Is a 4 year/78 million dollar contract enough to keep Malik Monk?

[BoogieTime]

The Kings have Malik Monk's early bird rights which at this point should allow them to sign him for a contract worth 4 years/78 million. Is that enough in what will be the current summer market or will they need to get below cap?

He's the odds on favorite now for 6 man of the year https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/sixth-man/

It was reported the Spurs were eyeing Austin Reaves last year for a deal in the ~21 million range if he wasn't restricted by several sources, which may or may not be accurate.

He's IMO pretty important to what the Kings are doing and is close with Fox.

[BK_2020]

Bruce Brown got 2/45, I would think Monk is worth more. Not sure if 3 extra guaranteed years will be enough incentive for Monk to take a discount on annual pay. He's only 26 and he's played well enough to not sell his prime UFA years for stability.

[Laimbeer]

If he wants more, I'd let him walk. I think it's enough.

[jayjaysee]

I think that’s enough but think more likely is a 3yr56 with a player option. the 2 year deal lets him hit free agency at 28.

[jbk1234]

It's more than I'd pay.

[Hoppy1]

Players need to look at what they have where they are before thinking the grass is greener because of the money.
Will a couple million make a difference if you are excelling where you are?
At $78/4 years - $18M, $19M, $20M, $21M and being happy vs maybe SAS offering $22M annually but not making the playoffs for the next 2 years.
I guess it all depends on his goals. If it is a playoff team looking to pay him, he should consider it.
A team like OKC could bring him in to run the second unit or beside SGA or Williams

[Mavrelous]

Bruce Brown got 2/45, I would think Monk is worth more. Not sure if 3 extra guaranteed years will be enough incentive for Monk to take a discount on annual pay. He's only 26 and he's played well enough to not sell his prime UFA years for stability.

Bruce Brown got overpaid becausr Indy wanted the 2nd year to be an option.
He was looking at MLE money, slightly more if cap space team was willing.
Kings competetion is the Magic, 80/4 should be enough, but Magic may go crazy.

[BK_2020]

Players need to look at what they have where they are before thinking the grass is greener because of the money.
Will a couple million make a difference if you are excelling where you are?
At $78/4 years - $18M, $19M, $20M, $21M and being happy vs maybe SAS offering $22M annually but not making the playoffs for the next 2 years.
I guess it all depends on his goals. If it is a playoff team looking to pay him, he should consider it.
A team like OKC could bring him in to run the second unit or beside SGA or Williams

A couple million is a very large amount of money.

[BoogieTime]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-nba-free-agent-rankings/ According to this list

1.maxey
2.george
3.james
4.siakam
5.anunoby
6.harden
7.derozan
8.harris
9.holiday
10.bridges
11.claxton
12.quickley
13.d'angelo russell
14.monk


So, I got maxey/George/James/siakam/anunoby/harden/holiday/quickley staying with their teams, Bridges who has a lot of turmoil surrounding him, and Monk in fact better options than the rest

[LightTheBeam]

Bruce Brown got 2/45, I would think Monk is worth more. Not sure if 3 extra guaranteed years will be enough incentive for Monk to take a discount on annual pay. He's only 26 and he's played well enough to not sell his prime UFA years for stability.

Bruce Brown got overpaid becausr Indy wanted the 2nd year to be an option.
He was looking at MLE money, slightly more if cap space team was willing.
Kings competetion is the Magic, 80/4 should be enough, but Magic may go crazy.

Malik assists numbers look really good this year, but I wouldn't trust him as a full time point guard. Most of his assists are simple pick and rolls with Sabonis/Mcgee where he just feeds his big.

Magic are strange. They have Suggs who took a nice leap this year, Cole Anthony more of an undersized combo guard, and then invested 2 lotto picks into Black and Jett. They have 4 non traditional point guards already, do they really want to invest 20+ a year into another one?

I get i'm biased and want to keep Monk, but if it were my team Id rather target Dejounte who was absolutely excellent in that role his last year in SA.

[jayjaysee]

I get i'm biased and want to keep Monk, but if it were my team Id rather target Dejounte who was absolutely excellent in that role his last year in SA.

I think every team in the league should prefer DJM over Monk. But Monk is a free agent who you probably can convince to leave Sac by just paying him more than he’s worth or more than Sac can give.. DJM costs probably 2 firsts.

