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Post#1 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:42 pm

I hope that the Suns actually keep and use their 2023 draft picks ( first and 2nd). Even regardless of acquiring Durant because I've already identified the perfect defensive end offensive power forward options for us in the late first- mid 2nd range.

I've also identified really strong candidates for our post Paul PGOTF needs too. I've found legitimate prospects with similar upside and skillset versatility/ athleticism to:

- Paul George in Brandon Miller of Alabama.
- Young/ raw Giannis in Ousmane N'Diaye of Senegal/ Belgium.
- Robert Williams with an ultimate upside of Anthony Davis in Damion Collins of Kentucky.
*** Damian Collins is 6'9 with a 7'5 wingspan and a 42 inch vertical!!!
He reminds alot of young AD in college and would be an absolutely ideal 4/5 option next to Ayton. ESPECIALLY IF we land Durant to play offensively at the small forward for us.

** Also, potential bargain Giannis upside swing options of:
- Mohammed Gueye of Washington.
-Kaodirichi Akobundu-Ehiogu of Memphis.
( Kao is 6'10 with a 7'3 wingspan and a 47 inch vertical!!! And developing perimeter game).

And for the guard options, I've identified guards with parallels and upside to:

- Tyrese Maxey, in Tramon Mark of Houston.
- Kyle Lowry, in Marcus Sasser of Houston.
- Mini Donovan Mitchell ( Young defensive/ playmaking version) / young Conley/ Jalen Brunson in Tyrese Hunter of Iowa State.
- a high character Pat Beverly/ Mini Marcus Smart ( only with better leadership/ playmaking), in Jamal Shead of Houston.

Lastly, For the wing/ small forward options I have identified players with the same/ similar talent, athleticism, versatility, skillset, upside as:

- Mikal Bridges, in Julian Phillips of Tennessee.
- Mikal Bridges, in Rayan Rupert of New Zealand Breakers.
- Mini Brandon Ingram ( IF he gets back on track), in Emoni Bates.
- Derozan/ raw Tatum , in Nathan Missia Dio (6'8 with a 7'7 wingspan of Overtime Elite.
- Phoenix suns post injury era Grant Hill/ Shane Battier ( 6'8 high IQ versatile defender/ playmaker), in Addison Patterson of Oregon.
- Matisse Thybulle/ Tony Allen/ Jonathan Simmons, in Caleb McConnell of Rutgers.

Ideally we must add cost controlled cheap talent with upside for value escalation and to balance out our hefty/ expensive core contracts.

My overall priority list to target/ keep an eye on via the 23' draft to address those needs and give us a deeper and more desirable asset cache for potential trades, etc are:

PG-
1- Jamal Shead.
2- Tyrese Hunter.
3- Marcus Sasser.
4- Dior Johnson.
5- Skyy Clark.

SG
1- Isiah Mosley.
2- Travon Mark.
3- Sidy Sissoko.
4- Caleb Love.
5- Rayan Rupert.
** Caleb McConnell.

SF-
1- Emoni Bates.
2- Nathan missia Dio.
3- Julian Phillips.
4- Rayan Rupert.
5- Addison Patterson.
** Leonard Miller is also intriguing similar but lesser player to Brandon Miller. But has great size and versatility at 6'10 with guard skills.

PF-
1- Damion Collins.
2- Ousmane N'Diaye.
3- Brandon Miller.
4- Mohammad Gueye.
5- Kaodirichi Akobundu-Ehiogu?
*** Kris Murray?

Center-
( center is not a critical positional need for us as much with Ayton resigned. But for size and length to replace Mcghee as needed and because Biyombo and Landale are borderline players at best. IF we decide to target best available backup 5s, then we need to target:

1- Jamarion Sharp.
2- Zvonimir Ivisic.
3- Dilan Anderson.
4- Franck Kepnang.
5- Nfaly Dante.

