Toronto Raptors Rebuild

[BlackThought]

Trade #1 Toronto/Atlanta/OKC

Toronto Receives: Onyeka Okongwu, Davis Bertans, Patty Mills, AJ Griffin, OKC 2025 1st rd pick

Atlanta Receives: Pascal Siakam, Precious Achiuwa

OKC Receives: Bogdan Bogdonovic

Toronto gets Okongwu as a main piece of rebuild, AJ Griffin and OKC pick will be used later for another trade.

Atlanta gets Siakam to pair with Trae and Murray and fills the backup C position with Precious.

OKC bolsters its bench with another shooter.

Trade #2 Toronto/Detroit

Toronto Receives: Jaden Ivey

Detroit receives: Gradey Dick, AJ Griffin

Toronto gets a lead guard and hopes he takes a Haliburton type leap in the next few years

Detroit gets some better shooting wings that fits better next to Cade and Ausar.

Trade #3 Toronto/GSW/Indiana (This trade needs to wait until Jan 15)

Toronto Receives: Buddy Hield, Jordan Nwora

Golden State receives: Jakob Poeltl

Pacers Receives: Andrew Wiggins

Toronto shreds salary and clears way for Okongwu

Warriors get bigger with Poeltl and saves a few bucks by moving Wiggins. Meanwhile clears minutes for Moody and Kuminga.

Pacers improve their defense with Wiggins. Wiggins's athleticism should be a great fit next to Haliburton.


After these trades Toronto ends up with a core of Okongwu, OG, Barnes, Ivey. They still lack shooting but with Poeltl and Siakam gone it's at least a viable template to add more pieces in the off season.

[Mavrelous]

#1 is good on value, I'm just not sure Bogi is a good target for OKC, I think Siakam to OKC directly makes more sense.
#2, I'd pass for the Pistons, Both Griffin and Dick like player you can find for the MLE/BAE/Room exception, and they exist late lottery, non-lottery in every draft, Ivey still has massive upside.
#3, too good for the Pacers, too little value going to TOR, I think also Wiggins>Poeltl>>Hield, so Warriors are also owed value.

[BlackThought]

#2, I'd pass for the Pistons, Both Griffin and Dick like player you can find for the MLE/BAE/Room exception, and they exist late lottery, non-lottery in every draft, Ivey still has massive upside.

#2 you would pass for the Pistons and frankly I would too. If you've been following them closely, I'm sure you would be as baffled as I am about their treatment of Jaden Ivey. They've benched Ivey for no reason, given minutes to Sassar and Hayes. The coach even came out and said something along the lines of Ivey not the best fit next to Cade.

The Ivey situation just reminds me a lot of the Haliburton in Sac. I don't think the Pistons value him as much as the rest of the league and he likely can be had for below market value.

[Ball4life32]

Don’t see hawks giving that for less than season of Siakam and he’s a bad fit with his lack of shooting with Capela. Also puts JJ who’s breaking out back on the bench. Can’t see hawks interested in Siakam anymore.

[BK_2020]

Who the hell rebuilds around Okongwu? Masai hates being employed that much?

[Scoot McGroot]

Poeltl in GS seems like a terrible fit.

[Mattatron]

Who the hell rebuilds around Okongwu? Masai hates being employed that much?

It's not about rebuilding around Okungwu, it's about collecting players that can grow next to Scottie and his Timeline while trying to find cornerstones for the franchise. Something that lacks in Toronto. Masai is doing a horrible job for 3 years in a row.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Rather move Okongwu somewhere else for a stretch 5. Okongwu does a good job at defendering but gives you zero offense. I wouldn't move AJ and Gradey Dick for Ivey he's never going to turn into a Haliburton type of player. Halli is probably among the top 3 PGs in the league now. Look at his numbers and more importantly his percentages they are video game like

[jowglenn]

Pacers say yes

[kds92]

Way too good for the Pacers. They should be sending the Raptors Nembhard or 1-2 firsts to get Wiggins.

[Johnston]

Id rather just resign both those guys to the max than receive that C list platter of prospects. Then try to trade them for bad contracts and future firsts once the pick to the Spurs conveys. This year's draft looks to be the weakest of the next few years, no chance raps can stay bottom 6 for 3 seasons( which is where the pick would turn into 2nds).

[mademan]

Poeltl in GS seems like a terrible fit.

I think the opposite. Maybe they need Wiggins more (or at least an idealized version of Wiggins), but Poeltl's ability to finish in the paint would be welcome for the Warriors. He'd be an incredible PnR partner for Curry

[babyjax13]

2 & 3 I don't think are horrible on value but are wrong on direction for the other team. Detroit shouldn't water down the talent of their youth, Golden State shouldn't be moving for a drop center. But I like #1 quite a bit. I think it makes sense directionally for both teams and puts Toronto in a good place with pieces that makes sense around Barnes.