There’s also just the potential of him getting something between the FVV/Brown contracts. Just a bloated two year deal where he makes a big enough percentage of what he would make in the 3-4 year deal that it makes sense for him..

I think Sac’s offer should be enough to keep him. But if Charlotte doesn’t draft a guard, why wouldn’t they call up their former lottery pick and offer him a 2yr bloated deal using their new found cap space? Even if they draft a guard really… unless Mann keeps this up obviously*

[SNPA]

I get i'm biased and want to keep Monk, but if it were my team Id rather target Dejounte who was absolutely excellent in that role his last year in SA.

I think every team in the league should prefer DJM over Monk. But Monk is a free agent who you probably can convince to leave Sac by just paying him more than he’s worth or more than Sac can give.. DJM costs probably 2 firsts.

There’s also just the potential of him getting something between the FVV/Brown contracts. Just a bloated two year deal where he makes a big enough percentage of what he would make in the 3-4 year deal that it makes sense for him..

I think Sac’s offer should be enough to keep him. But if Charlotte doesn’t draft a guard, why wouldn’t they call up their former lottery pick and offer him a 2yr bloated deal using their new found cap space? Even if they draft a guard really… unless Mann keeps this up obviously*

Monk hated Charlotte.

The Fox factor counts here too. He is in the perfect role for him and playing with his best friend. Some team would have to overpay…which could happen.

[Residual-Heat]

Bruce Brown got 2/45, I would think Monk is worth more. Not sure if 3 extra guaranteed years will be enough incentive for Monk to take a discount on annual pay. He's only 26 and he's played well enough to not sell his prime UFA years for stability.

Bruce Brown got overpaid becausr Indy wanted the 2nd year to be an option.
He was looking at MLE money, slightly more if cap space team was willing.
Kings competetion is the Magic, 80/4 should be enough, but Magic may go crazy.

Malik assists numbers look really good this year, but I wouldn't trust him as a full time point guard. Most of his assists are simple pick and rolls with Sabonis/Mcgee where he just feeds his big.

Magic are strange. They have Suggs who took a nice leap this year, Cole Anthony more of an undersized combo guard, and then invested 2 lotto picks into Black and Jett. They have 4 non traditional point guards already, do they really want to invest 20+ a year into another one?

I get i'm biased and want to keep Monk, but if it were my team Id rather target Dejounte who was absolutely excellent in that role his last year in SA.

Suggs is the starting SG. Black is still 20 and not ready to be a starter. Jett is a 20 year old 6'7 G/F. They dont have 4 PGs, but you are correct that they'd have one too many guards if they signed Monk. Cole would need to be moved.

Monk would start with Suggs. Black would be the back up PG and find minutes at other positions. Howard hopefully would be the scorer off the bench. I know Monk isnt a true PG, but with Franz and Paolo playing point-forward, they should be good. Yeah Murray would be nice but there are some character concerns there (atleast from what ive seen from him).

[Skybox]

The key to an ORL pursuit is offering him the keys, imo...he'd have a much bigger role and a chance to basically be the Lead Guard on a young team with a very talented frontcourt but lacking a backcourt ball handler and shooter. IF ORL FO thinks Monk has another gear (I'm not so sure-he may be at his ceiling in his current role, which is really good), then I think the angle is the starring role and the ball in his hands. The money would be appropriate for the role...$20+ per year. ORL has so much cap space that they'd likely offer as front-loaded as possible descending deal (since their cap space will be getting tighter in a couple of years as Franz, Suggs, Paolo get their large extensions).

On the other hand, ORL's forwards have the ball in their hands a LOT and that won't change. Monk wouldn't be asked to be a traditional, every possession PG (which he isn't), but he'd have the ball a lot and would have a ton of open perimeter shots to feast on. ORL already generates what seems like a lot of open 3's - they just don't reliably convert them. As bad as their team 3pt shooting % is...I think they're possibly even worse shooters - due to what appear to be really exceptional opportunities. At worst, Monk would average 18ppg just chilling on the perimeter hitting spot ups...but I'd expect he's got more in his bag to show.