** Ibou Dianko Badji!
I'm still on that train or especially EJ Onu if we could get them on a two way possibly. Onu from the GLeague and Ibou Badji overseas. Either could come super cheap too. :wink:
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#2 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Sep 2, 2022 2:07 pm

https://bustingbrackets.com/2022/01/25/ncaa-basketball-6-mid-major-players-2021-22-radar/amp/4/

Really good read! A solid list of hidden talent with great metrics, attention attributes and efficiency.
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Post#4 » by darealjuice » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:21 am

Wembenyama and Scoot look like serious blue chip prospects tonight. Congrats in advance to the teams that end up with them.
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Post#5 » by darealjuice » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:39 am



The tanking this year will be glorious between Wemby and Scoot
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Post#6 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:45 am

Wembamya is absolutely absurd. I don't think I've ever seen anything like him. Ralph Sampson with better handle and shot? I don't **** know, he's a alien.

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Post#7 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:46 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Wembamya is absolutely absurd. I don't think I've ever seen anything like him. Ralph Sampson with better handle and shot? I don't **** know, he's a alien.

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You're absolutely right about Wenbanyama. But the prosperity and sustainability in both terms of talent projection and financial flexibility outside of our new ownership having great affluence and a propensity to spend would ge to utilize the draft and GLeague for an influx of cost controlled talent to supplement our potentially potent core. To that effect, we absolutely and unequivocally need to address our backup guard (potential pgotf) needs and frontcourt 4 (complimentary backup power forward) needs within our anticipated draft range.

But we also need to better prioritize this Avenue in addition to targeting a higher tier of free agents under our new and improved imminent ownership! Since teams very rarely relinquish actual stars, our best avenue to securing another legitimate one ( that we can keep and grow with our core into a dynasty) will be through the draft and with much greater emphasis on adding elite development personnel towards that trajectory. Lastly, we need to recognize the current trend/ prioritization of these young prospects/ players as cost controlled ( percieved) high value assets that are/ will be key inclusionary pieces in higher tier trades that offer legitimate capacity to put us over the top in contrast to the low scale minimal impact moves we've chosen. :nod:
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Post#8 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 7, 2022 5:45 am

Before I may forget, 3 mid to late 2nd to undrafted options likely available to us that would be a great value alternative to their higher tier ranked options are:
1- Norchad Ormier
(Arkansas state).
6'7 230lbs with a 6'9 wingspan.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/norchand-omier-1.html
He's basically a big, strong, physical athletic wing that's a stat stuffer in multiple categories. He still needs to improve his range more/ 3 pt shooting. But again, he's big, strong, and physical and a solid defender that on value could really strengthen our bench long-term without requiring high usage. And as a strong glue guy/ connector for our core.


2- Nate Laszewski
(Notre Dame).
6'10 235lbs with a 7 ft wingspan??
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nate-laszewski-1.html
He's basically a stronger, quicker, more athletic, better shooting, more aggressive two-way version of Saric!


3- Manny Bates
(NC State).
6'11 230lbs wingspan Unknown??
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/manny-bates-1.html
Bates is basically a really long elite defensive shot-blocking, rebounding monster in the mold of Robert Williams. He's pretty raw offensively but has elite potential as a defensive anchor for a team. When you watch him, how well he moves, the big time defensive plays he makes, You'll see a lot of timelord in his game.


Now I'm not saying any of these players have star potential or even might become high-end starters, but they absolutely have the capacity to be consistent key supplemental contributors off the bench. And at a really solid value too! :nod:
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Post#9 » by bwgood77 » Fri Oct 7, 2022 5:50 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Before I may forget, 3 mid to late 2nd to undrafted options likely available to us that would be a great value alternative to their higher tier ranked options are:
1- Norchad Ormier
(Arkansas state).
6'7 230lbs with a 6'9 wingspan.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/norchand-omier-1.html
He's basically a big, strong, physical athletic wing that's a stat stuffer in multiple categories. He still needs to improve his range more/ 3 pt shooting. But again, he's big, strong, and physical and a solid defender that on value could really strengthen our bench long-term without requiring high usage. And as a strong glue guy/ connector for our core.


