Zion to Char

[pipfan]

I'm sure this deal has been posted, but it makes the most sense. Wouldn't hurt Char's tank this year-too late for them. They roll the dice on a potential true 1st option hometown guy. A core of Zion, Ball, Robinson, Williams could be very good if healthy (plus Char's top 6 pick this year).

For NO, they need to move on and start fresh.


NO sends Zion to Char for Bridges, Salaun and Char's 2026 1st (top 10 protected-I think this is legal since Char's pick won't go this year)

NO gets a starter in Bridges, an ok prospect for the long term and a pick. Plus, they move on from Zion finally (BI too) and start fresh

[MasterIchiro]

A team with 6 1st round picks available for trade has to roll the dice?

I'd say that team can comfortably win the bid for a greater certainty than a roll of the dice.

[MasterIchiro]

Teams with playoff position and fewer assets are more likely to roll the dice because they lack the resources for a greater certainty while being better positioned than the Hornets to win now.

Zion to the Hornets makes no sense.

[MasterIchiro]

Put differently, if you have 6 1st round picks in the bank in this market, you are in a better position to:

A - Gamble
B - Invest

[BigGargamel]

Zion is a Carolina boy. Don't know if him playing closer to home would be good or bad. But he seems destined to move on to an irrelevant team where no one would care what he does. He just seems like a Charlotte Hornet.

I don't think he's worth a recent top ten drafted player and another first round pick though. But if any team does it, it would be Charlotte. People would go watch Zion there.

[jayjaysee]

A team with 6 1st round picks available for trade has to roll the dice?

I'd say that team can comfortably win the bid for a greater certainty than a roll of the dice.

Why would a team that hasn’t had made the playoffs in 9 years take a risk that costs 4+ first round picks? Or two winning seasons in last 10..

CLT should not try to outbid teams, because they aren’t actually trying to take the jump for a championship?

But since they have struggled for so long and Ball/Miller look great, they should want spend a bit to upgrade the team. That could be Hunter, Cam Johnson, a better vet center, etc.

or for a similar price you can get Zion. And either continue tanking as they have been or he plays like he did last season and CLT is a second round playoff team?

I love taking a shot on Zion for all of the struggling teams.

[MasterIchiro]

A team with 6 1st round picks available for trade has to roll the dice?

I'd say that team can comfortably win the bid for a greater certainty than a roll of the dice.

Why would a team that hasn’t had made the playoffs in 9 years take a risk that costs 4+ first round picks? Or two winning seasons in last 10..

CLT should not try to outbid teams, because they aren’t actually trying to take the jump for a championship?

But since they have struggled for so long and Ball/Miller look great, they should want spend a bit to upgrade the team. That could be Hunter, Cam Johnson, a better vet center, etc.

or for a similar price you can get Zion. And either continue tanking as they have been or he plays like he did last season and CLT is a second round playoff team?

I love taking a shot on Zion for all of the struggling teams.

This is a basic concept.

If the Hornets simply reserve what's currently in the pick bank, they can bid on a star at a level of risk more appropriate to small market teams that can't really survive large contracts that go South.

Zion is not coming to Charlotte.

[jayjaysee]

A team with 6 1st round picks available for trade has to roll the dice?

I'd say that team can comfortably win the bid for a greater certainty than a roll of the dice.

Why would a team that hasn’t had made the playoffs in 9 years take a risk that costs 4+ first round picks? Or two winning seasons in last 10..

CLT should not try to outbid teams, because they aren’t actually trying to take the jump for a championship?

But since they have struggled for so long and Ball/Miller look great, they should want spend a bit to upgrade the team. That could be Hunter, Cam Johnson, a better vet center, etc.

or for a similar price you can get Zion. And either continue tanking as they have been or he plays like he did last season and CLT is a second round playoff team?

I love taking a shot on Zion for all of the struggling teams.

This is a basic concept.

If the Hornets simply reserve what's currently in the pick bank, they can bid on a star at a level of risk more appropriate to small market teams that can't really survive large contracts that go South.

Zion is not coming to Charlotte.

A basic concept, but then bring up a contract that can’t actually go south?

There’s plenty of risk in trading for Zion, but his contract isn’t one. He’s signed below 25% and year by year it’s not guaranteed at this point..

[MasterIchiro]

Why would a team that hasn’t had made the playoffs in 9 years take a risk that costs 4+ first round picks? Or two winning seasons in last 10..

CLT should not try to outbid teams, because they aren’t actually trying to take the jump for a championship?

But since they have struggled for so long and Ball/Miller look great, they should want spend a bit to upgrade the team. That could be Hunter, Cam Johnson, a better vet center, etc.

or for a similar price you can get Zion. And either continue tanking as they have been or he plays like he did last season and CLT is a second round playoff team?

I love taking a shot on Zion for all of the struggling teams.

This is a basic concept.

If the Hornets simply reserve what's currently in the pick bank, they can bid on a star at a level of risk more appropriate to small market teams that can't really survive large contracts that go South.

Zion is not coming to Charlotte.

A basic concept, but then bring up a contract that can’t actually go south?

There’s plenty of risk in trading for Zion, but his contract isn’t one. He’s signed below 25% and year by year it’s not guaranteed at this point..

The reserve of 6 firsts is good until 2027.

Squander them now on a risky player and you put yourself in a worse position to win a bid on a more stable investment that costs more than 2 firsts. The 2 firsts mentioned here are high value firsts that should remain on reserve.

[jayjaysee]

This is a basic concept.

