Goal: Trade Markkanen to SAC

[bpcox05]

Since March 1st (when Keon Ellis began to receive regular minutes), the Kings are 4th in DEFRtg. Keep in mind that this occurred with Harrison Barnes at PF. This makes me wonder if we can get away with someone who’s not a great/elite defender at PF.

If that’s the case, Markkanen seems like a terrific fit on offense as he can be that 2nd option behind Fox (pushing Sabonis into that preferred 3rd option role) while also not being ball dominant (allowing Sabonis to fill that preferred facilitator role). He’s also not only a good C&S shooter but also a great movement shooter which allows the Kings to continue utilizing a lot of that DHO action with Sabonis. Lastly, considering Markkanen isn’t ball dominant, I think it still allows room for Murray to grow offensively and become another good go-to scoring option for the Kings.

Defensively, I’d imagine he’s not worse than Barnes especially since he has much more size, is a much better rebounder, and is a better rim protector.

So with that in mind, what’s a trade that would make sense for both parties? I’d prefer to keep Fox, Monk (FA anyways), Ellis, Murray, and Sabonis out of trade discussions so that leaves the following players/picks to work with (assuming the Kings make the playoffs this year thus unlocking all of their future 1sts for trade again):

Harrison Barnes
Kevin Huerter
Trey Lyles
Sasha Vezenkov
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Colby Jones
2025 SAC 1st
2026 SAC 1st
2027 SAC 1st
2028 SAC 1st
2029 SAC 1st
2030 SAC 1st
2031 SAC 1st
2024 SAC 2nd
2025 POR 2nd
2025 SAC 2nd
2026 SAC 2nd
2027 SAC 2nd
2028 SAC 2nd
2029 SAC 2nd
2031 SAC 2nd

[NYG]

Barnes, '25 1st, '27 1st and '29 1st all unprotected probably gets it done?

[Godaddycurse]

Barnes, '25 1st, '27 1st and '29 1st all unprotected probably gets it done?

Philly would offer more than that

[bpcox05]

Barnes, '25 1st, '27 1st and '29 1st all unprotected probably gets it done?

Philly would offer more than that

What would they offer?

[Godaddycurse]

Barnes, '25 1st, '27 1st and '29 1st all unprotected probably gets it done?

Philly would offer more than that

What would they offer?

i think they can trade up to 5 1sts at the draft

[bpcox05]

Philly would offer more than that

What would they offer?

i think they can trade up to 5 1sts at the draft

But do you think they would offer that?

[NYG]

Philly can offer...

2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

[AingesBurner]

Since March 1st (when Keon Ellis began to receive regular minutes), the Kings are 4th in DEFRtg. Keep in mind that this occurred with Harrison Barnes at PF. This makes me wonder if we can get away with someone who’s not a great/elite defender at PF.

If that’s the case, Markkanen seems like a terrific fit on offense as he can be that 2nd option behind Fox (pushing Sabonis into that preferred 3rd option role) while also not being ball dominant (allowing Sabonis to fill that preferred facilitator role). He’s also not only a good C&S shooter but also a great movement shooter which allows the Kings to continue utilizing a lot of that DHO action with Sabonis. Lastly, considering Markkanen isn’t ball dominant, I think it still allows room for Murray to grow offensively and become another good go-to scoring option for the Kings.

Defensively, I’d imagine he’s not worse than Barnes especially since he has much more size, is a much better rebounder, and is a better rim protector.

So with that in mind, what’s a trade that would make sense for both parties? I’d prefer to keep Fox, Monk (FA anyways), Ellis, Murray, and Sabonis out of trade discussions so that leaves the following players/picks to work with (assuming the Kings make the playoffs this year thus unlocking all of their future 1sts for trade again):

Harrison Barnes
Kevin Huerter
Trey Lyles
Sasha Vezenkov
Davion Mitchell
Chris Duarte
Colby Jones
2025 SAC 1st
2026 SAC 1st
2027 SAC 1st
2028 SAC 1st
2029 SAC 1st
2030 SAC 1st
2031 SAC 1st
2024 SAC 2nd
2025 POR 2nd
2025 SAC 2nd
2026 SAC 2nd
2027 SAC 2nd
2028 SAC 2nd
2029 SAC 2nd
2031 SAC 2nd

That’s a nothing burger, Murray needs to be in the deal.

