How many players in the rotation?

[IAmKrazy2]

Realistically, how many players need and deserve minutes regularly in the rotation if we started playing today?

Options:
1 - Cade - lock
2 Harris - lock
3 - Duren - lock
4 - Beef Stew - lock
5 - Simone - lock
6 - Ivey - lock
7 - Beasley - lock
8 THJ - lock
9 - Aussar - Lock?
10 - Holland - lock?
11 - Reed?
12 - Sasser?

12 possible guys in the rotation? Can't happen on a functional team IMO. Still no "real" big?

If I had to take the current team as is, I would stagger Cade Harris Ivey and THJ as much as possible, with Simone, Grimes, Stew, Durren, Beasley, and Ausar. 9 guys. Holland first guy in w/ injury. Would keep the rest on the bench for at least a small sample to re*eval.

My Starting 5 today:
Cade
THJ
SIMONE
HARRIS
DUREN

Keep Beef in w/ Ausar and/or Ivey to provide a little shooting from your center to help them work.

Keep Beasley in with Ausar as much as possible where B's shooting will help A, and A's driving/defense will help Beas.

Thoughts?

[Pharaoh]

Realistically, how many players need and deserve minutes regularly in the rotation if we started playing today?

Options:
1 - Cade - lock
2 Harris - lock
3 - Duren - lock
4 - Beef Stew - lock
5 - Simone - lock
6 - Ivey - lock
7 - Beasley - lock
8 THJ - lock
9 - Aussar - Lock?
10 - Holland - lock?
11 - Reed?
12 - Sasser?

12 possible guys in the rotation? Can't happen on a functional team IMO. Still no "real" big?

If I had to take the current team as is, I would stagger Cade Harris Ivey and THJ as much as possible, with Simone, Grimes, Stew, Durren, Beasley, and Ausar. 9 guys. Holland first guy in w/ injury. Would keep the rest on the bench for at least a small sample to re*eval.

My Starting 5 today:
Cade
THJ
SIMONE
HARRIS
DUREN

Keep Beef in w/ Ausar and/or Ivey to provide a little shooting from your center to help them work.

Keep Beasley in with Ausar as much as possible where B's shooting will help A, and A's driving/defense will help Beas.

Thoughts?

No way we play 12 guys every night.

Rotation is heavily dependent on match ups IMO and it should be.

PG - Cade and Ivey get staggered enough do that we have one of them on the floor at all times. JB has alluded to it already.

Which means Sasser likely up against Ivey, THJ, Beasley, Holland and Moore to get minutes at SG.

Even assuming Moore can't crack the rotation and we take the long term approach with Holland how many minutes are available for Sasser at the 2 spot?

At SF we could play Harris, Fontecchio, Ausar, Holland, THJ, Moore and possibly Cade here IF we want to open up more minutes for Ivey at PG.

Again assume Moore can't crack the rotation & we're taking the long term approach with Holland...not a lot of minutes available at the 3.

At the 4 we have Harris, Fontecchio, Ausar, Stewart and maybe even Reed here. Lots of different options possible depending in match ups.

Despite not having a 7 footer we still have Duren, Stewart and Reed at the 5.

Think the easiest way to work out the rotation is to break it down by minutes played cause there's only 240 available:

Cade 30 - Ivey 18
Ivey 12 - THJ 20 - Beasley 16
Ausar 26 - Fontecchio 22
Harris 30 - Fontecchio 8 - Stewart 10
Duren 28 - Stewart 20

That's 9 guys.

Sasser vs Beasley for minutes

Reed vs Duren & Stewart for minutes

Holland vs THJ, Beasley, Ausar & Tek for minutes

It's a better problem than we used to have.

Don't discount what Moore might bring in practice each day on the defensive end. From memory he was highly thought of on that end.

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[TPA]

I think a nine or ten-player rotation is optimal. With the current roster, I'd go something like:

PG Cade (32)/Ivey (16)
SG THJ (20)/Ivey (12)/(Sasser or Holland) (16)
SF Fontecchio (28)/Ausar (20)
PF Harris (28)/Stewart (10)/Reed (10)
C Duren (30)/Stewart (18)

I suppose that leaves Beasley and potentially Sasser/Holland off the list (for now). Ivey is the 6th man, subbing first at PG or SG. I'd love to see guys like Holland, Sasser, Ausar, and even Ivey TAKE minutes away from the likes of THJ and Beasley (ESPECIALLY Thompson and Holland). I'm sure the aforementioned will get their minutes at the beginning of the season, however, if there is solid development from the youngsters, the team will be performing better than expected (and we have some good fodder to make moves at the trade deadline). Throw in the fact that players are always injured, most of the guys on our roster are going to get some good stretches of PT throughout the season.

