Memphis- Charlotte

JMAC3 · Post #1 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:34 pm

Memphis is stacked with depth, they also have a decent amount of guys that are ready to hit open market in Aldama, Kennard, LaRavia.

Charlotte trades: Cody Martin and Pelicans 2nd (34th)
Memphis trades: Konchar, GG Jackson

Why for Memphis: GG likely doesn't get enough minutes to develop on this stacked Memphis team, they clear Konchar off the books the next 2.5 years. Also, land a strong 2nd round pick. Martin is an upgrade over Konchar this year too and gives them another perimeter defender for the playoffs. His contract next year is unguaranteed so Memphis can let him walk if they would rather bring back their own FA with the extra cap room.

Why for Charlotte: They eat the Konchar money, but pick up another young prospect to develop and they have plenty of minutes to give GG.

Post #2 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:38 pm

I don't have Martin an upgrade over Konchar at all. Also not sure Memphis is ready to just punt on Jackson for a salary dump either. Can't see this one for Memphis.

Get it for Charlotte to take a look at Jackson, but I don't think this gets that done.

JMAC3 · Post #3 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:42 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I don't have Martin an upgrade over Konchar at all. Also not sure Memphis is ready to just punt on Jackson for a salary dump either. Can't see this one for Memphis.

Get it for Charlotte to take a look at Jackson, but I don't think this gets that done.

Konchar isn't playing at all, you must think teams are willing to give up assets for Konchar then if you think he is similar to Martin. I was under the impression most saw his contract as a negative at this point.

JMAC3 · Post #4 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:47 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I don't have Martin an upgrade over Konchar at all. Also not sure Memphis is ready to just punt on Jackson for a salary dump either. Can't see this one for Memphis.

Get it for Charlotte to take a look at Jackson, but I don't think this gets that done.

Also, Memphis is getting a near first round pick in the deal as well. Hardly just a salary dump deal.

Post #5 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:54 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:I don't have Martin an upgrade over Konchar at all. Also not sure Memphis is ready to just punt on Jackson for a salary dump either. Can't see this one for Memphis.

Get it for Charlotte to take a look at Jackson, but I don't think this gets that done.

Konchar isn't playing at all, you must think teams are willing to give up assets for Konchar then if you think he is similar to Martin. I was under the impression most saw his contract as a negative at this point.

I didn't say one word about teams giving up assets for Konchar. In fact I mentioned that your deal has them treating him as a salary dump.

I just don't think they want to salary dump him using Jackson. Maybe they do, but I wouldn't. He's cheaper to get off his money in the summer and they don't have a pressing need to do so now. This deal just offers nothing of interest for them.

HornetJail · Post #6 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:56 pm

happy to remove Konchar if he's actually valued by Memphis.

I'd happily just trade a pick for Jackson and leave off all the other crap, probably multiple picks tbh

Post #7 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:57 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:I don't have Martin an upgrade over Konchar at all. Also not sure Memphis is ready to just punt on Jackson for a salary dump either. Can't see this one for Memphis.

Get it for Charlotte to take a look at Jackson, but I don't think this gets that done.

Also, Memphis is getting a near first round pick in the deal as well. Hardly just a salary dump deal.

I have Jackson worth more to Memphis than that early 2nd(lets call what it is not what its almost

). So in effect this is using that value to salary dump Konchar's future money.

Concept should be clear, no? And I think thats not something that would interest Memphis at this time. But maybe they no longer see Jackson as a potentially key piece moving forward? That would surprise me since they will need cheap salary contributors, but maybe?

Just where I'm at. I think this isn't attractive for Memphis

JMAC3 · Post #8 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:07 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:I don't have Martin an upgrade over Konchar at all. Also not sure Memphis is ready to just punt on Jackson for a salary dump either. Can't see this one for Memphis.

Get it for Charlotte to take a look at Jackson, but I don't think this gets that done.

Konchar isn't playing at all, you must think teams are willing to give up assets for Konchar then if you think he is similar to Martin. I was under the impression most saw his contract as a negative at this point.

I didn't say one word about teams giving up assets for Konchar. In fact I mentioned that your deal has them treating him as a salary dump.

I just don't think they want to salary dump him using Jackson. Maybe they do, but I wouldn't. He's cheaper to get off his money in the summer and they don't have a pressing need to do so now. This deal just offers nothing of interest for them.

So is Konchar better than Martin or not? I am confused.

Because 1 guy is getting rumored to have trade interest and the other guy is seen as negative salary in a lot of deals I have seen.

psman2 · Post #9 » by **psman2** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:11 pm

I think Memphis views and values GG Jackson much higher than this. This has no legs. We don't need to dump Konchar and we don't need Martin. There is nothing here remotely interesting for Memphis.

JMAC3 · Post #10 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:14 pm

psman2 wrote:I think Memphis views and values GG Jackson much higher than this. This has no legs. We don't need to dump Konchar and we don't need Martin. There is nothing here remotely interesting for Memphis.

