Trade Value

[eyriq]

The "dollar bill" terminology is something Bill Simmons uses to evaluate the relative value of NBA players. I haven't seen discussion of this recently and I couldn't find the exact definitions so I asked our good friend ChatGPT. I'm curious where our board values our players. Throw this year's picks in the mix as well. So, what say you RealGMs, how valuable are our players?

$2 dollar bill players: These are players who are considered to be the best in the league and are virtually untradeable. They are the elite superstars, franchise players and MVP-level talents.

$1 dollar bill players: These are players who are considered to be All-Stars or near All-Stars and are considered to be among the best players in the league.

Silver Dollar players: These are players who are considered to be very good starters, but not quite at the All-Star level. They are considered to be valuable contributors to a team, but not considered to be primary contributors.

50 cent piece players: These are players who are considered to be solid role players, and they're considered to be valuable contributors to a team, but not considered to be primary contributors.

Quarter players: These are players who are considered to be role players with some limitations, and they are considered to be valuable contributors to a team, but not considered to be primary contributors.

Dime players: These are players who are considered to be role players with clear limitations, and they are considered to be valuable contributors to a team, but not considered to be primary contributors.

Nickel players: These are players who are considered to be replacement-level players, and they are considered to have limited value in trade.

Penny players: These are players who are considered to be end-of-bench players and they are considered to have very limited value in trade.

It's important to remember that this is a way to evaluate the relative value of players within the league, but it's not an exact science, and other factors such as team needs, fit, and future plans should be considered.

[eyriq]

Thinking about picks in the lottery I'd value them like this.

Pick 1: $2 dollar bill
Picks 2-3: $1 dollar bill
Picks 4-7: Silver Dollar
Picks 8-10: 50 cent piece
Picks 11-14: Quarter

[tooler]

Seems pretty obvious. Paolo and Franz are dollar bills. WCJ maybe more like 75 cents.

I can’t be bothered to rate the rest of the team. The only intriguing thing is whether JI turns into a silver dollar somehow.

[eyriq]

Seems pretty obvious. Paolo and Franz are dollar bills. WCJ maybe more like 75 cents.

I can’t be bothered to rate the rest of the team. The only intriguing thing is whether JI turns into a silver dollar somehow.

I'm struggling with Cole and Bamba

[jezzerinho]

Realistically:

$2: N/A
$1: F Wagner
$0.50 P. Banchero, W. Carter Jr.
$0.25 J. Isaac, C. Anthony, M. Fultz
$0.10 J. Suggs, G. Harris, M. Wagner, B. Bol
$0.05 M. Bamba, K. Harris, C. Okeke
$0.01 C. Houston, A. Schofield

[tooler]

Looks like ChatGPT isn't quite right, or Simmons has updated his approach:

http://grantland.com/features/painting-nba-trade-picture/

Silver dollar: All-Stars, inexpensive soon-to-be All-Stars, slightly overpaid All-Stars, or indispensable playoff guys who aren’t quite as desirable as an actual one-dollar bill. In the 2011 trade value column, this group covers everyone from no. 14 (Kevin Love) to no. 27 (Eric Gordon). Let’s also make Chris Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Andrew Bynum,2 James Harden, and Marc Gasol silver dollars; let’s drop Tim Duncan from the group with many regrets and one tiny tear trickling down our cheek; and let’s drop Monta Ellis down to the next group because Golden State is shopping him frantically enough that it makes me nervous.

50-cent piece: Borderline All-Stars, former All-Stars, and up-and-comers, which covers everyone else from no. 28 to no. 49, plus Ellis, Jason Terry (we can’t leave off the captain of the Irrational Confidence All-Stars), Shawn Marion (the LeBron Killer!), Jrue Holliday, Marcin Gortat (don’t laugh), Paul George, Arron Afflalo, Brandon Jennings, and Evan Turner (gulp).

So Paolo and Franz would be either silver dollars (soon to be all-stars) or 50-cents (borderline all-stars or up-and-comers).

According to The Ringer's current rankings, neither Paolo nor Franz are top 50 players yet, so you'd have to make an exception for them, which I think you would.

[eyriq]

Looks like ChatGPT isn't quite right, or Simmons has updated his approach:

http://grantland.com/features/painting-nba-trade-picture/

Silver dollar: All-Stars, inexpensive soon-to-be All-Stars, slightly overpaid All-Stars, or indispensable playoff guys who aren’t quite as desirable as an actual one-dollar bill. In the 2011 trade value column, this group covers everyone from no. 14 (Kevin Love) to no. 27 (Eric Gordon). Let’s also make Chris Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Andrew Bynum,2 James Harden, and Marc Gasol silver dollars; let’s drop Tim Duncan from the group with many regrets and one tiny tear trickling down our cheek; and let’s drop Monta Ellis down to the next group because Golden State is shopping him frantically enough that it makes me nervous.

50-cent piece: Borderline All-Stars, former All-Stars, and up-and-comers, which covers everyone else from no. 28 to no. 49, plus Ellis, Jason Terry (we can’t leave off the captain of the Irrational Confidence All-Stars), Shawn Marion (the LeBron Killer!), Jrue Holliday, Marcin Gortat (don’t laugh), Paul George, Arron Afflalo, Brandon Jennings, and Evan Turner (gulp).

So Paolo and Franz would be either silver dollars (soon to be all-stars) or 50-cents (borderline all-stars or up-and-comers).

According to The Ringer's current rankings, neither Paolo nor Franz are top 50 players yet, so you'd have to make an exception for them, which I think you would.

Nice find! My sleuthing failed me. I don't judge ChatGPT harshly though, it gave a good attempt

[eyriq]

Here is my take, sticking with ChatGPT's interpretation of Bill Simmons because he's our new AI overlord and demands respect.