If ORL wanted to get frisky, they could do a Bruce Brown/FVV special and overpay on a shorter term deal, say $30, 28, and then a team option for a third year around $25 or so. They've got the cap to burn for a couple of years and Monk could be a really good fit.

[Knicks365247]

4/78 aint enough and Id love to see him on the Magic in a bigger world. Disney Word man. Awesome.

[OGSactownballer]

I get i'm biased and want to keep Monk, but if it were my team Id rather target Dejounte who was absolutely excellent in that role his last year in SA.

I think every team in the league should prefer DJM over Monk. But Monk is a free agent who you probably can convince to leave Sac by just paying him more than he’s worth or more than Sac can give.. DJM costs probably 2 firsts.

There’s also just the potential of him getting something between the FVV/Brown contracts. Just a bloated two year deal where he makes a big enough percentage of what he would make in the 3-4 year deal that it makes sense for him..

I think Sac’s offer should be enough to keep him. But if Charlotte doesn’t draft a guard, why wouldn’t they call up their former lottery pick and offer him a 2yr bloated deal using their new found cap space? Even if they draft a guard really… unless Mann keeps this up obviously*

Monk hated Charlotte.

The Fox factor counts here too. He is in the perfect role for him and playing with his best friend. Some team would have to overpay…which could happen.

I would be careful not to underrate the player being happy, fit right and loved where he is at.

Look at Naz Reid last year who I could easily see starting for most teams at PF (I really wanted him over the Barnes re sign for the Kings). He stated clearly that he is happy in Minny and he took exactly the same type of deal to stay.

Most of the options that have been brought up thus far are not situations where Monk would thrive the way he has in Sac and I feel that the ones (like Orl where he would be in a heavy competition with a pack of young guys for minutes) that are possibles would have to give a huge long term overpay to get him to even consider it.

[OGSactownballer]

The key to an ORL pursuit is offering him the keys, imo...he'd have a much bigger role and a chance to basically be the Lead Guard on a young team with a very talented frontcourt but lacking a backcourt ball handler and shooter. IF ORL FO thinks Monk has another gear (I'm not so sure-he may be at his ceiling in his current role, which is really good), then I think the angle is the starring role and the ball in his hands. The money would be appropriate for the role...$20+ per year. ORL has so much cap space that they'd likely offer as front-loaded as possible descending deal (since their cap space will be getting tighter in a couple of years as Franz, Suggs, Paolo get their large extensions).

On the other hand, ORL's forwards have the ball in their hands a LOT and that won't change. Monk wouldn't be asked to be a traditional, every possession PG (which he isn't), but he'd have the ball a lot and would have a ton of open perimeter shots to feast on. ORL already generates what seems like a lot of open 3's - they just don't reliably convert them. As bad as their team 3pt shooting % is...I think they're possibly even worse shooters - due to what appear to be really exceptional opportunities. At worst, Monk would average 18ppg just chilling on the perimeter hitting spot ups...but I'd expect he's got more in his bag to show.

If ORL wanted to get frisky, they could do a Bruce Brown/FVV special and overpay on a shorter term deal, say $30, 28, and then a team option for a third year around $25 or so. They've got the cap to burn for a couple of years and Monk could be a really good fit.

If this breakdown is the reasoning then there is no chance he goes to Orl.

Spot up in the perimeter and wait for a big to kick it out is NOT his best game at all. He thrives with the ball in his hands and is very ball dominant. Even when he shares the floor with Fox and do as he is the guy running the point almost all the time. He also needs to have the ball in his hand to create his own and his big’s offense through dribble drive almost always.

That set up in Orl will not be good for his game. It will make him look like a very bad contract.

But we could let Orl sign him then get him back in a cheap trade at the deadline and paid what we want to pay him.

[shrink]

I don’t think four years for $78 mil will be enough for several reasons.

1. Monk just turned 26. He is heading into his prime, and should be looking for a shorter deal.

2. He could start for several teams, and on a different team, that next deal may be more lucrative.

3. This long deal has $1 mil raises, that won’t even keep up with rate of NBA inflation when the new TV deal hits.

4. With so many teams locking up players in pre-agency, Monk is quickly rising to the top of the “Likely” free agent list. Yes, guys like Siakim, LeBron, etc are technically free agents, but maybe the best FA right now who is “likely” to change teams is DeMar DeRozan. The younger Monk isn’t far from that value, and he could be a top five available free agent.

