Randle's Future

Moose · Post #1 » by **Moose** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:01 pm

Randle is in the last year of his deal. He will be entering age 30 this season and then 31 next season.

Is there a trade the Knicks should consider making before the season involving Randle? Or should the Knicks keep him for this season?

A trade deadline deal may be unlikely, but also possible.

And then what about the future...

Extend him now? Randle is eligible to sign an extension with the Knicks on Aug. 3, when the team could offer him a contract as large as $190.2 million over four years. That means this would be for season ages will be 31, 32, 33, 34.

And if the Knicks decide to wait and Randle plays well, along with the team, making it to the Eastern Conference Finals or NBA Finals, would you try to re-sign him?

(Obviously if he's trash or the fit isn't there, you move on)

Randle could be eligible for a five-year deal worth more than $300 million in free agency.

Things to consider:

1. What current trade options are out there where the Knicks could get something in return that will continue pushing the team toward a title?

2. CBA/Second apron issues heading into next offseason?

P.s. the poll is until Aug 3. You can change your vote since offseason moved may dictate a change of mind.

Post #2 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:17 pm

I think Randle is a more important part of our team than most people give him credit for. Extending him is tricky, but if he's willing to take a team friendly deal, maybe even a declining money deal, I'd be open to that.

Got to extend Brunson first though.

thebuzzardman · Post #3 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:24 pm

Other. Give it this season, then possible re-sign or possible trade. Or just keep him. Have to see how team looks

robillionaire · Post #4 » by **robillionaire** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:26 pm

Obviously you keep your franchise cornerstone. Gotta hand it to Leon, he did a great job building a team around Randle. He saw his talent when he took the job and goes out and get the perfect coach to unlock most improved player all star all nba talent, Tom Thibodeau. A match made in heaven. After he dragged us to the 4 seed Leon thought wow we really have something here, but how can we build a perfect team around this guy? first we need a real PG and add shooting. Well the first attempt failed with Kemba with a Walker and the corpse of Fournier. But he goes out and gets a real PG and perfect fit with Randle in Jalen Brunson. Then we need shooters. Let’s go out and get Donte. But wait, we still need to add some defensive wings around this core. Let’s get RJ tf out of here and bring in Josh hart OG Anunoby and Mikal Bridges. Now he is surrounded with weapons. As he is backing down and battering rams the opposing defense next year he will have a lot of options to defer to. Thank you Leon

FrozenEnvelope · Post #5 » by **FrozenEnvelope** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:34 pm

Keep him unless you can upgrade his spot which is very unlikely.

Post #6 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:54 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Other. Give it this season, then possible re-sign or possible trade. Or just keep him. Have to see how team looks

Yea, let’s see how this team looks first. This team can really use Randle’s interior presence and everything else he brings. Hypothetically everything can fit together perfectly…..or maybe not. I would see how it plays out before making a decision.

KnicksGadfly · Post #7 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:58 pm

He is important to the team. He’s been here 5 years now? Accumulated enough numbers that if he rises to the occasion, he might get his numbers risen to the rafters. That’s his potential here.

Now here comes the hard part for me. He’s been here 5 years. It should not take that much time for Randle to make this argument a no brainer. It took Jalen Brunson, for example, 1.5 seasons, maybe 2, to take hold of the franchise spot. We’ve gotten ups and downs over and over again.

With Randle, people are making this argument that, wow this guy started playing defense with OG and he totally fit in. My question is, did we really need to wait for OG to come before he locked in? 5 years. He doesn’t need to be the best defender but I think if he gave the effort Brunson gave, he’d be solid because he doesn’t have Brunson’s size limitations.

The playoff stuff I get. Shat is hard, he needs help. He’s kinda injury prone now, but fine…a bit out of his control. But the effort stuff, it’s very hard to shake that.

Anyway, the Knicks are probably going to keep him, so the best thing we can do is hope he does well and hope we do see his number raised to the rafters one day.

Iron Mantis · Post #8 » by **Iron Mantis** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:02 pm

Randle, Mitch, end of bench salary filler for KD.

Sell thy soul to get Brunson a ring next season.

3toheadmelo · Post #9 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:06 pm

Knicks not including Randle in the trade for Mikal pretty much shows they believe in him being Brunson's running mate. So expect him to be here for another year at the very least.

Also the guy wants to bring a chip here more than anyone on this team. Knick for life.

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NYKnickerbocker · Post #10 » by **NYKnickerbocker** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:07 pm

Keep him, every single trade I’ve seen mentioned on sports shows or even here seems like we'll never get the proper value for Julius. I also feel like he really found his proper place and pace once we got Og

CharlesOakley · Post #11 » by **CharlesOakley** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:11 pm

If Randle can give consistent effort on defense he is a keeper. When OG joined the team I saw an uptick in Randle's effort so I'm optimistic. If he reverts to walk-back-on-D Randle making pouty faces then he can kick rocks. I hope he doesn't go into contract year mode and try to get his numbers regardless of what is best for the team. I really wanted to see him have a good playoffs once before we give him the bag.

nykballa2k4 · Post #12 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:19 pm

Moose wrote:Randle is in the last year of his deal. He will be entering age 30 this season and then 31 next season.

Is there a trade the Knicks should consider making before the season involving Randle? Or should the Knicks keep him for this season?

A trade deadline deal may be unlikely, but also possible.

And then what about the future...

Extend him now? Randle is eligible to sign an extension with the Knicks on Aug. 3, when the team could offer him a contract as large as $190.2 million over four years. That means this would be for season ages will be 31, 32, 33, 34.

