GMs will be thanking Nico Harrison in a few years

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GMs will be thanking Nico Harrison in a few years 

Post#1 » by Godymas » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:08 pm

The decision to move on from Luka Doncic did not come lightly. It was a byproduct of years of deliberation, careful consideration, and cunning manipulation.

However, one message seems to have stuck out the most from this entire move, and it's a BIG one. Dallas did not want to give Luka Doncic a supermax, and Luka Doncic will now be forced to play his prime out, not on a supermax.

The supermax has been one of those intriguing things since it was added. How often has it really resulted in fair value for a player?

I want to start off by naming the supermax contracts that eventually became negative assets or were viewed as "bad" at some point by the general community.

1. John Wall
2. Bradley Beal
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Rudy Gobert
5. Joel Embiid

Someone has called the above contracts "worst contract in the league". At times it has appeared that the above contracts have ruined teams. 2 of those contracts had to get bought out.

Now I want to go to the next tier of supermaxes, "these players got them, you forgot, and they aren't really worth the supermax"

1. Jaylen Brown
2. Devin Booker
3. Damian Lillard
4. Karl-Anthony Towns

All these guys extended on supermax contracts. None of them are legitimately worth a supermax and two of them have been traded on their supermax. It's important to note that the supermax is meant to be an incentive for loyalty, so when a franchise gives their player the supermax and moves on from them it shows that the supermax doesn't really seem to affect loyalty on both sides of the equation.

Now I want to go onto the final tier of supermaxes the "these guys got the supermax and were worth the supermax"

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Curry

A couple things about these players above. First of all, only Curry has won a championship while being paid the "supermax". Jokic and Giannis inked their deals before going on to win their rings. Second of all, all of the players above are multiple time MVP winners and are regular 1st/2nd team All NBA players on their supermax. Third of all, Curry is not playing up to his supermax value today.

So basically of all the supermax contracts there are only 3 that truly lived up their value and of those 3 only 2 remain fair value for the player today.

Oh but there's one more supermax that I forgot to mention.

Luka Doncic is the only player to get a rookie supermax when he extended in Dallas. During his rookie supermax he won 0 MVPs, made the finals once, and was a 1st team All NBA regular with a scoring title. Now on his rookie supermax, Luka was 100% worth it, he's played up to the value of his contract, but here's the thing that the above really details.

The supermax is only worth it for a multiple time MVP winner, that's the only case where you really should give a player the supermax. Just because a player is "eligible" due to a singular All NBA selection does not indicate that the franchise owes them that supermax, and yet historically teams have been happy to give up that supermax for their players and then trade them out the door. These contracts are actually franchise damaging and have done more harm than good to both the reputation of GMs as well as the players that had them. It's only a matter of time before a guy like Jaylen Brown falls out of that "superstar" status and people start to question if he's worth it.

LeBron, KD, Kyrie, these guys would 100% be supermax players if they stuck around their franchises, but they've hopped around on maxes for the last few years and they've almost always been worth the money barring Kyrie for a brief period of time in Brooklyn.

Now Luka puts up amazing stats, the advanced stats say he's great, but his flaws have been overlooked by the good he's managed to do at such a young age. He seems almost "impervious" to criticism as of late, even though historically he's had a bad reputation with the refs, he's come into seasons out of shape, he's shown maturity issues plenty of times, and if you can tell he has these issues in the brief 48 mins of NBA play-time, you better bet they are amplified heavily off the court, in practice, behind the scenes, etc.

Imo Nico Harrison set a precedent to other GMs, which is that you have to be tighter with the supermax, you have to be tighter with your stars. The NBA has been a cash cow for teams and players, but ultimately the main goal of teams is to win championships, not sell jerseys. The Supermax needs to be reserved, it needs to be treated with more respect, it shouldn't be a desperation play by bad management. Good management recognizes it.

If you asked people 6 months ago to draft up a trade for Luka Doncic they'd come up with some incredibly unrealistic ideas "10 first round picks and every single amazing young player", "you could not trade Luka for any level of talent". Well Nico Harrison has proved all of you wrong, you can in fact trade Luka for another top 10 player in the NBA. A precedent has been set and it's time we all sit back and learn from a RealGM.

We need to be patient, but most important of all, we need to be grateful, grateful for a man that might have singlehandedly saved the future of the NBA and changed the way teambuilding is looked at for decades.

With great admiration and thanks.

