Bringing up Murray to LA again

[tbhawksfan1]

It looks like Murray to LAL is DOA as LAL wants Murray but Hawks want Reaves. I don't think that LAL would do it but my offer is

Murray for Reaves / JHS / 29 FRP top 5 prot

Deal? Counter offer?

Edit: forgot to say why teams do it

ATL: get a good return on a good player and add future potential
LAL: Add by far the best player locked up for 4 more years on a good contract. LAL in win now for obvious reasons

[winforlose]

It looks like Murray to LAL is DOA as LAL wants Murray but Hawks want Reaves. I don't think that LAL would do it but my offer is

Murray for Reaves / JHS / 29 FRP top 5 prot

Deal? Counter offer?

Edit: forgot to say why teams do it

ATL: get a good return on a good player and add future potential
LAL: Add by far the best player locked up for 4 more years on a good contract. LAL in win now for obvious reasons

I don’t know all the details of what has already happened, but I expect those protections on that pick to be gone if a deal happens.

[levon]

I think if LAL were to ever do Reaves for Murray, there would be no FRP at all because Reaves would be a stand-in for that value.

[Ball4life32]

I think if LAL were to ever do Reaves for Murray, there would be no FRP at all because Reaves would be a stand-in for that value.

I would not touch that for Atlanta. Don’t even understand the Reaves fit in Atlanta. Hes a bad fit next to Trae defensively.

[levon]

I think if LAL were to ever do Reaves for Murray, there would be no FRP at all because Reaves would be a stand-in for that value.

I would not touch that for Atlanta. Don’t even understand the Reaves fit in Atlanta. Hes a bad fit next to Trae defensively.

So are like 8 of Atlanta's players. Reaves' value is his production on his contract and the years left on it. I think he's easily valued at 1 good FRP leaguewide, and that's the stand-in for the 2029 FRP. Reaves and another first and the 2023 first round selection in JHS, as bad as he's been, is a huge overpay for Murray.

[Ball4life32]

I think if LAL were to ever do Reaves for Murray, there would be no FRP at all because Reaves would be a stand-in for that value.

I would not touch that for Atlanta. Don’t even understand the Reaves fit in Atlanta. Hes a bad fit next to Trae defensively.

So are like 8 of Atlanta's players. Reaves' value is his production on his contract and the years left on it. I think he's easily valued at 1 good FRP leaguewide, and that's the stand-in for the 2029 FRP. Reaves and another first and the 2023 first round selection in JHS, as bad as he's been, is a huge overpay for Murray.

Huh? Reaves in the 1 percentile in defensive epm and hawks have a top 10 offense and bottom 5 defense. I like Reaves but I don’t like the fit and rather just keep Murray.

[zimpy27]

I would not touch that for Atlanta. Don’t even understand the Reaves fit in Atlanta. Hes a bad fit next to Trae defensively.

So are like 8 of Atlanta's players. Reaves' value is his production on his contract and the years left on it. I think he's easily valued at 1 good FRP leaguewide, and that's the stand-in for the 2029 FRP. Reaves and another first and the 2023 first round selection in JHS, as bad as he's been, is a huge overpay for Murray.

Huh? Reaves in the 1 percentile in defensive epm and hawks have a top 10 offense and bottom 5 defense. I like Reaves but I don’t like the fit and rather just keep Murray.

Lakers have said that they won't trade Reaves for Murray. So stands to reason that they value him at his price more than Murray at 2-3 times the cost.

[levon]

I would not touch that for Atlanta. Don’t even understand the Reaves fit in Atlanta. Hes a bad fit next to Trae defensively.

So are like 8 of Atlanta's players. Reaves' value is his production on his contract and the years left on it. I think he's easily valued at 1 good FRP leaguewide, and that's the stand-in for the 2029 FRP. Reaves and another first and the 2023 first round selection in JHS, as bad as he's been, is a huge overpay for Murray.

Huh? Reaves in the 1 percentile in defensive epm and hawks have a top 10 offense and bottom 5 defense. I like Reaves but I don’t like the fit and rather just keep Murray.

None of this post addressed my post or even refuted the bolded. Also, I'm not the one arguing for sending Reaves to Atlanta, Atlanta is.

[Ball4life32]

So are like 8 of Atlanta's players. Reaves' value is his production on his contract and the years left on it. I think he's easily valued at 1 good FRP leaguewide, and that's the stand-in for the 2029 FRP. Reaves and another first and the 2023 first round selection in JHS, as bad as he's been, is a huge overpay for Murray.

Huh? Reaves in the 1 percentile in defensive epm and hawks have a top 10 offense and bottom 5 defense. I like Reaves but I don’t like the fit and rather just keep Murray.

None of this post addressed my post or even refuted the bolded. Also, I'm not the one arguing for sending Reaves to Atlanta, Atlanta is.

Because I’m not explaining how inaccurate your post is if you think basically the hawks whole rotation doesn’t fit with Trae. And pretty sure it’s the lakers calling the hawks about Murray….plus the rumor said hawks would want Reaves+ not just Reaves which in my opinion I don’t even want for Atlanta. That’s fine if you don’t want it for LA either. Murray for Reaves straight up is a bad deal for Atlanta even if Reaves is on a solid contract which I don’t disagree.

[markjay]

It looks like Murray to LAL is DOA as LAL wants Murray but Hawks want Reaves. I don't think that LAL would do it but my offer is

Murray for Reaves / JHS / 29 FRP top 5 prot

Deal? Counter offer?

Edit: forgot to say why teams do it

ATL: get a good return on a good player and add future potential
LAL: Add by far the best player locked up for 4 more years on a good contract. LAL in win now for obvious reasons

So Murray for Reaves is DOA, but to try to revive it you are adding this year's #17 pick and a future FRP? Lakers aren’t remotely interested.