Interesting how many minutes per game do you think GG Jackson is going to average this season?

Post #11 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:15 pm

JMAC3 wrote:So is Konchar better than Martin or not? I am confused.

Because 1 guy is getting rumored to have trade interest and the other guy is seen as negative salary in a lot of deals I have seen.

I think on court its close to a wash but I'd prefer Konchar. But in terms of trade targets teams could see Martin as their 4th or 5th wing with no future commitment and be more interested in him than Konchar because of the future money.

Like I have Maxi Kleber clearly a better player now than PJ Tucker but Tucker having more (less negative) trade value than Maxi because Maxi is due 8 figures next year.

So I agree in a Konchar/Martin swap the Grizzlies would owe value. They just have no reason to provide it in the form of Jackson.

IDK this feels pretty basic, right?

psman2 · Post #12 » by **psman2** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:20 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
psman2 wrote:I think Memphis views and values GG Jackson much higher than this. This has no legs. We don't need to dump Konchar and we don't need Martin. There is nothing here remotely interesting for Memphis.

Interesting how many minutes per game do you think GG Jackson is going to average this season?

Why does that matter? He is a 20 year old guy that is signed to 3 more cheap years that showed lottery level talent last year. If we want to make a roster move for a win now guy we would use 1sts way before GG. If we made a trade for a star and they really needed GG to be included that is the type of trade we would consider moving him in.

Post #13 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:20 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:So is Konchar better than Martin or not? I am confused.

Because 1 guy is getting rumored to have trade interest and the other guy is seen as negative salary in a lot of deals I have seen.

I think on court its close to a wash but I'd prefer Konchar. But in terms of trade targets teams could see Martin as their 4th or 5th wing with no future commitment and be more interested in him than Konchar because of the future money.

Like I have Maxi Kleber clearly a better player now than PJ Tucker but Tucker having more (less negative) trade value than Maxi because Maxi is due 8 figures next year.

So I agree in a Konchar/Martin swap the Grizzlies would owe value. They just have no reason to provide it in the form of Jackson.

IDK this feels pretty basic, right?

We also have yet to see reports that team have specific interest in Martin, the player, so much as we’ve seen reports that teams might want to dump salary, and Charlotte has Martin as an expiring. And other reports that Charlotte is hoping to move Martin to get any sort of value in return?

But as players, on the court, I have Martin and Konchar quite equal.

JMAC3 · Post #14 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:23 pm

psman2 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
psman2 wrote:I think Memphis views and values GG Jackson much higher than this. This has no legs. We don't need to dump Konchar and we don't need Martin. There is nothing here remotely interesting for Memphis.

Interesting how many minutes per game do you think GG Jackson is going to average this season?

Why does that matter? He is a 20 year old guy that is signed to 3 more cheap years that showed lottery level talent last year. If we want to make a roster move for a win now guy we would use 1sts way before GG. If we made a trade for a star and they really needed GG to be included that is the type of trade we would consider moving him in.

Alrighttyyy haha. Just was asking my bad. We can lock up the thread lol

Post #15 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:33 pm

We don't have to lock it mate, though of course I will if you really want me to. We are allowed to have different ideas on what players are worth and what direction teams should take.

So far a few posters haven't liked it but maybe others will. But nothing wrong with having ideas. Believe me many of mine are terrible--I just need others to help me see what should have been obvious but I missed...

HornetJail · Post #16 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:59 pm

does Memphis value GG Jackson more or less than Dallas' 2027 1st?

JMAC3 · Post #17 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:03 pm

HornetJail wrote:does Memphis value GG Jackson more or less than Dallas' 2027 1st?

I would rather just keep the Dallas 27 first. If GG doesn't regain his status in the Memphis rotation his trade value is only going to go down from here, not up.

LightTheBeam · Post #18 » by **LightTheBeam** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:45 pm

I'd feel pretty great about giving up a slightly protected 1st for GG.

I know missed almost this entire 1st half, but last year the kid was a stud. 19 years old, great size, good defense, 36% from 3 on 6 attempts.

I'd think he's easily worth a late lotto pick. This isn't close IMO.

JMAC3 · Post #19 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:54 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:I'd feel pretty great about giving up a slightly protected 1st for GG.

I know missed almost this entire 1st half, but last year the kid was a stud. 19 years old, great size, good defense, 36% from 3 on 6 attempts.

I'd think he's easily worth a late lotto pick. This isn't close IMO.

Yeah maybe but if he isn't playing over any of LaRavia, Clarke, Vince Williams and Aldama by the middle of February nobody is going to give up a mid first. Very easy to see him outside their playoff rotation despite putting up stats last year in the lost season.

Guess we will see though.

Post #20 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:21 pm

Teams aren't going to devalue a player if they see a win now team playing veterans in front of him. That's no reflection on his ability, its the situation. People trying to do the same thing with Rockets players now. That logjam could disappear at any moment and some of it will by this off-season almost certainly.