Completing the Cavs

Saul Goodman · Post #1 » by **Saul Goodman** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:55 pm

Trade 1

To New Orleans
Jarrett Allen
Caris Levert

To Cleveland
Brandon Ingram

This would serve to both give them a wing scorer they need and to unlock Evan Mobley as a potential all star big man anchor

Allen adds to the defensive identity of the Pelicans. LeVert is a good stopgap

Trade 2:

To Utah
Isaac Okoro Sign and Trade

To Cleveland

John Collins

This gives Cleveland even more offense. Okoro wouldnt fit with Ingram. Utah gets another young piece

Mobley/Collins/Ingram/Mitchell/Garland

Trading Garland now would be tough as there just aren't that many destinations for him around the league. The better idea is to see what Kenny Atkinson can do to maxmize him enough to fit with Mitchell.

tidho · Post #2 » by **tidho** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:07 pm

Trade 1 has been talked about a lot.

For Trade 2, what's Utah's motivation, and why wouldn't Okoro fit with Ingram?

Post #3 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:54 pm

Some variation of Ingram for Allen + filler has been done 100 times and the Cavs just have zero interest in handing him $200M over 4 years.

Collins doesn't have positive trade value. The Jazz don't want to pay to dump him. If they want Okoro, they can just tender an offer the Cavs won't match.

This is Mobley's last year on a rookie contract and it's a brave new world with the 2nd Apron. The Cavs aren't going to put themselves in tax purgatory for Ingram and Collins.

SkyHook · Post #4 » by **SkyHook** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:22 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Some variation of Ingram for Allen + filler has been done 100 times and the Cavs just have zero interest in handing him $200M over 4 years.

Collins doesn't have positive trade value. The Jazz don't want to pay to dump him. If they want Okoro, they can just tender an offer the Cavs won't match.

This is Mobley's last year on a rookie contract and it's a brave new world with the 2nd Apron. The Cavs aren't going to put themselves in tax purgatory for Ingram and Collins.

Agreed on all counts. What do you think the breaking point is for the Cavs on an Okoro offer sheet?

mcfly1204 · Post #5 » by **mcfly1204** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:26 pm

SkyHook wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Some variation of Ingram for Allen + filler has been done 100 times and the Cavs just have zero interest in handing him $200M over 4 years.

Collins doesn't have positive trade value. The Jazz don't want to pay to dump him. If they want Okoro, they can just tender an offer the Cavs won't match.

This is Mobley's last year on a rookie contract and it's a brave new world with the 2nd Apron. The Cavs aren't going to put themselves in tax purgatory for Ingram and Collins.

Agreed on all counts. What do you think the breaking point is for the Cavs on an Okoro offer sheet?

Anything north of $15 million a season, but I also feel like I could be very wrong in either direction.

Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:30 pm

SkyHook wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Some variation of Ingram for Allen + filler has been done 100 times and the Cavs just have zero interest in handing him $200M over 4 years.

Collins doesn't have positive trade value. The Jazz don't want to pay to dump him. If they want Okoro, they can just tender an offer the Cavs won't match.

This is Mobley's last year on a rookie contract and it's a brave new world with the 2nd Apron. The Cavs aren't going to put themselves in tax purgatory for Ingram and Collins.

Agreed on all counts. What do you think the breaking point is for the Cavs on an Okoro offer sheet?

North of the MLE, but he's running out of teams who have the cap space to offer it absent a S&T. I think the situation with Lauri is the domino that needs to fall. Lauri's either traded or he gets his contract renegotiated with the existing cap space.

bgrep14 · Post #7 » by **bgrep14** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:34 pm

Would have to send Lavert and Niang to Utah for Collins then Okoro, Jerome, and Allen to Pelicans for Ingram for salary purposes

Cavs: Allen, Lavert, Niang, Jerome, and Okoro
Cavs: Collins, Missi, and Ingram

Utah: Collins
Utah: Lavert and Niang

Pelicans: Ingram and Missi
Pelicans: Okoro, Jerome, and Allen

mcfly1204 · Post #8 » by **mcfly1204** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:36 pm

bgrep14 wrote:Would have to send Lavert and Niang to Utah for Collins and Okoro, Jerome, and Allen to Pelicans for Ingram for salary purposes