2- Nate Laszewski
(Notre Dame).
6'10 235lbs with a 7 ft wingspan??
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nate-laszewski-1.html
He's basically a stronger, quicker, more athletic, better shooting, more aggressive two-way version of Saric!


3- Manny Bates
(NC State).
6'11 230lbs wingspan Unknown??
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/manny-bates-1.html
Bates is basically a really long elite defensive shot-blocking, rebounding monster in the mold of Robert Williams. He's pretty raw offensively but has elite potential as a defensive anchor for a team. When you watch him, how well he moves, the big time defensive plays he makes, You'll see a lot of timelord in his game.


Now that's a good clean post with a nice brief summary, name in bold and video in spoilers that isn't intimidating. Good work!
Now I'm not saying any of these players have star potential or even might become high-end starters, but they absolutely have the capacity to be consistent key supplemental contributors off the bench. And at a really solid value too! :nod:
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Post#10 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 7, 2022 5:57 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Before I may forget, 3 mid to late 2nd to undrafted options likely available to us that would be a great value alternative to their higher tier ranked options are:
1- Norchad Ormier
(Arkansas state).
6'7 230lbs with a 6'9 wingspan.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/norchand-omier-1.html
He's basically a big, strong, physical athletic wing that's a stat stuffer in multiple categories. He still needs to improve his range more/ 3 pt shooting. But again, he's big, strong, and physical and a solid defender that on value could really strengthen our bench long-term without requiring high usage. And as a strong glue guy/ connector for our core.


2- Nate Laszewski
(Notre Dame).
6'10 235lbs with a 7 ft wingspan??
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nate-laszewski-1.html
He's basically a stronger, quicker, more athletic, better shooting, more aggressive two-way version of Saric!


3- Manny Bates
(NC State).
6'11 230lbs wingspan Unknown??
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/manny-bates-1.html
Bates is basically a really long elite defensive shot-blocking, rebounding monster in the mold of Robert Williams. He's pretty raw offensively but has elite potential as a defensive anchor for a team. When you watch him, how well he moves, the big time defensive plays he makes, You'll see a lot of timelord in his game.


Now that's a good clean post with a nice brief summary, name in bold and video in spoilers that isn't intimidating. Good work!
Now I'm not saying any of these players have star potential or even might become high-end starters, but they absolutely have the capacity to be consistent key supplemental contributors off the bench. And at a really solid value too! :nod:


Thanks, I'm still working on habitually improving that aspect of my posts consistently. :nod:
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Post#11 » by kennydorglas » Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:34 pm

How about find to 4 with reb/def archetype to eventually play alongside ayton? There's a history about finding those guys late in the 1st round.

Obviously not a 5 trying to be 4 like jalen smith.

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Post#12 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:47 pm

kennydorglas wrote:How about find to 4 with reb/def archetype to eventually play alongside ayton? There's a history about finding those guys late in the 1st round.

Obviously not a 5 trying to be 4 like jalen smith.

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Well yes to this of course! And if perimeter shooting/ faceup game is of paramount importance, then there's two very solid options available to us in a very similar mold to Robert Williams ( Boston) that people should look into:

1- Manny Bates (NC State).
https://accsports.com/acc-analytics/manny-bates-scouting-report-the-prototype-center-in-more-ways-than-one/
He's often incorrectly listed at center, But is a F/C very similar to Timelord, only 6'11 instead of 6'9. He's more mobile than Smith was but has very good timing defensively and on weakside rotations too.



2- Daimion Collins (Kentucky).
https://nbadraftroom.com/daimion-collins/
Currently 6'10, but shares many elite defensive and rebounding traits similar to Jarrett Allen and Robert Williams. What many people aren't completely aware of yet is his elite shotblocking potential and his developing faceup game and 3 pt range. He's got really good mechanics and a smooth jumper. But is primarily used in a defensive/ rebounding role.