[bkohler]

Philly can offer...

2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

If that offer is made and I'm Utah, I'm all over it.

[Godaddycurse]

What would they offer?

i think they can trade up to 5 1sts at the draft

But do you think they would offer that?

if they get a wink wink agreement with a FA contingent on adding Lauri (cough george cough) then ya (similar to Kawhi-PG to LAC)

[babyjax13]

His cost is however we value him after being renegotiated and extended, which is to say, far more than what his value is as an expiring. Realistically, I donr think Lauri can or will be traded until the 2025 offseason.

In terms of what would get it done? Filler and 4 1sts would be my ask, but I'd hope to get better picks than what would likely convey after Sacramento created that three headed monster.

[Astaluego]

Huerter+Murray+ would know them and I think they should do it ..anyway.. keep Barnes and solidify Duarte +FRP+D.Mitchell for Alex Caruso..

Fox/AC/Barnes/Lauri/Sabonis+
Monk/Ellis/Colby/Vezenkov/Lyles

[Ell Curry]

I could see Murray and Barnes for Markkanen and then Huerter, Vezenkov and an army of picks for Mikal Bridges. Go all in with a Fox-Monk-Bridges-Markannen-Sabonis 5 and you try to scrape together a bench around Keon Ellis and Lyles with some meh 7 footer and a wing shaped human being who can hit a 3 and play some D, perhaps a 4th Holliday brother or finding a guy who's been in Europe. Maybe even grab one of those guys at #44, there is some center depth this year so maybe a passable 7 footer falls there.

[Wolveswin]

Philly can offer...

2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Can they offer 2031 on draft day? No one has been able to confirm when 2031 becomes available. Draft day or new league year.

[Scoot McGroot]

Philly can offer...

2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Can they offer 2031 on draft day? No one has been able to confirm when 2031 becomes available. Draft day or new league year.

As soon as the last pick in the first round is made this summer, the “7 drafts out rule” would allow for 2031. At that point, the 2024 1st is in the past, so 2031 would be within 7 drafts.

[Wolveswin]

Philly can offer...

2024 76ers First Round Draft Pick
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2028 Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick (conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Can they offer 2031 on draft day? No one has been able to confirm when 2031 becomes available. Draft day or new league year.

As soon as the last pick in the first round is made this summer, the “7 drafts out rule” would allow for 2031. At that point, the 2024 1st is in the past, so 2031 would be within 7 drafts.

Little different than what Google says.

Teams can trade first-round picks seven years out. So most teams can trade a 2031 first-round pick after June 27, the date of this year's NBA Draft.

So, still begs same question. 76ers can’t include 31 AND 24. It would need to be rights to 2024 player (who 76ers drafted and other NBA team had no part selecting) and 2031 couldn’t be added until after draft.

Which officially weakens 76ers picks package even more. Officially becomes trade after draft (or no 2031):
2024 Rights to who 76ers selected at #17
2026 Lowest of Rockets/Clippers/Thunder First Round Draft Pick
2026 Swap: see above and add 76ers 1st swap potential if 2025 76ers 1st conveys.
2028 Swap: Earlier of Clippers/76ers First Round Draft Pick (but extinguished if 25 or 27 owed 1sts don’t convey in those years)
2029 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick with Clippers swap rights protected 1-3 (conveys 2 years after 2027 1st goes to Brooklyn)
2030 Swap (but extinguished if 25 or 27 owed 1sts don’t convey in those years)
2031 Unprotected 76ers First Round Draft Pick
(conveys only if 2029 1st conveys 2 years prior otherwise becomes 2031 76ers 2nd Round Draft Pick)

With that 2031 having no carry over available and 2x chances of never conveying to team receiving (if something happens to either 25 or 27 owed). Really weakens that 2031 owed.