Which makes it a hard no from Cleveland all around

bgrep14 · Post #9 » by **bgrep14** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:42 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
bgrep14 wrote:Would have to send Lavert and Niang to Utah for Collins and Okoro, Jerome, and Allen to Pelicans for Ingram for salary purposes

Which makes it a hard no from Cleveland all around

The buck stops at Niang and Jerome for you huh?

mcfly1204 · Post #10 » by **mcfly1204** » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:56 pm

bgrep14 wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:
bgrep14 wrote:Would have to send Lavert and Niang to Utah for Collins and Okoro, Jerome, and Allen to Pelicans for Ingram for salary purposes

Which makes it a hard no from Cleveland all around

The buck stops at Niang and Jerome for you huh?

Who just gives away a minivan??

toooskies · Post #11 » by **toooskies** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:16 am

I'd consider LeVert + Niang for Collins, as I believe Collins is overpaid by approximately one Niang and I consider LeVert's expiring to be neutral. Collins should be able to play with either Mobley or Allen.

Would Utah do that? Possibly, if they want to free up some cap next year.

bgrep14 · Post #12 » by **bgrep14** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:32 am

Niang, Wade, Lavert for Collins, Kessler, Lofton would be cool.

louc1970 · Post #13 » by **louc1970** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:29 am

I don’t like the idea of giving away Allen. I prefer him as the center over Mobley.

I stay with the idea of Mobley to NOP for Jones and Murphy.

I love the idea of Garland/Mitchell/Murphy/Jones/Allen.

ferk · Post #14 » by **ferk** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:57 am

I'd love for the grizz to find a way to get Okoro. I think it would take a 3rd team .

louc1970 · Post #15 » by **louc1970** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:02 am

ferk wrote:I'd love for the grizz to find a way to get Okoro. I think it would take a 3rd team .

I like Okoro as well. What would you be willing to pay him?

toooskies · Post #16 » by **toooskies** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:16 pm

ferk wrote:I'd love for the grizz to find a way to get Okoro. I think it would take a 3rd team .

Okoro to MEM, Niang to Utah or Detroit. But what are the Cavs getting? Smart? Aldama + Kennard?

Post #17 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:04 pm

toooskies wrote:
ferk wrote:I'd love for the grizz to find a way to get Okoro. I think it would take a 3rd team .

Okoro to MEM, Niang to Utah or Detroit. But what are the Cavs getting? Smart? Aldama + Kennard?

Detroit could just swoop in and sign Okoro for a little over the MLE. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.

toooskies · Post #18 » by **toooskies** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:14 pm

theBigLip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
ferk wrote:I'd love for the grizz to find a way to get Okoro. I think it would take a 3rd team .

Okoro to MEM, Niang to Utah or Detroit. But what are the Cavs getting? Smart? Aldama + Kennard?

Detroit could just swoop in and sign Okoro for a little over the MLE. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.

It hasn't happened because the Cavs would match that pretty quickly.

Post #19 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:28 pm

toooskies wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
toooskies wrote:Okoro to MEM, Niang to Utah or Detroit. But what are the Cavs getting? Smart? Aldama + Kennard?

Detroit could just swoop in and sign Okoro for a little over the MLE. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.

It hasn't happened because the Cavs would match that pretty quickly.

From a HoopsRumor article:

The Cavaliers aren’t expected to balk at matching an offer in the $12-13MM range, but anything higher than that would put them well over the luxury tax line and potentially even over the first tax apron, so it wouldn’t be a no-brainer.

So I wonder how high Pistons would have to go?

toooskies · Post #20 » by **toooskies** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:49 pm

theBigLip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
Detroit could just swoop in and sign Okoro for a little over the MLE. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.

It hasn't happened because the Cavs would match that pretty quickly.

From a HoopsRumor article:
The Cavaliers aren’t expected to balk at matching an offer in the $12-13MM range, but anything higher than that would put them well over the luxury tax line and potentially even over the first tax apron, so it wouldn’t be a no-brainer.

So I wonder how high Pistons would have to go?

Are they going to dump salary to Utah to sign him? They killed their chance at making a bigger offer when they claimed Paul Reed off waivers.

I don't think the degree of being in the tax matters much to the Cavs, and the QO already puts them in the tax.

But the number where the Cavs definitely won't match is going to be in the range where dumping Niang and backfilling with a minimum salary doesn't get them out of the tax.