[winforlose]

So are like 8 of Atlanta's players. Reaves' value is his production on his contract and the years left on it. I think he's easily valued at 1 good FRP leaguewide, and that's the stand-in for the 2029 FRP. Reaves and another first and the 2023 first round selection in JHS, as bad as he's been, is a huge overpay for Murray.

Huh? Reaves in the 1 percentile in defensive epm and hawks have a top 10 offense and bottom 5 defense. I like Reaves but I don’t like the fit and rather just keep Murray.

Lakers have said that they won't trade Reaves for Murray. So stands to reason that they value him at his price more than Murray at 2-3 times the cost.

Not necessarily. It could also stand to reason that they want Murray with Reaves to increase the offensive support behind Lebron and AD. Likewise it could be that they really want Dlo off the team, (maybe behind the scenes stuff, lack of defensive effort, ect…,) and they need to use this trade to do that. Another interesting possibility is that the Lakers want to make a second move with Reaves, but only do it if they can get Murray. You cannot assume that the underlying motivation is they value Reaves at his money more than they value DJM at his.

[levon]

Huh? Reaves in the 1 percentile in defensive epm and hawks have a top 10 offense and bottom 5 defense. I like Reaves but I don’t like the fit and rather just keep Murray.

Lakers have said that they won't trade Reaves for Murray. So stands to reason that they value him at his price more than Murray at 2-3 times the cost.

Not necessarily. It could also stand to reason that they want Murray with Reaves to increase the offensive support behind Lebron and AD. Likewise it could be that they really want Dlo off the team, (maybe behind the scenes stuff, lack of defensive effort, ect…,) and they need to use this trade to do that. Another interesting possibility is that the Lakers want to make a second move with Reaves, but only do it if they can get Murray. You cannot assume that the underlying motivation is they value Reaves at his money more than they value DJM at his.

Considering their offensive and defensive production has been similar this year, I'm not so sure that they don't. But I think this has more to do with the Lakers (and the league) valuing a cheap Reaves as an asset way more than an expiring DAngelo.

I think they'd be open to moving Reaves if it gets them DJM and another significant piece. As a one-for-one l, say with JHS and a swap, it potentially also saves their 2029 for the summer in which they could have 3 firsts and tradeable salary for one more moonshot. I think for an on-court benefit this year it doesn't make much sense to swap Reaves for Murray.

[DanishLakerFan]

Huh? Reaves in the 1 percentile in defensive epm and hawks have a top 10 offense and bottom 5 defense. I like Reaves but I don’t like the fit and rather just keep Murray.

Lakers have said that they won't trade Reaves for Murray. So stands to reason that they value him at his price more than Murray at 2-3 times the cost.

Not necessarily. It could also stand to reason that they want Murray with Reaves to increase the offensive support behind Lebron and AD. Likewise it could be that they really want Dlo off the team, (maybe behind the scenes stuff, lack of defensive effort, ect…,) and they need to use this trade to do that. Another interesting possibility is that the Lakers want to make a second move with Reaves, but only do it if they can get Murray. You cannot assume that the underlying motivation is they value Reaves at his money more than they value DJM at his.

As far as the two players i think they probably value Murray higher than Reaves. But AR has shown to be able to stay on the floor in the playoffs and given his contract, continuity with the team, fit with Lebron/AD and general level of play of late they're probably not all that interested in giving up valuable assets to upgrade from AR to Murray. They'd still have a situation with D'Lo who is a FA in the summer. But he's been so good that they may be ok with keeping him around.

That said, Murray to LA is probably DOA. The rumors suggested that the deal stranded with Atlanta not wanting D'Lo, which seems to be a minor problem to solve. I would imagine that IF a deal were to happen, they would do it right after tuesdays games (LA @CHA and Atl @LAC). If it doesn't happen then, i think LAL will chase a replacement for Vando before the deadline instead - possibly DFS.

[dms269]

Lakers have said that they won't trade Reaves for Murray. So stands to reason that they value him at his price more than Murray at 2-3 times the cost.

Not necessarily. It could also stand to reason that they want Murray with Reaves to increase the offensive support behind Lebron and AD. Likewise it could be that they really want Dlo off the team, (maybe behind the scenes stuff, lack of defensive effort, ect…,) and they need to use this trade to do that. Another interesting possibility is that the Lakers want to make a second move with Reaves, but only do it if they can get Murray. You cannot assume that the underlying motivation is they value Reaves at his money more than they value DJM at his.

As far as the two players i think they probably value Murray higher than Reaves. But AR has shown to be able to stay on the floor in the playoffs and given his contract, continuity with the team, fit with Lebron/AD and general level of play of late they're probably not all that interested in giving up valuable assets to upgrade from AR to Murray. They'd still have a situation with D'Lo who is a FA in the summer. But he's been so good that they may be ok with keeping him around.

That said, Murray to LA is probably DOA. The rumors suggested that the deal stranded with Atlanta not wanting D'Lo, which seems to be a minor problem to solve. I would imagine that IF a deal were to happen, they would do it right after tuesdays games (LA @CHA and Atl @LAC). If it doesn't happen then, i think LAL will chase a replacement for Vando before the deadline instead - possibly DFS.

There has been multiple reported "rumors" as to why the deal staled. One does state that the Hawks didn't want D'Lo. Another reports that Atlanta wants Reaves in a deal and the Lakers don't want to give him.

The issue is the Lakers, right now at the deadline, don't have a ton of good, moveable pieces for the Hawks. JHS+29 plus whatever filler player (d'lo) is not enough for the Hawks to move on from Murray.