Jokic's efficiency drop

[Godymas]

Anyone else notice that Jokic has not been nearly as efficient this season as he has been for the last 3 years?

Last season Jokic was 70% TS, 63% FG and scored 24 ppg on 15 fga (what)

This season Jokic is 9% down in TS at 61% and 10% down in FG at 53%

he's also shooting a low 33% from 3

mind you this all comes with career high FGA attempt and usage which begs the question..is there a limit to Jokic's game? Is he incapable of being just as efficient on more shots?

When Giannis really burst out the shocking thing about him was how efficient he was in such few minutes and the thing was if he played more minutes his game scaled basically linearly with the time he was on the floor.

But with Jokic it feels like his game follows a logarithmic growth function where as he's given more and more focal point and opportunity to be the #1 guy he actually doesn't seem able to do more with it.

It kind of makes you wonder if this is a physical limitation of Jokic as a human being? He's never been the most conditioned athlete in the game, but he gets by off of the highest BBIQ. If Jokic's health takes a turn for the worse from injuries or wear and tear he might have a surprisingly rapid fall off as far as being a first option scorer for Denver.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

His turnovers are way down, so his efficiency hasn't actually dropped from 2021 and 2022. His 2023 season was just an all time great year, he may never repeat it.

[SerialChiller]

Why does this feel like another Embiid thread lol?

[Cubbies2120]

Anyone else notice that Jokic has not been nearly as efficient this season as he has been for the last 3 years?

Last season Jokic was 70% TS, 63% FG and scored 24 ppg on 15 fga (what)

This season Jokic is 9% down in TS at 61% and 10% down in FG at 53%

he's also shooting a low 33% from 3

mind you this all comes with career high FGA attempt and usage which begs the question..is there a limit to Jokic's game? Is he incapable of being just as efficient on more shots?

When Giannis really burst out the shocking thing about him was how efficient he was in such few minutes and the thing was if he played more minutes his game scaled basically linearly with the time he was on the floor.

But with Jokic it feels like his game follows a logarithmic growth function where as he's given more and more focal point and opportunity to be the #1 guy he actually doesn't seem able to do more with it.

It kind of makes you wonder if this is a physical limitation of Jokic as a human being? He's never been the most conditioned athlete in the game, but he gets by off of the highest BBIQ. If Jokic's health takes a turn for the worse from injuries or wear and tear he might have a surprisingly rapid fall off as far as being a first option scorer for Denver.

Let me see...

He took more shots in the playoffs last year (20.7 vs. 19.1 this year)
He was more efficient in the playoffs, vs. superior teams than he's faced in the regular season this year (63% TS vs. 61% this year)
He shot Steph Curry level 3pt % in the playoffs last year (46% from 3) vs. 33% from 3 this year (this despite having a sprained wrist...I know y'all love injury excuses in the playoffs so let me drop that one )

Yeah, I'm gonna chalk this up to a small sample size after a summer spent partying in Serbia.

Bump this thread after the playoffs. If you don't, I will I know the Embiid fans are all about the small sample sizes right now (especially when the sample sizes include Pistons x2 Wizards x2 Hornets Bulls and Hawks ), but let's keep some perspective here.

[Cubbies2120]

If Jokic's health takes a turn for the worse from injuries or wear and tear he might have a surprisingly rapid fall off as far as being a first option scorer for Denver.

"If a guy whose play has never relied on physical condition has an injury, he may rapidly fall off".

Wouldn't this logic be inverted?

I'd say the better take would be "If Jokic took a few hits to the head, slipped on a banana peel and got concussed, his play may fall off"

Logic, not even once.

[Sgt Major]

Fat **** dicstorship supporter

[Jaqua92]

From an effeciency standpoint, playoff defenses are tougher to score against than regular season defenses because of the quality of team, and superior defensive planning.

It's why so many players have a decrease in productivity and effeciency in the post season.

That included Jokic. His effeciency dropped to 64%ts last post season from 70% in the regular season.