Lastly if you wanna find value in a very solid, very strong 6'7-6'8 power wing ( 3/4) that's an absolute stat stuffer and double double high motor physical threat, you need to check out:

Norchad Omier (Arkansas State).
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2022/mar/01/asus-omier-named-sun-belts-top-player/

He's very strong and chiseled at 6-7 240 lbs with around 5% body fat. He's an elite rebounder and high motor versatile two way physical player in the Ron Artest/ lance Stephenson physical power wing mold. Only Omier doesn't have attitude issues. He just stuffs the stat sheet with intangibles such as rebounds, blocks, steals, deflections, etc.
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Post#13 » by kennydorglas » Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:16 am

Ok this norchad omier dude definitely got my attention.

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Post#14 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 3, 2022 6:06 am

This may be more related to the 2024 draft, but....

By Mike Vorkunov
Nov 2, 2022

Overtime Elite, the company that has earned intrigue by launching a basketball league from scratch last year and shocking the sport’s ecosystem by signing and paying highly ranked high school players, has signed a media rights deal with Amazon Prime. The streaming network will air 20 OTE games in each of the next three seasons. Here’s what you need to know:

The contract, the first media rights deal for the league, furthers Amazon’s dip into live sports.

This deal will give a large platform for Overtime Elite, where viewers can watch two potential top-10 NBA draft picks and other young, promising players.

Amazon has invested in Overtime for the company’s Series D funding round.

Amazon will also air an Overtime season-long unscripted series in the middle of next year.

What does this mean for Overtime Elite?

This is another interesting inflection point for the league and another sign of growth. Last season, Year 1, was a proof of concept. It drew compliments for its Atlanta facility and for pulling off a new league. Several of its players landed either on NBA teams or Summer League rosters. Still, as a consumer product, it was mostly a social media league, though a very popular one on Instagram and TikTok. Now it can add a media rights deal to its portfolio, which should not only help from a revenue perspective, but also to help expand its footprint.
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Post#15 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Nov 4, 2022 11:18 pm

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Post#16 » by SunsRback4Good » Fri Nov 4, 2022 11:41 pm

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Suns desperately need to win a ring this year cause when Wimby comes in he’ll dominate like Wilt and Russell. He’ll collect all the accolades a man can desire and win 10+ championships. Only question is will he break Wilts 10k record? :eyebrows:
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Post#17 » by bwgood77 » Sat Nov 5, 2022 5:04 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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Suns desperately need to win a ring this year cause when Wimby comes in he’ll dominate like Wilt and Russell. He’ll collect all the accolades a man can desire and win 10+ championships. Only question is will he break Wilts 10k record? :eyebrows:


The only question is, will the Spurs get him so Pop can have another generational big for the 3rd time or will the Lakers win the lottery and lose that pick in a swap with the Pelicans who could add him to Zion, Ingram, McCollum and Jones?

You couldn't ask for a better C next to Zion. He'd be like the perfect C for Ben Simmons too but of course they can't tank for him because Houston has a pick swap with them. Not sure if it's worth trading stars and tanking for a 10% chance at Scoot.
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Post#19 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:03 pm

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Sounds like a terrific backup development option for our 3rd string off the bench. Here's a brief highlight of his intriguing skillset/ game:
( Keep in mind this is a 7'0 275 lb center with a 7'10 wingspan that has been shooting 49% from three!!


Might be decent Ayton insurance at some point down the line if we ever decide to move on from him. :nod:
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Post#20 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:30 pm

I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention this ultra talented 6'11 wing forward 3/4 with incredible playmaking and versatility in a similar mold skillset wise to Manu Ginobli. His name is Baba Miller:
( Florida state) 6'11 204 lbs with a 7'2 wingspan.

https://nbadraftroom.com/baba-miller/


I could see him as a playmaking connector (3/4) off the bench with superb, size, length and versatility.
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