76ers if bidding on a star, really need to unprotect those 25 and 27 already owed to free up better draft capital.

[Scoot McGroot]

Can they offer 2031 on draft day? No one has been able to confirm when 2031 becomes available. Draft day or new league year.

As soon as the last pick in the first round is made this summer, the “7 drafts out rule” would allow for 2031. At that point, the 2024 1st is in the past, so 2031 would be within 7 drafts.

Little different than what Google says.

Teams can trade first-round picks seven years out. So most teams can trade a 2031 first-round pick after June 27, the date of this year's NBA Draft.

So, still begs same question. 76ers can’t include 31 AND 24. It would need to be rights to 2024 player (who 76ers drafted and other NBA team had no part selecting) and 2031 couldn’t be added until after draft.

Well, who or what on google is saying that? There’s a lot of places that aren’t specific. Even then, I don’t see that quote differing from my reading of the rule as they only differ in a matter of hours from mine.

The specificity of the nba is that it matters when the first round is completed, which is why trades are usually announced from the dais in the second round during draft night.

The other team could absolutely have a part in selecting the 24 1st. No issue with sending that pick and the 2031 1st together. It’s not like the sign and trade complications where you can’t even negotiate with a player until weeks later. The teams are free to negotiate the picks before hand. They just can’t complete a trade involving the 2031 1st until after the draft (or after the first round is complete). Which doesn’t cause any issue with discussing the 2024 1st.

[jayjaysee]

Can they offer 2031 on draft day? No one has been able to confirm when 2031 becomes available. Draft day or new league year.

As soon as the last pick in the first round is made this summer, the “7 drafts out rule” would allow for 2031. At that point, the 2024 1st is in the past, so 2031 would be within 7 drafts.

Little different than what Google says.

Teams can trade first-round picks seven years out. So most teams can trade a 2031 first-round pick after June 27, the date of this year's NBA Draft.

So, still begs same question. 76ers can’t include 31 AND 24. It would need to be rights to 2024 player (who 76ers drafted and other NBA team had no part selecting) and 2031 couldn’t be added until after draft.

I cant think of an example of the 7 year rule in this way, but Dallas had Sac pick OMax and then waited until the start of next season for the trade to be official. Due to the OKC part and due to Stepien rule..

I assume there’s 100’s of examples of Team X selecting for Team Y and the deal being made official at the start of the next season. Whether to circumvent the stepien rule or to get the following years cap space involved.. If the league allows that, there’s no reason they’d stop the other leg

[Wolveswin]

As soon as the last pick in the first round is made this summer, the “7 drafts out rule” would allow for 2031. At that point, the 2024 1st is in the past, so 2031 would be within 7 drafts.

Little different than what Google says.

Teams can trade first-round picks seven years out. So most teams can trade a 2031 first-round pick after June 27, the date of this year's NBA Draft.

So, still begs same question. 76ers can’t include 31 AND 24. It would need to be rights to 2024 player (who 76ers drafted and other NBA team had no part selecting) and 2031 couldn’t be added until after draft.

I cant think of an example of the 7 year rule in this way, but Dallas had Sac pick OMax and then waited until the start of next season for the trade to be official. Due to the OKC part and due to Stepien rule..

I assume there’s 100’s of examples of Team X selecting for Team Y and the deal being made official at the start of the next season. Whether to circumvent the stepien rule or to get the following years cap space involved.. If the league allows that, there’s no reason they’d stop the other leg

Sure maybe that is how that works. During draft not official but somehow legally team can be part of 76ers drafting #17 who they want.

[bpcox05]

His cost is however we value him after being renegotiated and extended, which is to say, far more than what his value is as an expiring. Realistically, I donr think Lauri can or will be traded until the 2025 offseason.

In terms of what would get it done? Filler and 4 1sts would be my ask, but I'd hope to get better picks than what would likely convey after Sacramento created that three headed monster.

Yeah if he is renegotiated and extends with UTA, that would make things difficult on the Kings regarding offering an attractive trade package. At that point, we’re probably having to surrender all of our future 1sts.