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Post#2 » by Godymas » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:08 pm

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Post#3 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:13 pm

Kyrrie worth a supermax but Luka not? This is a wall of foolishness. Even if Nico is not happy with Luka you at mininum get market value for him.
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Post#4 » by Mavrelous » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:22 pm

I've read this twice and I'm still not sure if you're serious, also supermax is a regular max 2-3 years earlier, AD is currently on equivalent contract to what Luka would've been eligible to had Nico Harrison not been a control freak POS moron.
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Post#5 » by JustBuzzin » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:26 pm

Thanks Nico!
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Post#6 » by 7seventynine9 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:28 pm

TLDR version: No one is worth the super max.

Having to win multiple MVP awards to be worth the supermax is ridiculous.
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Post#7 » by kingr » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:37 pm

GMs will be thanking Nico simply because they can now trade their best player and receive less backlash.
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Post#8 » by Swish1906 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:47 pm

GMs are thanking Nico because no matter what horrible trade they are making, no one will call them the worst GM ever
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Post#9 » by mastermixer » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:50 pm

The super max contract is typically a franchise killer. Paying that much of your cap to one player doesn’t leave enough money available to fill out the talent of the rest of the roster (unless the team was already stacked).

If a player becomes eligible for a super max, you pretty much have to give it to him or he will be salty and demand a trade or tank the team.

Because you likely won’t get equal value in player-to-player trades you have to trade for picks.

Nico should have got 4 1st round picks and additional pick swaps, and probably one young up and comping player. That’s what we’ve seen from every major trade in the past.

All Nico showed the rest of us is that he made a bad trade.

The only way Nico comes out on top is if Doncic secretly has a career threatening injury.
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Post#10 » by TheWitcher » Wed Feb 19, 2025 2:59 pm

California needed SOMETHING to cheer for. That state is in shambles.
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Post#11 » by wadenation305 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:08 pm

The supermax is not for loyalty, it's to try to make it impossible for a top star to just "walk" from a team. It forces players to try to stay for the contract and then do what they need to, to get to where they really wanted while giving his original team control. It's there to try to put power back to FO in saying this guy will not just go to another team and get paid the same. Nothing in a corporation is about loyalty, it's about corporate interest and control. And yes not very many people in the NBA is worth a supermax and there are a lot of people here that would be terrible FO workers. Half the people on here would have given playoff P a supermax, because he's "Paul George"
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Post#12 » by mastermixer » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:19 pm

wadenation305 wrote:The supermax is not for loyalty, it's to try to make it impossible for a top star to just "walk" from a team. It forces players to try to stay for the contract and then do what they need to, to get to where they really wanted while giving his original team control. It's there to try to put power back to FO in saying this guy will not just go to another team and get paid the same. Nothing in a corporation is about loyalty, it's about corporate interest and control. And yes not very many people in the NBA is worth a supermax and there are a lot of people here that would be terrible FO workers. Half the people on here would have given playoff P a supermax, because he's "Paul George"



Except players sign a guaranteed super max then immediately demand a trade within a year or two lol
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Post#13 » by tamaraw08 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:20 pm

Godymas wrote:The decision to move on from Luka Doncic did not come lightly. It was a byproduct of years of deliberation, careful consideration, and cunning manipulation.

However, one message seems to have stuck out the most from this entire move, and it's a BIG one. Dallas did not want to give Luka Doncic a supermax, and Luka Doncic will now be forced to play his prime out, not on a supermax.

The supermax has been one of those intriguing things since it was added. How often has it really resulted in fair value for a player?

I want to start off by naming the supermax contracts that eventually became negative assets or were viewed as "bad" at some point by the general community.

1. John Wall
2. Bradley Beal
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Rudy Gobert
5. Joel Embiid



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Wait, there are other GM's who didn't exactly gave their best players the Max possible contracts including Miami, Pelicans, Raptors, Bulls, Kings etc.
Clippers didn't give Kawhi a Max contract and let Paul George walk for nothing.
There's a clause about Zion's contract re: missed games.
Lakers traded Shaq and albeit, he was already on a decline, Miami also let him go.
Riley has done it in the past too with Wade, although in hindsight, He should have traded Butler last summer to get more returns
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Post#14 » by Exp0sed » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:32 pm

a couple of things:

1.) the Supermax in it's current form is flawed, that much is obvious to everyone and in the next CBA i'll be shocked if it wouldnt get cancelled or more likely - changed. the biggest and obvious change everyone have been clamoring for makes alot of sense - Supermax should count against the cap as a regular max, otherwise it's a huge burden on a franchise. I suspect in the next CBA we'll have supermaxes counting as regular maxes against the cap and that should take the sting out of the crux of the supermax issue

presumably a team with a player on a supermax isn't tanking and isn't in the lottery which means it's likely to need a hefty use of salaries to compete for a title, which means going deep into taxes, repeater taxes (that are brutal) and all the constrictions of the 2nd apron. as it stands now that extra supermax salary counting against the cap and costing teams, double, triple and even more is a huge burden even if u supermaxed a guy that actually deserves it