[mattao313]

I think a nine or ten-player rotation is optimal. With the current roster, I'd go something like:

PG Cade (32)/Ivey (16)
SG THJ (20)/Ivey (12)/(Sasser or Holland) (16)
SF Fontecchio (28)/Ausar (20)
PF Harris (28)/Stewart (10)/Reed (10)
C Duren (30)/Stewart (18)

I suppose that leaves Beasley and potentially Sasser/Holland off the list (for now). Ivey is the 6th man, subbing first at PG or SG. I'd love to see guys like Holland, Sasser, Ausar, and even Ivey TAKE minutes away from the likes of THJ and Beasley (ESPECIALLY Thompson and Holland). I'm sure the aforementioned will get their minutes at the beginning of the season, however, if there is solid development from the youngsters, the team will be performing better than expected (and we have some good fodder to make moves at the trade deadline). Throw in the fact that players are always injured, most of the guys on our roster are going to get some good stretches of PT throughout the season.

THJ is trash I hope he isn't in the rotation let alone starting

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[Pharaoh]

I think a nine or ten-player rotation is optimal. With the current roster, I'd go something like:

PG Cade (32)/Ivey (16)
SG THJ (20)/Ivey (12)/(Sasser or Holland) (16)
SF Fontecchio (28)/Ausar (20)
PF Harris (28)/Stewart (10)/Reed (10)
C Duren (30)/Stewart (18)

I suppose that leaves Beasley and potentially Sasser/Holland off the list (for now). Ivey is the 6th man, subbing first at PG or SG. I'd love to see guys like Holland, Sasser, Ausar, and even Ivey TAKE minutes away from the likes of THJ and Beasley (ESPECIALLY Thompson and Holland). I'm sure the aforementioned will get their minutes at the beginning of the season, however, if there is solid development from the youngsters, the team will be performing better than expected (and we have some good fodder to make moves at the trade deadline). Throw in the fact that players are always injured, most of the guys on our roster are going to get some good stretches of PT throughout the season.

THJ is trash I hope he isn't in the rotation let alone starting

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LMAO he'll be in the rotation for sure regardless of who starts at the 2

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[TPA]

I think a nine or ten-player rotation is optimal. With the current roster, I'd go something like:

PG Cade (32)/Ivey (16)
SG THJ (20)/Ivey (12)/(Sasser or Holland) (16)
SF Fontecchio (28)/Ausar (20)
PF Harris (28)/Stewart (10)/Reed (10)
C Duren (30)/Stewart (18)

I suppose that leaves Beasley and potentially Sasser/Holland off the list (for now). Ivey is the 6th man, subbing first at PG or SG. I'd love to see guys like Holland, Sasser, Ausar, and even Ivey TAKE minutes away from the likes of THJ and Beasley (ESPECIALLY Thompson and Holland). I'm sure the aforementioned will get their minutes at the beginning of the season, however, if there is solid development from the youngsters, the team will be performing better than expected (and we have some good fodder to make moves at the trade deadline). Throw in the fact that players are always injured, most of the guys on our roster are going to get some good stretches of PT throughout the season.

THJ is trash I hope he isn't in the rotation let alone starting

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Bro, I'm with you. I would leave THJ and Beasley out of the rotation entirely, personally, except I believe they are going to get minutes initially because the FO acquired them. My "preferred" lineup and minute allocation would differ.

[Pharaoh]

I think a nine or ten-player rotation is optimal. With the current roster, I'd go something like:

PG Cade (32)/Ivey (16)
SG THJ (20)/Ivey (12)/(Sasser or Holland) (16)
SF Fontecchio (28)/Ausar (20)
PF Harris (28)/Stewart (10)/Reed (10)
C Duren (30)/Stewart (18)

I suppose that leaves Beasley and potentially Sasser/Holland off the list (for now). Ivey is the 6th man, subbing first at PG or SG. I'd love to see guys like Holland, Sasser, Ausar, and even Ivey TAKE minutes away from the likes of THJ and Beasley (ESPECIALLY Thompson and Holland). I'm sure the aforementioned will get their minutes at the beginning of the season, however, if there is solid development from the youngsters, the team will be performing better than expected (and we have some good fodder to make moves at the trade deadline). Throw in the fact that players are always injured, most of the guys on our roster are going to get some good stretches of PT throughout the season.