[BlackThought]

Id rather just resign both those guys to the max than receive that C list platter of prospects. Then try to trade them for bad contracts and future firsts once the pick to the Spurs conveys. This year's draft looks to be the weakest of the next few years, no chance raps can stay bottom 6 for 3 seasons( which is where the pick would turn into 2nds).

It's only Siakam that's getting moved so it's only one guy. It's an option to re-sign him and to trade him down the road but I don't think the value is that much different. First of all you can't trade him right after you sign him so we're talking about trading Siakam in 2 years at the earliest. At that point are you really getting more than what I just listed especially when you factor in the risk of injury as he ages into his 30s? This is not even considering the fact of wasting the rest of the team's development time.

I think at this point you have to trade him if he's not in your plans.

[Johnston]

Id rather just resign both those guys to the max than receive that C list platter of prospects. Then try to trade them for bad contracts and future firsts once the pick to the Spurs conveys. This year's draft looks to be the weakest of the next few years, no chance raps can stay bottom 6 for 3 seasons( which is where the pick would turn into 2nds).

It's only Siakam that's getting moved so it's only one guy. It's an option to re-sign him and to trade him down the road but I don't think the value is that much different. First of all you can't trade him right after you sign him so we're talking about trading Siakam in 2 years at the earliest. At that point are you really getting more than what I just listed especially when you factor in the risk of injury as he ages into his 30s? This is not even considering the fact of wasting the rest of the team's development time.

I think at this point you have to trade him if he's not in your plans.

If ownership decides it's time to move on from Siakam and the best they can get asset wise is posted above they should be firing Masai and Webster before they make any moves going forward. A C list prospect, 22-30 1st Rd Pick and bad contracts isn't going to cut it.

[Ell Curry]

Poeltl in GS seems like a terrible fit.

I think the opposite. Maybe they need Wiggins more (or at least an idealized version of Wiggins), but Poeltl's ability to finish in the paint would be welcome for the Warriors. He'd be an incredible PnR partner for Curry

Yeah, I think Poeltl would be good there, but I think they'd be looking for another shooting wing too for Payton (since he's not a shooter and Green/Poeltl/Looney playing like 75 minutes combined a game leaves them with little shooting). Like a Kennard or Royce O'Neale type of 10-15M contract to play the 2 or 3:

Poeltl/Looney
Green/Saric
O'Neale/Moody or Kuminga
Klay/Curry
Curry/Paul

[BlackThought]

Id rather just resign both those guys to the max than receive that C list platter of prospects. Then try to trade them for bad contracts and future firsts once the pick to the Spurs conveys. This year's draft looks to be the weakest of the next few years, no chance raps can stay bottom 6 for 3 seasons( which is where the pick would turn into 2nds).

It's only Siakam that's getting moved so it's only one guy. It's an option to re-sign him and to trade him down the road but I don't think the value is that much different. First of all you can't trade him right after you sign him so we're talking about trading Siakam in 2 years at the earliest. At that point are you really getting more than what I just listed especially when you factor in the risk of injury as he ages into his 30s? This is not even considering the fact of wasting the rest of the team's development time.

I think at this point you have to trade him if he's not in your plans.

If ownership decides it's time to move on from Siakam and the best they can get asset wise is posted above they should be firing Masai and Webster before they make any moves going forward. A C list prospect, 22-30 1st Rd Pick and bad contracts isn't going to cut it.

Not really constructive. Let me know if you have an actual counter to my point.

[BlackThought]

Don’t see hawks giving that for less than season of Siakam and he’s a bad fit with his lack of shooting with Capela. Also puts JJ who’s breaking out back on the bench. Can’t see hawks interested in Siakam anymore.

The idea is Siakam will be re-signing with the Hawks. I don't think any team will trade for him unless theres an understanding.

As for Capela I don't think it's too much of a problem. For one Capela ideally should only be playing 20-25 min. You will be closing games with Siakam at the 5 and either Jalen Johnson or Hunter (if he's still there) as your 4. Siakam's 3pt percentage is down but I think he can shoot 35%ish when theres adequate shot creation around him. Teams will still need to go out there to cover him so the spacing won't be that bad especially when you have Trae on the team.

[Xman]

I really like the first two. No opinion on third one.

[Saul Goodman]

Pascal trade



To Indiana

Pascal Siakam


To Toronto
obi Toppin
Ben Mathurin
Andrew Nembhard
Jaden Ivey
2024 Indiana 1st unprotected


To Detroit
Jarace Walker





Ivey/Mathurin/og/Barnes/Poetl

Nembhard/toppin

Is a way way more fun team than now. Ivey and Mathurin have huge upside and fit with Scottie. Resign OG.