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Lots of moving pieces here
Thibs gets his type of guy in Caruso
GS saves $ and gets rotation guys for now, plus a late 1st
Indy saves future cap
Chi keeps their main guys and adds young talent-their ceiling is 1st round exit anyway


NY sends Obi/Reddish to Chi, and the Det pick to Indy
NY gets Caruso/DJJ

Thibs gets upgrades

GS sends Wiseman to Chi
GS gets Drummond/JGreen/Dragic plus 23 Bos pick

GS gets 2 win-now bench vets plus a late 1st and saves A LOT of $ in lux tax this year and next

Indy sends JSmith to Chi and the Bos pick to GS
Indy gets TBradley/Simonovice/Det pick

Indy gets expirings for a guy who is not playing, and moves a late 1st this year (#28-30) for a future 1st that should be higher while keeping the extra Clev pick

Bulls send JGreen/Drummond/Dragic to GS, Caruso/DJJ to Indy and TBradley/Simonovic to Indy
Bulls get Wiseman/Obi/Reddish/JSmith

Bulls get lots of young, athletic pieces for the bench
Ayo/White
Lavine/White/Terry
DDR/Reddish/Terry
PWill/Obi
Vuc/Wiseman/JSmith

The protections on that Pistons pick makes it uninteresting for Pacers

Cut Pacers out, they aren't integral here anyway

Topofthekey wrote:The protections on that Pistons pick makes it uninteresting for Pacers

Cut Pacers out, they aren't integral here anyway

It’s not going to be a great pick, but it pushes it out a year or more into the future to better balance Indy’s pick situations. And if it does transfer, maybe it transfers as an early 20’s, instead of 29 or 30 this year?

I think Indy has interest in this. It makes sense for them.

Actually possible I'd rather gamble on Wiseman potential and sign Demarcus Cousins or Dwight Howard.

Doubt any of the guys the Warriors get in this deal would even crack the current rotation. Pass

I can see Indy doing something to push a pick to a future year as we have too many this year. turning Smith into one year rentals though doesn't interest me.

I'm all for the Bulls getting 4 young guys, maybe 1 or 2 of them find their NBA way quickly in the limited minutes they'd be sharing. I like the idea of moving the veteran bench, if they were looking towards the conference Finals, I'd want those smart veterans for the close half court games.

I don't like that the Bulls move all those players in and out and STILL don't add a helpful upgrade at PG. That's the biggest need whether they're trying to move up a little or a lot. Those new young guys off the bench need somebody as much as the starters.

I think GSW really needs to send out more, maybe to the Bulls like the 23 BOS pick as they get 3 very impressive parts for a playoff run and give up well paid potential that they haven't been able to get on the floor. And Green once healthy counts as a key piece in the face of AC getting injured so often.

I see the benefit for IND to clear out Smith's contract if he's not playing, $5M isn't huge but it expands the list of potential incoming players that little bit and means they don't have to include somebody else on their side.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:The protections on that Pistons pick makes it uninteresting for Pacers

Cut Pacers out, they aren't integral here anyway

It’s not going to be a great pick, but it pushes it out a year or more into the future to better balance Indy’s pick situations. And if it does transfer, maybe it transfers as an early 20’s, instead of 29 or 30 this year?

I think Indy has interest in this. It makes sense for them.

The Det protections could make it a pick in the teens in 25/26, which would be nice for Indy. Det has been bad for a few years and will add a top 5 pick this year to Ivey/Cade/Stewart/Duran/Bey-they won't be at the bottom in 2 or 3 years and should be in the playoffs by then, or at least the playin. They already are getting a 2nd 1st this year from Clev, plus they get more cap space/roster spots this summer.

Wizop wrote:I can see Indy doing something to push a pick to a future year as we have too many this year. turning Smith into one year rentals though doesn't interest me.

I mean, ya gotta give something to get something.

You’re not going to be able to trade the Celtics first for the future Pistons first, even if it’s protected. The Jalen part is the payment to do so.

pipfan wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:The protections on that Pistons pick makes it uninteresting for Pacers

Cut Pacers out, they aren't integral here anyway

It’s not going to be a great pick, but it pushes it out a year or more into the future to better balance Indy’s pick situations. And if it does transfer, maybe it transfers as an early 20’s, instead of 29 or 30 this year?

I think Indy has interest in this. It makes sense for them.