And if the Knicks decide to wait and Randle plays well, along with the team, making it to the Eastern Conference Finals or NBA Finals, would you try to re-sign him?

(Obviously if he's trash or the fit isn't there, you move on)

Randle could be eligible for a five-year deal worth more than $300 million in free agency.

Things to consider:

1. What current trade options are out there where the Knicks could get something in return that will continue pushing the team toward a title?

2. CBA/Second apron issues heading into next offseason?

P.s. the poll is until Aug 3. You can change your vote since offseason moved may dictate a change of mind.

thebuzzardman wrote:Other. Give it this season, then possible re-sign or possible trade. Or just keep him. Have to see how team looks

Basically this, but to expand:
Right now Julius is coming off of a substantial injury. In terms of re-sale only a desperate team would trade for him near full price.
Also, if we extend him based on what we think he will look like healthy -- we are taking on a potential franchise crippling risk.
If Randle wants to extend on a team-friendly deal, we could go that route, but I don't think he wants to see himself be the 4th or 5th highest salary on the books in 2 years.
Best thing for everyone is for him to play it out this year, re-sign at a fair rate (despite some of the money already handed out, I think salaries are going to start to plateau as reality of the cap sets in). Something like 160/4 years flat with trade kicker. If after two seasons, we need to make a move, we can think about splitting up the Nova-Knicks or move one of Randle/OG (at that time OG 2 years/100M about, Randle 3 years 120 about).

Of course, if Randle comes out, averages 28/12/6 with efficient shooting numbers and Knicks fall short in the playoffs/finals due to a Brunson injury -- then we are kind of screwed. I will file that under "good problem" though as too many things would have to go right for Randle to be worthy of a prohibitive max contract from another team.

spree8 · Post #13 » by **spree8** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:20 pm

Extend him and Jalen now. This is the team we’ve been waiting forever for…

Jalen Bluntson · Post #14 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:22 pm

I don't care about anything other than this season right now. Get back healthy and play the way he played in January.

Really looking forward to next season with everyone back on the court. We have depth and chemistry and continuity with a contender level team. I can't really believe Rose and company erased two decades of garbage and got us here in just a couple of season. Good times are just beginning and the vibes are IMMACULATE!!!

NYKinMIA · Post #15 » by **NYKinMIA** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:26 pm

how crazy is it that we can actually discuss trading away an all-star?

man, have turns tabled with this franchise faster than anyone thought possible.

sol537 · Post #16 » by **sol537** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:50 pm

We’re gonna give Randle at least one full season with this squad. I think we’ll be very, very good. ECF and perhaps a finals berth in our first full year with this squad. I think Randle will play nicely with this group. Real nice.

newyorker4ever · Post #17 » by **newyorker4ever** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:01 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote:I think Randle is a more important part of our team than most people give him credit for. Extending him is tricky, but if he's willing to take a team friendly deal, maybe even a declining money deal, I'd be open to that.

Got to extend Brunson first though.

Yeah i'm not known as being the biggest Randle supporter for sure but i support him with this team and i love his fit with this team we have right now. He can stretch the floor, he can get buckets around the basket and he will absolutely bang and get rebounds and Thibs loves his rebounding especially offensive as he should.

If we could figure out a way in trading Randle to get IHart back without trading MRob while also bringing in a legit PF to replace Randle then i'm for it. I know we wouldn't be able to get anyone that does all of what Randle does but if we could get someone like a Randle light and much cheaper then i'm all for it. This would be hard to do. Was really liking the idea of trading for Deni Avdija but he's gone to i think Portland now. We could go older and get a N.Batum or someone like him but he can't play many minutes.

Post #18 » by **Capn'O** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:01 pm

I mean, if a great opportunity arises sure. Otherwise keep.

What's clear is we're going to be operating in the 2nd apron soon between his and Brunson's extensions.

newyorker4ever · Post #19 » by **newyorker4ever** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:10 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:If Randle can give consistent effort on defense he is a keeper. When OG joined the team I saw an uptick in Randle's effort so I'm optimistic. If he reverts to walk-back-on-D Randle making pouty faces then he can kick rocks. I hope he doesn't go into contract year mode and try to get his numbers regardless of what is best for the team. I really wanted to see him have a good playoffs once before we give him the bag.

The highlighted part is actually the biggest part of this thing working with Randle. He absolutely needs to buy in and not be jacking up too many shots a game especially when it's not his night and he's hitting at a low percentage point. He'll still have his big nights scoring but him, OG, Mikal and even Divo will need to go with whoever's hitting that night and let that guy or guys eat that night and become the guy helping them instead of taking the ball away from them.

SelbyCobra · Post #20 » by **SelbyCobra** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:13 pm

I move on from Randle if a trade that can help the team in any way arises - even if the player is "less" than Randle, a la acquiring Bridges for fit instead of shoehorning an established star. I fully agree with those that point out the upside of him having All-NBA production alongside the talent and winning that has been assembled by Leon. He's proven that he can do that for sure. I just don't fully trust him as a cornerstone based on what I've seen from Julius in his time here from the standpoint of consistency, efficiency, availability, and most importantly reliability.

The man has given us some great highs as a Knick - he has put in the work. But he's also shown some terrifying lows. When the going gets tough I still have major questions about if he can keep his cool, hit the free throws, stay committed to the team concept, not sink the ship, etc.

Unlike Randle himself, I trust this FO based on what they've shown, so if they so re-up then I'm riding with it...but his next contract is going to be pretty significant and in this moment I'm personally dubious about getting locked into that level of commitment with the Julius I've seen in the 5 years he's been in NY.

What would you do with Randle?