His best playoff series last year, as the offensive focal point with increased volume was against KD, Booker and the Suns. He averaged 34/12/13 on great effeciency.

As the #1 focal point, he just averaged 30/12/10 for a championship winning playoff run on 63ts%.

There is no better #1 option in the NBA. This thread is a joke.

[art_tatum]

He's like opposite embiid. Embiid dominating with more usage. Joker eff dropping. Playoffs embiid disappearing, joker dominating.
Opposite body type and personality
And where they are from.... actually Serbia and Philly is the same culturally.

[iggymcfrack]

His turnovers are way down, so his efficiency hasn't actually dropped from 2021 and 2022. His 2023 season was just an all time great year, he may never repeat it.

Even compared to 2023, he has the same PER and a higher BPM. People really don’t realize how much the turnovers are down. 17.0% turnover percentage to 10.8%.

[Bank Shot]

3PAr is up and he's having a down year from three. He's also played a huge chunk of the year with weak offensive help with Murray out, so not too surprising.

[levon]

His turnovers are way down, so his efficiency hasn't actually dropped from 2021 and 2022. His 2023 season was just an all time great year, he may never repeat it.

Even compared to 2023, he has the same PER and a higher BPM. People really don’t realize how much the turnovers are down. 17.0% turnover percentage to 10.8%.

That's a 35% decrease in turnover pct, but when you consider he's taking 30% more shots per 36, it's not that material a difference. Now of course half of those shots are hitting rather than becoming a turnover, but it's not like it represents some kind of next level of passing achieved. It's reflective of a changing shot-pass diet.

[One Last Shot]

Wouldn't care much about it tbh. I think they will defend their title if Jamal Murray remain healthy like last Playoffs. All I want is a healthy playoffs for every stars just for once. I don't want to see another Jokic hater throwing shades that Nuggets only won because the top contenders got injured, that they only won because 3 of the 4 teams they faced in the playoffs comes from Play-in that they basically won 3 first round of playoffs and 1 semifinals series enroute to NBA title.

[TinmanZBoy]

He is a little spent for sure… ebbs and flows of the season

[Uncle Mxy]

Hideous player... will take him off your hands for a 2nd rounder.

[Yoshun]

His PER is actually exactly the same as it was last season. His TS is just about 2% below his career average. His turnovers are down. In all likelihood, he'll get his TS to just about his career average.

[TheGeneral99]

He's still ridiculously efficient, lol.

[MrBigShot]

mind you this all comes with career high FGA attempt and usage which begs the question..is there a limit to Jokic's game? Is he incapable of being just as efficient on more shots?

He put up 30ppg on 63 TS% in the playoffs. 70 TS% is just so absurd that there's no way to remain that efficient taking 19-20+ shots a game.

What you describe is nothing ground breaking. The more shots a player takes, the more difficult it is to maintain the same efficiency. You can only get so many easy baskets each game.

[Sgt Major]

He's like opposite embiid. Embiid dominating with more usage. Joker eff dropping. Playoffs embiid disappearing, joker dominating.
Opposite body type and personality
And where they are from.... actually Serbia and Philly is the same culturally.

Not really. Philly is a town of needle addicts. Serbia is tougher.

[Edrees]

Happens to every top player after multiple deep playoff runs. Fatigue sets in a bit, usually there's a small dip. Maintaining that kind of greatness over long term is really hard/tiring, most of them take a small dip until they get a longer off season (earlier playoff exist)

Wouldn't care much about it tbh. I think they will defend their title if Jamal Murray remain healthy like last Playoffs. All I want is a healthy playoffs for every stars just for once. I don't want to see another Jokic hater throwing shades that Nuggets only won because the top contenders got injured, that they only won because 3 of the 4 teams they faced in the playoffs comes from Play-in that they basically won 3 first round of playoffs and 1 semifinals series enroute to NBA title.

People will throw shade at the champs no matter what because it's 100% likely other teams have injuries. Never existed an nba season with all teams healthy

[eyeatoma]

Ummm Embiid is from Cameroon not Philly lol.

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