The Det protections could make it a pick in the teens in 25/26, which would be nice for Indy. Det has been bad for a few years and will add a top 5 pick this year to Ivey/Cade/Stewart/Duran/Bey-they won't be at the bottom in 2 or 3 years and should be in the playoffs by then, or at least the playin. They already are getting a 2nd 1st this year from Clev, plus they get more cap space/roster spots this summer.

It's hard to say. I won't be shocked if they're still bottom 10 in 26

Either way, I think the preference should be to try to use the pick to trade up in the draft, instead of punting it for a distant, low upside pick

Topofthekey wrote:

pipfan wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

It’s not going to be a great pick, but it pushes it out a year or more into the future to better balance Indy’s pick situations. And if it does transfer, maybe it transfers as an early 20’s, instead of 29 or 30 this year?

I think Indy has interest in this. It makes sense for them.

The Det protections could make it a pick in the teens in 25/26, which would be nice for Indy. Det has been bad for a few years and will add a top 5 pick this year to Ivey/Cade/Stewart/Duran/Bey-they won't be at the bottom in 2 or 3 years and should be in the playoffs by then, or at least the playin. They already are getting a 2nd 1st this year from Clev, plus they get more cap space/roster spots this summer.

It's hard to say. I won't be shocked if they're still bottom 10 in 26

Either way, I think the preference should be to try to use the pick to trade up in the draft, instead of punting it for a distant, low upside pick

Still have the Cleveland 1st and very possibly the Houston 2nd to move up. At a certain point 4 bunched together is simply too many, especially when you don’t have roster spots for all 4.

But a future pick that could be better than 30 (even if not top 8-10) is still much higher upside than you’re giving up now. That’s be an ideal swap.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:

pipfan wrote:
The Det protections could make it a pick in the teens in 25/26, which would be nice for Indy. Det has been bad for a few years and will add a top 5 pick this year to Ivey/Cade/Stewart/Duran/Bey-they won't be at the bottom in 2 or 3 years and should be in the playoffs by then, or at least the playin. They already are getting a 2nd 1st this year from Clev, plus they get more cap space/roster spots this summer.

It's hard to say. I won't be shocked if they're still bottom 10 in 26

Either way, I think the preference should be to try to use the pick to trade up in the draft, instead of punting it for a distant, low upside pick

Still have the Cleveland 1st and very possibly the Houston 2nd to move up. At a certain point 4 bunched together is simply too many, especially when you don’t have roster spots for all 4.

But a future pick that could be better than 30 (even if not top 8-10) is still much higher upside than you’re giving up now. That’s be an ideal swap.

True, but why not keep their options open?

Pritchard spoke a lot about optionality

I can see them accepting a trade like this on draft night, once all the dominoes have fallen in place

Not much pressure to do this at the deadline, and risk finding out on draft night that they could have made a different deal if they still had the Celtics pick available

Topofthekey wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Topofthekey wrote:It's hard to say. I won't be shocked if they're still bottom 10 in 26

Either way, I think the preference should be to try to use the pick to trade up in the draft, instead of punting it for a distant, low upside pick

Still have the Cleveland 1st and very possibly the Houston 2nd to move up. At a certain point 4 bunched together is simply too many, especially when you don’t have roster spots for all 4.

But a future pick that could be better than 30 (even if not top 8-10) is still much higher upside than you’re giving up now. That’s be an ideal swap.

True, but why not keep their options open?

Pritchard spoke a lot about optionality

I can see them accepting a trade like this on draft night, once all the dominoes have fallen in place

Not much pressure to do this at the deadline, and risk finding out on draft night that they could have made a different deal if they still had the Celtics pick available

Can’t do this option on draft night as some of the players expire.

And you’re not getting to swap the Celtics first for a future Pistons first (yes, even protected as this one is) without providing some additional payment.

I get you don’t like this particular deal, but it’s really good value. I would think that increasing value on picks held provides the most “optionality” for Pritchard. Add in a little extra cap space for the summer, and seems to fit the Optionality kind of thing pretty well.

But also, any deal they could’ve made with the 30th pick they can make with the, say, 24th and 31st pick.

Should be an easy yes for GS aside from the roster spot issue. Would be better with J Green removed (GS already has a similar J Green and would have to waive him to clear the roster spot.

