, knocking clipboards from assistant coaches, etc. That behavior was really unacceptable and no excuse for it to happen as often as it did.

But this was a clip of one specific play and posting it as why we can't defend the player. That play in and of itself is not that bad. If he was laughing then yeah, but he was pretty clearly frustrated. Was it at himself or was it at Obi for not boxing out, or a combo? Not sure. But again guys do that in the heat of the moment especially when they and the team are struggling. Should he have if he was a true leader and a true no.1 guy? No. But we all should know he's not either right? That's what I mentioned previously.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Not for nothing but I think that's nitpicking just a bit and trying to find any reason to attack Randle. Middleton missed what 9 out of 10 times would have been a basket (he was basically right under the basket). And that ball did get a weird bounce off the rim. Also RJ didn't exactly go up for the board either and you can argue that he was closer to where the ball was coming off the rim. Should Randle have been more aggressive? Sure. But plenty of players do that. And Randle looked pissed at himself for not getting that. Also I believe that was the January 28th game where a lot of the Knicks were way off. Burks, IQ and Grimes were a combined -56 in that game in terms of +/-. Was just a real ugly game. Only guy that was on was Fournier. Everyone else was pretty much trash. Barrett shot 6-20 and he was the only other guy doing anything.

it's more in reference to not helping obi back up

Ok but I don't know if that would be that big a deal if it was anyone else not helping out. Fournier didn't race in to help either (for example) and you don't see anyone saying that that's another reason why Fournier is not a good teammate or what not. Randle was struggling mightily by the time this game rolled around and he looked pissed at how the Knicks could have let Middleton in under the basket and probably he himself missing the rebound. I think it's exactly what the original guy that posted this said "he's probably nitpicking". This is basically pointing to a guy that we all know is not perfect, trying to find anything to justify it.

WHAT? Evan was out beyond the FT line. Randle was right there. Looked right at him. Turned and walked away!. This is exactly the shyt we're talking about and it happened more than once.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Not for nothing but I think that's nitpicking just a bit and trying to find any reason to attack Randle. Middleton missed what 9 out of 10 times would have been a basket (he was basically right under the basket). And that ball did get a weird bounce off the rim. Also RJ didn't exactly go up for the board either and you can argue that he was closer to where the ball was coming off the rim. Should Randle have been more aggressive? Sure. But plenty of players do that. And Randle looked pissed at himself for not getting that. Also I believe that was the January 28th game where a lot of the Knicks were way off. Burks, IQ and Grimes were a combined -56 in that game in terms of +/-. Was just a real ugly game. Only guy that was on was Fournier. Everyone else was pretty much trash. Barrett was chucking away at a 6-20 clip and he was the only other guy doing anything.

If it was one time, then ok. But there was a million examples last season between not hustling, not helping teammates, knocking clipboards from assistant coaches, etc. That behavior was really unacceptable and no excuse for it to happen as often as it did.

But this was a clip of one specific play and posting it as why we can't defend the player. That play in and of itself is not that bad. If he was laughing then yeah, but he was pretty clearly frustrated. Was it at himself or was it at Obi for not boxing out, or a combo? Not sure. But again guys do that in the heat of the moment especially when they and the team are struggling. Should he have if he was a true leader and a true no.1 guy? No. But we all should know he's not either right? That's what I mentioned previously.

He looked at Obi on the floor and didn't help him up. Just bad vibes from Randle on that play and all season. I don't get how that can be ignored.

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Damn I thought something happened

[moocow007]

If it was one time, then ok. But there was a million examples last season between not hustling, not helping teammates, knocking clipboards from assistant coaches, etc. That behavior was really unacceptable and no excuse for it to happen as often as it did.

But this was a clip of one specific play and posting it as why we can't defend the player. That play in and of itself is not that bad. If he was laughing then yeah, but he was pretty clearly frustrated. Was it at himself or was it at Obi for not boxing out, or a combo? Not sure. But again guys do that in the heat of the moment especially when they and the team are struggling. Should he have if he was a true leader and a true no.1 guy? No. But we all should know he's not either right? That's what I mentioned previously.

He looked at Obi on the floor and didn't help him up. Just bad vibes from Randle on that play and all season. I don't get how that can be ignored.

It can be ignored if we just simply accept that Randle is not the type of player that most of you guys feel he should be. Constantly badgering and bringing it up trying to find evidence to prove something that most everyone already knows is going to do what? That's what I mean and have been trying to say. It's overkill. The guy is going to be here until he's not here. What is trying to kill him in the court of public opinion (like he needs any help) going to do? How does that help anyone (him or the team or the fans)? To prove you're right? There's no need for it, cause it's already been proven.

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Not for nothing but I think that's nitpicking just a bit and trying to find any reason to attack Randle. Middleton missed what 9 out of 10 times would have been a basket (he was basically right under the basket). And that ball did get a weird bounce off the rim. Also RJ didn't exactly go up for the board either and you can argue that he was closer to where the ball was coming off the rim. Should Randle have been more aggressive? Sure. But plenty of players do that. And Randle looked pissed at himself for not getting that. Also I believe that was the January 28th game where a lot of the Knicks were way off. Burks, IQ and Grimes were a combined -56 in that game in terms of +/-. Was just a real ugly game. Only guy that was on was Fournier. Everyone else was pretty much trash. Barrett was chucking away at a 6-20 clip and he was the only other guy doing anything.

If it was one time, then ok. But there was a million examples last season between not hustling, not helping teammates, knocking clipboards from assistant coaches, etc. That behavior was really unacceptable and no excuse for it to happen as often as it did.

Here's another. Unacceptable.

[moocow007]

Look guys. It is in my best interest for this team to be as successful as it can be. I can't see how having Randle put through the grinder and constantly booed and belittled and criticized repeatedly going to help him or, as a result, this team any. Has nothing to do with being angry about what he is vs what he should be vs what the Knicks need him to be. He's a Knick and as long as he remains a Knick I'll look to support him. For as long as he's on this team it's my best interest for him to be in the best state of mind so that he can best help this team. I'm not interested in getting my anger out (and that's where I think some of you guys are stuck at). I'm not interested in making him suffer. I'm just interested in whatever it takes for him to be the best he can be while he's a Knick so the Knicks can be the best they can be as a team. And I cannot see how what fans and media are doing to him helping. Doesn't mean that the fans and media are wrong about what they are criticizing him about. But what does that do to help anything? The goal is to do whatever is in the best interests of the team or is the goal to be right? Unless the Knicks trade him, and they aren't (does not make sense right now), then whatever it takes to get him to maybe return to MIP Randle is what I'm interested in. What he did last season won't mean diddly squat and I can ignore if he can become the right Randle. And supporting the **** honestly would be more likely to get that good Randle out that constantly being on him and riding him cause you're furious at him. Fans being fans? Mob being the mob? There's a saying about rising above all that.

[knicks94]

I really hope that Randle has the season of his life, makes another all-star team, carries the Knicks to the playoffs so that less than a year from now he can get traded.