The Process is dead and was a massive disaster
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The Process is dead and was a massive disaster
Regardless of what happens in the offseason, I think we can now say The Process is over. This long chapter of Sixers history that started in the summer of 2013 is most likely closed. With the benefit of hindsight, I think we can say that it turned out to be a disaster. Everything that could've been mismanaged was mismanaged and there were so many headscratchers along the way, it almost seems like a bad movie.
The starting point was when Philly went 34-48 in 2012-13 season. Because the East was bad as always, they were actually only 4 games out of the playoffs, but that team wasn't going anywhere. Doug Collins was sent into retirement, and the team started trading away what talent they had, starting a rebuild.
That summer, they traded Jrue Holiday for Nerlens Noel, who was just picked 6th in that year's draft, as well as a future 1st round pick. More on that later. At trade deadline, Evan Turner was essentially traded for a second round pick. Thad Young would last that whole season, but would be shipped off for a first round pick the summer of 2014, mostly to help LeBron get Kevin Love, it would seem.
That summer of 2013 started off a 6-year period where the Sixers had one of the greatest hauls of first round picks seen in the league. Here's how that broke down:
2013: 11th
2014: 3rd, 10th
2015: 3rd
2016: 1st, 24th, 26th
2017: 1st
2018: 10th, 26th
This is not including that they essentially got the 6th pick in the 2013 draft. It boggles the mind that all they got out all these is Embiid. Even then, you have to ask yourself how much of that was luck. Had Minny or Milwaukee had the sense to take Embiid over Wiggins or Parker, this might have been even worse.
Look at all those picks! MCW was Rookie of the Year, but the Sixers gave up on him 6 months after. Hard to blame them looking back, but they did get a FRP for him. MCW is out of the league now. Nerlens Noel is also out of the league, though that's a recent thing. I could've sworn he was gone once that Dallas thing didn't work out.
Embiid is obviously Embiid, but they were also picking 10th that year. They took Elfrid Payton and then immediately dealt him for Dario Šarić. Šarić is at least still in the league and he was part of the package they sent for Jimmy, but we all know how that turned out.
In 2015, they took Okafor at 3, and the nicest thing I can say about him is that on a couple of occasions during his career, he looked like might be an actual NBA player. Not a good NBA player, but someone who can hang around. We know how this turned out, as well.
In 2016, they took Simmons first and then Luwawu-Cabarrot and Korkmaz with the late round picks. One is out of the league but I was surprised to see Korkmaz is still on the Sixers. I can't recall if I've seen him in the 3 games I've watched of the Knicks series. I'm really not sure how to describe the Simmons pick and what happened. It feels like one of the strangest things to happen in the NBA. There's really no other situation I can think of that you could compare it to. I have serious questions about him ever playing in the NBA once this contract is done.
In 2017, they had the 3rd pick and traded up to get 1st and then took Fultz. Obviously a massive bust, though I suppose you may blame some of this on injuries. At least Philly got back their pick they used to take Maxey when they sent him to Orlando.
In 2018, they had the 10th pick(from the MCW trade), and their own 26th. They took Mikal Bridges, who is looking like a pretty decent player right now, but they immediately traded him for Zhaire Smith. Smith lasted exactly 13 games in the league. Horrible. They took Shamet 26th and they did eventually trade him for Tobias Harris. Then again, I don't know if it's a good thing when the player you got back is mostly known for the "Tobias Harris over me?" soundbyte.
I won't even get into the bad trades and the Hardens and Butlers and everything that went down. I've also purposely not talked about the players they could've drafted over the ones they did. Hindsight is 20/20. I just figure that on average, they really did horribly with the picks they had. We're talking a period of 2013-2018 and it's now 5 years later and all they've got to show for it is Embiid. Never mind whether they should've snagged another star, but how much would even a rotation player have meant to them in this series? I also bring this up because the value of a FRP is at an all-time high right now. This is 8 picks in the top 11 over 6 years. Two number one picks and two number 3 picks. I mean, if that's not best-case-scenario for all tanking teams, I don't know what is?
TL/DR: Was this the biggest multi-season drafting screw up in the recent history of the league?
The starting point was when Philly went 34-48 in 2012-13 season. Because the East was bad as always, they were actually only 4 games out of the playoffs, but that team wasn't going anywhere. Doug Collins was sent into retirement, and the team started trading away what talent they had, starting a rebuild.