5. With an appealing age, he could be sought heavily by the younger teams who have the cap space (DET, HOU, SAS, CHA etc) and newer CBA rules require them to spend that cap space in the off-season to get above the payroll floor. Monk is also skilled enough to draw interest from win-now teams, like PHI or IND, so I think he will draw several competing bids.

If I was Monk’s agent, I would definitely encourage him to see what’s out there in free agency, and I would advise him to avoid four year deals unless it was an overpay. He is in the right spot at the right time, and I think he should gamble on himself now and for his next deal.

[LightTheBeam]

Bruce Brown got overpaid becausr Indy wanted the 2nd year to be an option.
He was looking at MLE money, slightly more if cap space team was willing.
Kings competetion is the Magic, 80/4 should be enough, but Magic may go crazy.

Malik assists numbers look really good this year, but I wouldn't trust him as a full time point guard. Most of his assists are simple pick and rolls with Sabonis/Mcgee where he just feeds his big.

Magic are strange. They have Suggs who took a nice leap this year, Cole Anthony more of an undersized combo guard, and then invested 2 lotto picks into Black and Jett. They have 4 non traditional point guards already, do they really want to invest 20+ a year into another one?

I get i'm biased and want to keep Monk, but if it were my team Id rather target Dejounte who was absolutely excellent in that role his last year in SA.

Suggs is the starting SG. Black is still 20 and not ready to be a starter. Jett is a 20 year old 6'7 G/F. They dont have 4 PGs, but you are correct that they'd have one too many guards if they signed Monk. Cole would need to be moved.

Monk would start with Suggs. Black would be the back up PG and find minutes at other positions. Howard hopefully would be the scorer off the bench. I know Monk isnt a true PG, but with Franz and Paolo playing point-forward, they should be good. Yeah Murray would be nice but there are some character concerns there (atleast from what ive seen from him).

I wasn't saying they had 4pgs. If anything I was saying the opposite, you guys have a bunch of combo guards, and no real pg. Sure you could have Monk, Suggs, Paolo, Wagner and hope that's the playmaking. Just what I've read from some Magic fans is they felt if they had a real playmaker it would set a new height for that team. Monk isn't that guy. Like I said, most of his assists come off simple pnr with our bigs. He can break down a defense and kick out, but thats really sloppy and often leads to turnovers when he takes on that role for more than a few plays a game.

[BoogieTime]

Malik assists numbers look really good this year, but I wouldn't trust him as a full time point guard. Most of his assists are simple pick and rolls with Sabonis/Mcgee where he just feeds his big.

Magic are strange. They have Suggs who took a nice leap this year, Cole Anthony more of an undersized combo guard, and then invested 2 lotto picks into Black and Jett. They have 4 non traditional point guards already, do they really want to invest 20+ a year into another one?

I get i'm biased and want to keep Monk, but if it were my team Id rather target Dejounte who was absolutely excellent in that role his last year in SA.

Suggs is the starting SG. Black is still 20 and not ready to be a starter. Jett is a 20 year old 6'7 G/F. They dont have 4 PGs, but you are correct that they'd have one too many guards if they signed Monk. Cole would need to be moved.

Monk would start with Suggs. Black would be the back up PG and find minutes at other positions. Howard hopefully would be the scorer off the bench. I know Monk isnt a true PG, but with Franz and Paolo playing point-forward, they should be good. Yeah Murray would be nice but there are some character concerns there (atleast from what ive seen from him).

I wasn't saying they had 4pgs. If anything I was saying the opposite, you guys have a bunch of combo guards, and no real pg. Sure you could have Monk, Suggs, Paolo, Wagner and hope that's the playmaking. Just what I've read from some Magic fans is they felt if they had a real playmaker it would set a new height for that team. Monk isn't that guy. Like I said, most of his assists come off simple pnr with our bigs. He can break down a defense and kick out, but thats really sloppy and often leads to turnovers when he takes on that role for more than a few plays a game.

I'd think with Paolo/Franz the opposite. They wouldnt need a guard monopolizing the ball, they'd need someone to play off their young stars. The playmaking would come from their improvement, a lot of it?

Sure if they could get a top tier guard, but paying assets instead of a free Monk?