The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat

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The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#1 » by xb3at band1tx » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:40 pm

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Post#2 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:44 pm

That seems weird. Sure, not far off in terms of team record: only 3 fewer wins, considerably better on offense compared to the injured Heat, but like. No. With a healthy squad, Miami is obviously better. Raps are garbage from 3, garbage at finishing inside the arc, not particularly good at drawing fouls. They hit the O-boards well and were best in the league during the RS about protecting the ball, but that's not good offense. And they have no high-end scorer. Siakam scored 24 ppg but he was a 97 TS+ guy and nearly -49 TSAdd, -1.6% rTS type of stuff. If he becomes a good scorer instead of just a volume scorer, they've surely got something to work with, but actually hitting shots has been a problem for them.
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#3 » by Edrees » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:48 pm

Well The Raptors are clearly superior. The heat are 0-2 in the finals last 4 years, where the raptors have no finals losses in that same span.
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#4 » by Mavrelous » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:49 pm

They are delusional, they have no perimeter scoring and that was with FVV on contract year.
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#5 » by Vampirate » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:51 pm

Please, just do a complete rebuild.
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Post#6 » by TheGeneral99 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:51 pm

Starting line-up is very solid, but bench and shooting is awful.

Masai needs to clean those 2 issues if they want to make some noise in the playoffs.
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Post#7 » by Effigy » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:53 pm

The Heat would never have fired Nick Nurse.
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Post#8 » by binjumper » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:55 pm

Nurse lost the locker room and Michael Grange has no sources. He's been full of **** for while now.
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#9 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:56 pm

It's actually sad that they're going to find a way to waste all the potential and developmental years of Scottie. Give the kid the ball and stack as much shooting around him as possible then wait and build a big 3 that fits. It's not hard.
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Post#10 » by wegotthabeet » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:59 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:Starting line-up is very solid, but bench and shooting is awful.

Masai needs to clean those 2 issues if they want to make some noise in the playoffs.


they need a proper backcourt yesterday. also the front court fit is awkward.
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#12 » by SA37 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:01 pm

I guess it depends on what is meant by "blow up". Does that mean trade Anunoby and Siakam + letting VanVleet leave in FA?

The Raptors had most of their rotation guys healthy this year and finished 41-41. I'm not sure how they improve on that if Trent, Poeltl, and VanVleet leave in FA. Even if VanVleet stays (my understanding is the Raptors have no interest in bringing Trent back), this is a team with a logjam at forward and severely lacking in depth. They have a decision on VanVleet this summer, Siakam next, and Anunoby will be up for a contract after that + Barnes will be eligibile for an extension.

Given that, this sounds like posturing to get teams to improve offers that may have been discussed over the past ~6 months or so.
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Post#13 » by TheGeneral99 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:13 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
TheGeneral99 wrote:Starting line-up is very solid, but bench and shooting is awful.

Masai needs to clean those 2 issues if they want to make some noise in the playoffs.


they need a proper backcourt yesterday. also the front court fit is awkward.


Their starting line-up with Poeltl was one of the best in the league in terms of OFF RTG to DEF RTG while their bench was at the bottom.

Even the play-in game, the starting line-up was pretty solid while the bench produced only 8 points on 3-11 shooting.
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#14 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:13 pm

Vampirate wrote:Please, just do a complete rebuild.
They've been putting it off for so long, i don't get it.
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Post#15 » by Kiss of Death » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:15 pm

Raptors: Every single one of our players is worth 17 unprotected first round picks!
Everyone: But those guys couldn't even make the playoffs....
Raptors: 17 UNPROTECTED FIRST ROUND PICKS!!!!
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#16 » by Duffman100 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:16 pm

So for those that don't follow the Raptors, Grange doesn't know ****.
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#17 » by azcatz11 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:17 pm

They’ve been overrating OG for awhile. He’s a good role player. The posts I’ve seen attributing his value are beyond ridiculous
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Re: The Raptors are reluctant to blow up their roster, see themselves as being on par as the Miami Heat 

Post#18 » by payton2kemp » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:17 pm

tsherkin wrote:That seems weird. Sure, not far off in terms of team record: only 3 fewer wins, considerably better on offense compared to the injured Heat, but like. No. With a healthy squad, Miami is obviously better. Raps are garbage from 3, garbage at finishing inside the arc, not particularly good at drawing fouls. They hit the O-boards well and were best in the league during the RS about protecting the ball, but that's not good offense. And they have no high-end scorer. Siakam scored 24 ppg but he was a 97 TS+ guy and nearly -49 TSAdd, -1.6% rTS type of stuff. If he becomes a good scorer instead of just a volume scorer, they've surely got something to work with, but actually hitting shots has been a problem for them.


Is it really though, Masai loves FVV and made a win now move at the deadline when everyone expected a blowup. This is normal for Masai, he will probalby bring the same team back with a few minor adjustments. The coaching change was his big move.

Why are Raptors fans assuming he blows it up without a lottery pick next year. Makes no sense.
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Post#20 » by Residual-Heat » Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:19 pm

Why are people surprised by this? They just traded a 1st for Poeltl. Its only top 6 protected. They would have to commit to tanking hard and making sure they're one of the worst 3 teams in the league for the next few years.

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