Drummond is an upgrade on current Wiseman, Dragic is guard depth that makes sense (as opposed to guys making over $20M for extra years). Saves a massive amount of money (especially next season). The pick is a bonus but would be a good deal without it.

Some GS fans are WILDLY overrating Wiseman's value.

giberish wrote:Should be an easy yes for GS aside from the roster spot issue. Would be better with J Green removed (GS already has a similar J Green and would have to waive him to clear the roster spot.

Drummond is an upgrade on current Wiseman, Dragic is guard depth that makes sense (as opposed to guys making over $20M for extra years). Saves a massive amount of money (especially next season). The pick is a bonus but would be a good deal without it.

Some GS fans are WILDLY overrating Wiseman's value.

If accepted, it would be crushing for James to know the francise literally gave up him him thinking he's a lost cause.

I'm apathetic to this deal.

giberish wrote:Should be an easy yes for GS aside from the roster spot issue. Would be better with J Green removed (GS already has a similar J Green and would have to waive him to clear the roster spot.

Drummond is an upgrade on current Wiseman, Dragic is guard depth that makes sense (as opposed to guys making over $20M for extra years). Saves a massive amount of money (especially next season). The pick is a bonus but would be a good deal without it.

Some GS fans are WILDLY overrating Wiseman's value.

Got nothing to do with Wiseman and his value. Everything to do with the return. No way Drummond plays for Kerr imo, doubt they find minutes for J Green but am admittedly unfamiliar with his game. Dragic play until Steph gets back and then buried behind Steph, Llay, Poole and Donte.

Fine with dealing Wiseman. Do it for a deal that brings back someone that can gets minutes

NW wrote:

giberish wrote:Should be an easy yes for GS aside from the roster spot issue. Would be better with J Green removed (GS already has a similar J Green and would have to waive him to clear the roster spot.

Drummond is an upgrade on current Wiseman, Dragic is guard depth that makes sense (as opposed to guys making over $20M for extra years). Saves a massive amount of money (especially next season). The pick is a bonus but would be a good deal without it.

Some GS fans are WILDLY overrating Wiseman's value.

Got nothing to do with Wiseman and his value. Everything to do with the return. No way Drummond plays for Kerr imo, doubt they find minutes for J Green but am admittedly unfamiliar with his game. Dragic play until Steph gets back and then buried behind Steph, Llay, Poole and Donte.

Fine with dealing Wiseman. Do it for a deal that brings back someone that can gets minutes

Drummond would play more and better than Wiseman (though likely not very much, only against a few matchups, but that's still an on-court improvement). Dragic would play a bit. Thats' a lot more on-court value than Wiseman - who's only value to GS is luxury tax bills.

giberish wrote:

NW wrote:

giberish wrote:Should be an easy yes for GS aside from the roster spot issue. Would be better with J Green removed (GS already has a similar J Green and would have to waive him to clear the roster spot.

Drummond is an upgrade on current Wiseman, Dragic is guard depth that makes sense (as opposed to guys making over $20M for extra years). Saves a massive amount of money (especially next season). The pick is a bonus but would be a good deal without it.

Some GS fans are WILDLY overrating Wiseman's value.

Got nothing to do with Wiseman and his value. Everything to do with the return. No way Drummond plays for Kerr imo, doubt they find minutes for J Green but am admittedly unfamiliar with his game. Dragic play until Steph gets back and then buried behind Steph, Llay, Poole and Donte.

Fine with dealing Wiseman. Do it for a deal that brings back someone that can gets minutes

Drummond would play more and better than Wiseman (though likely not very much, only against a few matchups, but that's still an on-court improvement). Dragic would play a bit. Thats' a lot more on-court value than Wiseman - who's only value to GS is luxury tax bills.

If your bar is “he’ll play slightly more than a guy who don’t play” that’s a low bar. Dragic isn’t beating the current Dubs backcourt guys.

Deal Wiseman in a deal that gets actual contributing talent or salary dump him.

pipfan wrote:Lots of moving pieces here
Thibs gets his type of guy in Caruso
GS saves $ and gets rotation guys for now, plus a late 1st
Indy saves future cap
Chi keeps their main guys and adds young talent-their ceiling is 1st round exit anyway


NY sends Obi/Reddish to Chi, and the Det pick to Indy
NY gets Caruso/DJJ

Thibs gets upgrades

Too rich for the Knicks. Not a fan.