That summer, they traded Jrue Holiday for Nerlens Noel, who was just picked 6th in that year's draft, as well as a future 1st round pick. More on that later. At trade deadline, Evan Turner was essentially traded for a second round pick. Thad Young would last that whole season, but would be shipped off for a first round pick the summer of 2014, mostly to help LeBron get Kevin Love, it would seem.
That summer of 2013 started off a 6-year period where the Sixers had one of the greatest hauls of first round picks seen in the league. Here's how that broke down:
2013: 11th
2014: 3rd, 10th
2015: 3rd
2016: 1st, 24th, 26th
2017: 1st
2018: 10th, 26th
This is not including that they essentially got the 6th pick in the 2013 draft. It boggles the mind that all they got out all these is Embiid. Even then, you have to ask yourself how much of that was luck. Had Minny or Milwaukee had the sense to take Embiid over Wiggins or Parker, this might have been even worse.
Look at all those picks! MCW was Rookie of the Year, but the Sixers gave up on him 6 months after. Hard to blame them looking back, but they did get a FRP for him. MCW is out of the league now. Nerlens Noel is also out of the league, though that's a recent thing. I could've sworn he was gone once that Dallas thing didn't work out.
Embiid is obviously Embiid, but they were also picking 10th that year. They took Elfrid Payton and then immediately dealt him for Dario Šarić. Šarić is at least still in the league and he was part of the package they sent for Jimmy, but we all know how that turned out.
In 2015, they took Okafor at 3, and the nicest thing I can say about him is that on a couple of occasions during his career, he looked like might be an actual NBA player. Not a good NBA player, but someone who can hang around. We know how this turned out, as well.
In 2016, they took Simmons first and then Luwawu-Cabarrot and Korkmaz with the late round picks. One is out of the league but I was surprised to see Korkmaz is still on the Sixers. I can't recall if I've seen him in the 3 games I've watched of the Knicks series. I'm really not sure how to describe the Simmons pick and what happened. It feels like one of the strangest things to happen in the NBA. There's really no other situation I can think of that you could compare it to. I have serious questions about him ever playing in the NBA once this contract is done.
In 2017, they had the 3rd pick and traded up to get 1st and then took Fultz. Obviously a massive bust, though I suppose you may blame some of this on injuries. At least Philly got back their pick they used to take Maxey when they sent him to Orlando.
In 2018, they had the 10th pick(from the MCW trade), and their own 26th. They took Mikal Bridges, who is looking like a pretty decent player right now, but they immediately traded him for Zhaire Smith. Smith lasted exactly 13 games in the league. Horrible. They took Shamet 26th and they did eventually trade him for Tobias Harris. Then again, I don't know if it's a good thing when the player you got back is mostly known for the "Tobias Harris over me?" soundbyte.
I won't even get into the bad trades and the Hardens and Butlers and everything that went down. I've also purposely not talked about the players they could've drafted over the ones they did. Hindsight is 20/20. I just figure that on average, they really did horribly with the picks they had. We're talking a period of 2013-2018 and it's now 5 years later and all they've got to show for it is Embiid. Never mind whether they should've snagged another star, but how much would even a rotation player have meant to them in this series? I also bring this up because the value of a FRP is at an all-time high right now. This is 8 picks in the top 11 over 6 years. Two number one picks and two number 3 picks. I mean, if that's not best-case-scenario for all tanking teams, I don't know what is?
TL/DR: Was this the biggest multi-season drafting screw up in the recent history of the league?
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The Process ended in 2016
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relax. the 76ers are fine. they'll be relevant and their fans will support. They got Embiid, just put a few complementary pieces and theyre competing for the top 4 seeds in the east every year (injuries aside)
Psychotic. It didn’t make sense. I don’t know how you make it make sense
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If sixers can land PG13 to be their 3rd option, they'll be favourites to win it... oh wait, Embiid plays on that team lol.
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Joel Embiid is a dirty player.
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The Process ended when Hinkie was taken away
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How do you screw up two #1 overall picks, in a row.
What's funny is they could have drafted Brown then Tatum.
What's funny is they could have drafted Brown then Tatum.