THJ is trash I hope he isn't in the rotation let alone starting

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Bro, I'm with you. I would leave THJ and Beasley out of the rotation entirely, personally, except I believe they are going to get minutes initially because the FO acquired them. My "preferred" lineup and minute allocation would differ.

If we're going what I personally would prefer yeah my rotation is completely different but I can't recall JB running offense like the Celtics did/do.

Cade, Holland, Ausar, Tobias, Stewart is a 5 man unit where you can run plenty of sets that spread the floor and give Cade, Holland and Ausar opportunities to get moving downhill with and without the ball.

I think those 3 have sufficient IQ to read the D and make the right read even if it's a split second late but that's something they need to develop so I'd live with it.

Also gives Cade and Tobias the easier match up defensively as I'd be trying to further educate Ausar and Holland on that end too.

I just don't think we're going to rush into featuring Holland and/or Ausar to that extent and I'll always accept the reality we live in than the fantasy "we could do this trade, should do this trade, should run these rotations".

I imagine JB will use the first 20 games to gather Intel on line ups and after that we'll (hopefully) see guys like THJ & Beasley losing minutes to the younger guys

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[SuperBad]

9

Cade- 34m
Ausar 27m
Beasley 26m, Ivey 26
Duran 28. stew 25
Tobias 27 Tech 27 Holland 20

Sasser is a perfect 5th guard at this point in time, we want him to be pushing the others to get in the rotation, I don’t know what THJ has left, but I’m sure there’s going to be lots of injuries, and this is where both these two are going to help.

[MortSahlfan]

I think guys TL went and got will be in the rotation. It's natural. Just like Weaver and Killian. I'm guessing Holland will get his chances. Can't wait to (find a stream online) watch him tomorrow night.

[Billl]

It's the NBA. The rotation is going to be 9-10. I'd be fairly surprised if we don't make a trade before training camp to trim the roster.

[IAmKrazy2]

THJ and Beasley both produced on playoff teams last year. We won 14 games. To act like they should be out of the rotation is silly IMO. They are our two most proven outside shooters. We need that spacing when Duren Ausar Ivey or Holland is on the floor.

[7r5ur]

THJ and Beasley both produced on playoff teams last year. We won 14 games. To act like they should be out of the rotation is silly IMO. They are our two most proven outside shooters. We need that spacing when Duren Ausar Ivey or Holland is on the floor.

I don't really buy this "X player played X minutes on a playoff team, therefore..." stuff. The reason a guy like Beasley started in Milwaukee is because they had all of their money wrapped up in Giannis, Dame, Middleton, and Lopez. They needed a veteran minimum guy to just slot in. Not because he's a good player, but because he was all they could get with $2M they had leftover from the salaries of all of their actual good players. I question if his big leap from below average 35% shooter to elite 41% shooter carries over in Detroit without the gravity of Giannis (and Dame).

If he's closer to the 35% he was the previous year, he's not a guy you want in your rotation much at all. And the Bucks clearly did not want him in their rotation even after a good shooting year.

Meanwhile Dallas looked at Grimes as an upgrade to THJ's SG role off the bench, and a lot of people on here seem to think Grimes is trash. THJ was totally unplayable for the last 5 months of their season. Even by Pistons standards. He shot 35% from the field and 32% from 3 from the end of January to June, and he's one of the worst defenders in the league.

It's also a matter of having 2 of these guys on the same roster. It's problematic to play 2 guys together that play zero defense and can't dribble or create any offense on the other end. You can maybe get away with one of those guys, but 2?

This is what should limit their minutes here, even if I assume both will play some role on a nightly basis.

[Canadafan]

My go at it;

Duren30 Stew18 Reed
Tobias30 Fontecchio18
Ausar18 THJr18 Beasley12 Holland
Ivey30 Cade12 Beasley6 Sasser
Cade18 Tyus30(I just can't help myself )

Once THJr and Beasley fade away we bump Ausar up to 30 and Holland 24

I like our squad

[JennetteMcCurdy]

Beasley and THJ are absolutely going to play, especially at the start of the season. As said earlier, the Pistons won 14 games. The players brought in on purpose will get their chances first, and the youth here will get chances to earn their minutes.