$2: Paolo Banchero. He was just taken number 1 and I just said I view the #1 pick as untradeable so it would be weird to lower Paolo's value. Also, he has only excelled during his rookie season so no value lost based on performance.

$1: Franz Wagner. We took him 8th so I'd have his initial value as a 50 cent piece but he's played his way up through a tier and into tier 2 for me

Silver Dollar: Our pick this year, for now (we are at 5th best odds)

50 Cent Piece: WCJ. He's a stud and I want to put him higher but he still has more to prove if I'm being honest. Chicago Bulls pick (sitting at #10, could drop down a tier as they are playing better lately)

Quarter: Fultz, Bol, Wagner, Cole, Suggs, and Isaac (With JI it is injury related)

Dime: Bamba, Gary Harris, R.J. Hampton (free RJ)

Nickel: Ross, Okeke, Schofield, Kevon Harris, Caleb Houstan

[VFX]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick in 3-5 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

[The Real Dalic]

Here is my take, sticking with ChatGPT's interpretation of Bill Simmons because he's our new AI overlord and demands respect.

$2: Paolo Banchero. He was just taken number 1 and I just said I view the #1 pick as untradeable so it would be weird to lower Paolo's value. Also, he has only excelled during his rookie season so no value lost based on performance.

$1: Franz Wagner. We took him 8th so I'd have his initial value as a 50 cent piece but he's played his way up through a tier and into tier 2 for me

Silver Dollar: Our pick this year, for now (we are at 5th best odds)

50 Cent Piece: WCJ. He's a stud and I want to put him higher but he still has more to prove if I'm being honest. Chicago Bulls pick (sitting at #10, could drop down a tier as they are playing better lately)

Quarter: Fultz, Bol, Wagner, Cole, Suggs, and Isaac (With JI it is injury related)

Dime: Bamba, Gary Harris, R.J. Hampton (free RJ)

Nickel: Ross, Okeke, Schofield, Kevon Harris, Caleb Houstan

I agree wholeheartedly with this list. There's an argument to be made of moving WCJ up a tier, but he's also fine where he's at.

[NavalAviator94]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick 3-6 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

I’m pretty much this but I’m going to move Franz into the $2 slot. What he’s doing is amazing and he’s durable. Paolo’s not there, yet.

[VFX]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick 3-6 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

I’m pretty much this but I’m going to move Franz into the $2 slot. What he’s doing is amazing and he’s durable. Paolo’s not there, yet.

Only reason I don’t put either of them there YET is because neither are virtually untradable or faces of the league.

[eyriq]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick in 3-5 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

Love this, we have some valuable assets. Consolidation is going to be interesting.

[NavalAviator94]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick 3-6 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

I’m pretty much this but I’m going to move Franz into the $2 slot. What he’s doing is amazing and he’s durable. Paolo’s not there, yet.

Only reason I don’t put either of them there YET is because neither are virtually untradable or faces of the league.

Yeah, I get that. I’m at the untradeable point with Franz. He should have been the number one pick last year.

[dsg2021]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick in 3-5 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

This is mine as well. I want to cheat and make a 60 cent coin for Wendell though.
Let JI and WCJ teach defense to Bol, and Paolo and Franz teach smarter offense to Bol, so that "Bol happens" at $1 next season!

[JoshuaPotter]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick in 3-5 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

This is mine as well. I want to cheat and make a 60 cent coin for Wendell though.
Let JI and WCJ teach defense to Bol, and Paolo and Franz teach smarter offense to Bol, so that "Bol happens" at $1 next season!

At this point, I would settle if Bol became a silver next to Isaac. Bol has the right pieces, just a question on whether or not he gets it together. I think at this point in his life hoping for an Isaac clone (with slightly different intangibles due to body makeup) would be good for us.

[JoshuaPotter]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick in 3-5 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

Gosh you rated Bamba at 10c? No heartburn tonight?

I get it, he is a big guy who can throw his arms in the air and hit the occasional 3. He has a rotational spot in the NBA assured somewhere I think.

I and + 1 this by the way.

Edit: I think at this point Paulo + Franz are $2 for us. Unless someone offers us Tatum or something of that nature. To the league though I think they are firmly $1 as a consensus with a couple seeing them as $2.

[VFX]

$2- none

$1- Franz, Paolo (Wemby or Scoot if landed)

Silver- pick in 3-5 range, Healthy Isaac for an entire season

50c - Wendell, Bol (current value, could slide to 25c)

25c - Fultz, Cole, Suggs, Harris

10c - Bamba, Okeke, Ross, maybe Houstan

5c - everyone else

Gosh you rated Bamba at 10c? No heartburn tonight?

I get it, he is a big guy who can throw his arms in the air and hit the occasional 3. He has a rotational spot in the NBA assured somewhere I think.

I and + 1 this by the way.

Edit: I think at this point Paulo + Franz are $2 for us. Unless someone offers us Tatum or something of that nature. To the league though I think they are firmly $1 as a consensus with a couple seeing them as $2.

Yeah, I just don't think they are 100% untradeable, or some of the best players in the NBA at their positions.

Maybe soon in the future.

I'm not entirely sure how much value backup Centers have regardless of if it is Bamba or not. If he was a better defensive player with IQ he could probably be a starter on a bad team.

[JoshuaPotter]

I'm not entirely sure how much value backup Centers have regardless of if it is Bamba or not. If he was a better defensive player with IQ he could probably be a starter on a bad team.

[Knightro]

I would say both Paolo and Franz are what I like to call practically untouchable.

They're not totally untouchable because you'd give up one or both to get someone like Luka certainly, but the small handful of players you would give one or both of them up for aren't available and are unlikely to ever be available.

So for practical purposes they're untouchable.