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Philadelphia is slowly becoming a Knicks town
They gotta do something drastic
They gotta do something drastic
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eloquent eulogy you delivered good sir
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They never getting past the second round with Embiid
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It ended when they let Jimmy Butler walk and kept Tobias. But perhaps it can be revived if Morey pulls a rabbit's foot out of his keister this summer. I remain skeptical.
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Replacing Hinkie with a disastrous GM was the disaster
That said easy solution send Embiid to Golden State so he can make one last run before he becomes unplayable and Sixers restart with some great young prospects and picks
That said easy solution send Embiid to Golden State so he can make one last run before he becomes unplayable and Sixers restart with some great young prospects and picks

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Sixers could have had Embiid + Tatum + Brown. That's probably a dynasty or at least a couple of chips I would think? Even though none of have won as it stands it just seems all 3 together would be too much. Then again with Embiid's health who knows.
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PG13 isn't going to save the process. Dude is just trying to get his last big bag before he retires to his preferred pastime as a Podcaster.
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The process itself was not a massive disaster.
When Hinkie was sacked, they had the following assets: the #1 pick (Simmons)
Joel Embiid
Jerami Grant
Robert Covington
TJ McConnell
Lakers first
Sac pick swap (eventually became #1 in 2017)
War chest of their future firsts
Colangelo bungled it so hard. Taking Fultz was one thing, but they then inexplicably passed on Mikal Brdiges for Zhaire Smith who nearly died, then they panicked and sold their assets for Jimmy and Tobias Harris, came as close as it gets to beating Toronto in 2019, and then picked Tobias and Horford over Butler…
Just an inexplicable bungling of assets.
When Hinkie resigned, what the front office did from that point on is a 10th percentile outcome for the picks and assets they had.
When Hinkie was sacked, they had the following assets: the #1 pick (Simmons)
Joel Embiid
Jerami Grant
Robert Covington
TJ McConnell
Lakers first
Sac pick swap (eventually became #1 in 2017)
War chest of their future firsts
Colangelo bungled it so hard. Taking Fultz was one thing, but they then inexplicably passed on Mikal Brdiges for Zhaire Smith who nearly died, then they panicked and sold their assets for Jimmy and Tobias Harris, came as close as it gets to beating Toronto in 2019, and then picked Tobias and Horford over Butler…
Just an inexplicable bungling of assets.
When Hinkie resigned, what the front office did from that point on is a 10th percentile outcome for the picks and assets they had.
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SomeBunghole wrote:TL/DR: Was this the biggest multi-season drafting screw up in the recent history of the league?
Detroit. Philly at least got Embiid.
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Chicago Bulls draft picks
1999 - 1
2000 - 4 and 7
2001 - 2 and 4
2002 - 2
2003 - 7
2004 - 3 and 7
2006 - 2
2007 - 9
2008 - 1
All of that for 1 conference finals appearance and 4 playoff series wins since Jordan.
Getting the 7th pick in the 2003 draft really hurt. If I remember correctly the Bulls were trying to trade up to draft Dwayne Wade. Kirk Hinrich wasn’t bad but he wasn’t Wade, Lebron, Melo, or Bosh level.
The injuries to Jay Williams and Rose didn’t help. Brand and Curry were traded for other picks. Chandler played terrible against Shaq in 2006 so we traded Chandler and signed Ben Wallace.
Tyrus Thomas over Aldridge was another mistake.
1999 - 1
2000 - 4 and 7
2001 - 2 and 4
2002 - 2
2003 - 7
2004 - 3 and 7
2006 - 2
2007 - 9
2008 - 1
All of that for 1 conference finals appearance and 4 playoff series wins since Jordan.
Getting the 7th pick in the 2003 draft really hurt. If I remember correctly the Bulls were trying to trade up to draft Dwayne Wade. Kirk Hinrich wasn’t bad but he wasn’t Wade, Lebron, Melo, or Bosh level.
The injuries to Jay Williams and Rose didn’t help. Brand and Curry were traded for other picks. Chandler played terrible against Shaq in 2006 so we traded Chandler and signed Ben Wallace.
Tyrus Thomas over Aldridge was another mistake.
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zimpy27 wrote:The Process ended when Hinkie was taken away
Yeah we'll never truly know how the conclusion would have been if hinkie got to see things through
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The Process ended when Sam Hinkie was kicked out by the league for doing the quiet part out loud.
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In defense to Philly, they sabotaged themselves from the top down once Hinkie was pushed out.