[7r5ur]

Beasley and THJ are absolutely going to play, especially at the start of the season. As said earlier, the Pistons won 14 games. The players brought in on purpose will get their chances first, and the youth here will get chances to earn their minutes.

So Ron Holland and Bobi Klintman for 30mpg?

Paul Reed for big minutes and Stew/Duren will have to earn theirs?

Or were those accidental and THJ/Beasley were the only intentional players?

Not every player you bring in means they jump to the front of the depth chart. I would hope/assume they all get to fight for minutes and no one is handed anything. Isn't that the whole point?

[JennetteMcCurdy]

Beasley and THJ are absolutely going to play, especially at the start of the season. As said earlier, the Pistons won 14 games. The players brought in on purpose will get their chances first, and the youth here will get chances to earn their minutes.

So Ron Holland and Bobi Klintman for 30mpg?

Paul Reed for big minutes and Stew/Duren will have to earn theirs?

Or were those accidental and THJ/Beasley were the only intentional players?

Not every player you bring in means they just to the front of the depth chart.

I’m guessing most posters are smart enough to understand context.

[Canadafan]

My go at it;

Duren30 Stew18 Reed
Tobias30 Fontecchio18
Ausar18 THJr18 Beasley12 Holland
Ivey30 Cade12 Beasley6 Sasser
Cade18 Tyus30(I just can't help myself )

Once THJr and Beasley fade away we bump Ausar up to 30 and Holland 24

I like our squad

Um, if we were to get crazy and trade Ivey+Stew for Ingram, he would essentially replace Iveys 30minutes. And Reed would replace Stew. I am downnnnn

Our future roster would be
Duren Stew Vet
Tobias Fontecchio
Ingram Ausar
Cade Holland
Tyus Vet

[Spider156]

I noticed every fan looks at the lineup and wants to decide the minutes…

Give me the last time the Pistons roster was all healthy to start the season, what about to end the season?

Cute topic but this isn’t a discussion anymore, we need a 12-14 man deep team and who cares for the rotation. The core is young enough and older enough now that playing Ivey isn’t a must, Holland could live in the G league. I’m sure there’ll be plenty of people that’ll disagree with me.

Simply put, if you can play, play. If you can’t play, sit down and stop pretending as if you can. I’m tired of having idiots on the court every year on the court and fans asking for mins and playing time. A guy like Ivey got abused sure but some idiots don’t get better with playing time. Guys like Braun and Vaquez make Ivey look like an idiot. Just watch how Jarace walker will turn out to look better after living in the G league last year. If Ivey doesn’t look good by trade deadline, I would trade him and draft best shooting guard next year’s draft. Next year is make or break on our core as a whole, no excuses.

[flow]

I noticed every fan looks at the lineup and wants to decide the minutes…

Give me the last time the Pistons roster was all healthy to start the season, what about to end the season?

Cute topic but this isn’t a discussion anymore, we need a 12-14 man deep team and who cares for the rotation. The core is young enough and older enough now that playing Ivey isn’t a must, Holland could live in the G league. I’m sure there’ll be plenty of people that’ll disagree with me.

Simply put, if you can play, play. If you can’t play, sit down and stop pretending as if you can. I’m tired of having idiots on the court every year on the court and fans asking for mins and playing time. A guy like Ivey got abused sure but some idiots don’t get better with playing time. Guys like Braun and Vaquez make Ivey look like an idiot. Just watch how Jarace walker will turn out to look better after living in the G league last year. If Ivey doesn’t look good by trade deadline, I would trade him and draft best shooting guard next year’s draft. Next year is make or break on our core as a whole, no excuses.

Or just replace him with Okoro now.

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[Kalamazoo317]

Injuries do usually end up deciding.

In a fictional scenario where everyone is healthy and we keep a tight, 9 man rotation, I think it's:

Cade, Ivey, and one of THJ/Beasley as the guard rotation, Harris, Ausar, Tek as the forward rotation, Duren and Stew as the centers, then one of Beasley/THJ, Sasser, or Reed for spot minutes depending on foul problems and the size of the opponent.

As injuries arise, it opens up chances for other players, like Holland.