If the Hornets simply reserve what's currently in the pick bank, they can bid on a star at a level of risk more appropriate to small market teams that can't really survive large contracts that go South.

Zion is not coming to Charlotte.

A basic concept, but then bring up a contract that can’t actually go south?

There’s plenty of risk in trading for Zion, but his contract isn’t one. He’s signed below 25% and year by year it’s not guaranteed at this point..

The reserve of 6 firsts is good until 2027.

Squander them now on a risky player and you put yourself in a worse position to win a bid on a more stable investment that costs more than 2 firsts. The 2 firsts mentioned here are high value firsts that should remain on reserve.

This feels like a circle and maybe it should just be you don’t want Zion?

It’s not his contract or the small market.. and even if they did the OP, the “reserve” is 5 firsts once the offseason starts. The OP is one first and a prospect. So still can offer 3 CLT firsts and 2 other team firsts.

And reserve of 6 firsts shouldn’t be made available for anyone given how bad Charlotte is. Unless it’s like an MVP level player locked up.. and then does the 6 firsts even win in a bidding war with OKC,Utah, SAS.. no..

[MasterIchiro]

A basic concept, but then bring up a contract that can’t actually go south?

There’s plenty of risk in trading for Zion, but his contract isn’t one. He’s signed below 25% and year by year it’s not guaranteed at this point..

The reserve of 6 firsts is good until 2027.

Squander them now on a risky player and you put yourself in a worse position to win a bid on a more stable investment that costs more than 2 firsts. The 2 firsts mentioned here are high value firsts that should remain on reserve.

This feels like a circle and maybe it should just be you don’t want Zion?

It’s not his contract or the small market.. and even if they did the OP, the “reserve” is 5 firsts once the offseason starts. The OP is one first and a prospect. So still can offer 3 CLT firsts and 2 other team firsts.

And reserve of 6 firsts shouldn’t be made available for anyone given how bad Charlotte is. Unless it’s like an MVP level player locked up.. and then does the 6 firsts even win in a bidding war with OKC,Utah, SAS.. no..

What part about small market teams not surviving potential albatross contracts don't you understand?

Being bad means we can't erase it in free agency with ring chasers playing cheap like they do for the big spenders.

It could set back a small market team years.

He's not coming to Charlotte.

[jayjaysee]

The reserve of 6 firsts is good until 2027.

Squander them now on a risky player and you put yourself in a worse position to win a bid on a more stable investment that costs more than 2 firsts. The 2 firsts mentioned here are high value firsts that should remain on reserve.

This feels like a circle and maybe it should just be you don’t want Zion?

It’s not his contract or the small market.. and even if they did the OP, the “reserve” is 5 firsts once the offseason starts. The OP is one first and a prospect. So still can offer 3 CLT firsts and 2 other team firsts.

And reserve of 6 firsts shouldn’t be made available for anyone given how bad Charlotte is. Unless it’s like an MVP level player locked up.. and then does the 6 firsts even win in a bidding war with OKC,Utah, SAS.. no..

What part about small market teams not surviving potential albatross contracts don't you understand?

Being bad means we can't erase it in free agency with ring chasers playing cheap like they do for the big spenders.

It could set back a small market team years.

He's not coming to Charlotte.

You keep doubling down though…

Zion isn’t an albatross. Zion is year by year guaranteed. You can cut and run whenever. I don’t know if you just don’t know that? If he doesn’t play, his next season isn’t guaranteed. If he plays, then his team usually wins..

[MasterIchiro]

This feels like a circle and maybe it should just be you don’t want Zion?

It’s not his contract or the small market.. and even if they did the OP, the “reserve” is 5 firsts once the offseason starts. The OP is one first and a prospect. So still can offer 3 CLT firsts and 2 other team firsts.

And reserve of 6 firsts shouldn’t be made available for anyone given how bad Charlotte is. Unless it’s like an MVP level player locked up.. and then does the 6 firsts even win in a bidding war with OKC,Utah, SAS.. no..

What part about small market teams not surviving potential albatross contracts don't you understand?

Being bad means we can't erase it in free agency with ring chasers playing cheap like they do for the big spenders.

It could set back a small market team years.

He's not coming to Charlotte.

You keep doubling down though…

Zion isn’t an albatross. Zion is year by year guaranteed. You can cut and run whenever. I don’t know if you just don’t know that? If he doesn’t play, his next season isn’t guaranteed. If he plays, then his team usually wins..

If Pelicans can just cut and run whenever, why not pocket the high value 1st, Miles, and Salaun and wait for Pelicans/Zion to resolve on its own?

It's a gamble the Pels won't cut him, but better than gambling on the Hornets having to cut him and losing those assets.

[HornetJail]

I'm a fan of the framework of a Salaun + 1st (not this year's 1st or Miami's 1st) for Zion. Let's make it happen.

If the Pels don't want Bridges (I have yet to see many fans on here accept a trade with Bridges incoming, understandably so given his history and he's having the worst season of his career right now)... I'd comfortably sub any combo of fillers instead. Take your pick between Green/Grant/Richards/Micic/Martin. None of them hold any real value.

I assume this would also require the Pels viewing Salaun as a semi-interesting prospect, which we really have no way of knowing if they are.

[Astaluego]

I don't know if it would work on the field, but I suppose that the HORNETS would put them on the map and they would have a lot of media impact, even more so in the Internet era we live in... they would gain a lot of fans, especially young people (see the massive support that Melo had for the allstar) that Melo/Zion Combo would make the merchandising crazy and HORNETS t-shirts would be sold all over the world, the brand would be I would shoot...