2.) the supermax was intended to give the top players a slightly bigger share of the revenue (which they deserve) but it was mainly designed as a way to incentivize superstars to stay with the small market team that drafted them. problem is, they set really dumb criterias and you have guys like JB, Haliburton etc. who lucked into a random all-NBA appearence and now they're eligible and if their teams won't offer it - they'll get disgruntled. most NBA players aren't gonna be like: "oh, I know i'm not worth the supermax, it's all good" so in ends up hurting said teams, more than it helps others

you can argue that it's a big part of what's happened with Luka, if there was no supermax I doubt they'd any qualms about extending him, commited ot not. worst case scenario you can always sign him and trade him for a legendary haul a year down the line.
Mavs knew they weren't interested in offering the supermax but they also knew Luka (rightfully so in his case but that's beside the point) will be disgruntled and he'll walk as a FA the next season, thus they basically had to either supermax him and figure it out later or...trade him. essentially the supermax caused the opposite effect of what it was intended for, and played a big part in the Mavs losing the best player they have ever drafted and probably will ever draft

4.)Towns is worth a supermax, idk why you clutched him with guys like Beal\Wall etc. he finished top 10 in MVP voting last season and should finish anywhere from 5 to 10 again this season. he's available, he's in his prime and his team is having their best season in ages. the supermax was intended to help teams keep a player like Towns. obviously he was supermax by Minny and then traded but that's beside the point

6.) the Beal and Wall supermaxes were asinine and everyone knew it at the time too. to some extent the Wiz were also in the Mavs shoes, knowing they if they don't offer those guys supermaxes - they'll get disgruntled. Wall was never healthy but just like Zion (albeit with a lesser ceiling) there was hope he might put it all together at some point if he can stay healthy, he was percived potentially as an elite player, Beal was never that...giving that money to Beal was inexuscable but par for the course for the Leonsis ownership which imo has been the worst in the NBA every since he took over the team

5.) as for "fair value" - this is a business. winning is important too (and drives revenues in of itself) but the owners are the ones writing the checks for player's salaries and a guy like Curry (for example), even if he doesn't produce at a supermax level on the court anymore, is still worth to the franchise ALOT more than the difference between a regular max and a supermax. in terms of actual revenue but also the franchise brand and valuation

Luka made the Mavs relevant again, globally. there's more and more talk about the changed in society and how young kids today are much more likely to be fans of certain players than of teams. it's a trend we've been seeing in European soccer in the last couple of decades as well. there are millions of kids around the world who are Luka fans, and they were Mavs "fans" up until the deadline but are now Laker fans

Nico cost these idiot owners hundreds of millions, in team valuation going forward and in direct revenue. no future owner, GM or fan is going to be thanking him anytime soon
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Post#15 » by NoStatsGuy » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:36 pm

isnt KAT 3 or 4 on the MVP ladder? is that not worth the supermax?
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Post#16 » by Billl » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:40 pm

I don't know if other GM's will be thanking him, but I know 1 GM in particular is thanking him this year.
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Post#17 » by Jcool0 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:44 pm

NoStatsGuy wrote:isnt KAT 3 or 4 on the MVP ladder? is that not worth the supermax?


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Post#18 » by Ambrose » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:46 pm

NoStatsGuy wrote:isnt KAT 3 or 4 on the MVP ladder? is that not worth the supermax?


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Post#19 » by mademan » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:47 pm

I actually dont mind trading Luka. If the Mavs FO/trainers/org that's been around him for more than 5 years thinks he has a real lack of professionalism, then i can somewhat understand getting ahead of it and moving him. But why bring back an injured aging star? On the open market, Luka woulda went for a huge rebuilding package
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Post#20 » by HotRocks34 » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:54 pm

Godymas wrote:He seems almost "impervious" to criticism as of late


Luka had a 33/9/9 season last year and then became just the second person in NBA history to lead a playoffs in Total PTS, REB and AST.

He also upset the person favored for the MVP this season head to head in the postseason last year despite being injured and taking the #5 seed against a #1 seed.

So yeah, that guy is probably going to be fairly difficult to criticize at the moment, particularly when the GM who traded for him got in return someone with the nicknames "Street Clothes" and "Day To Davis," and the GM also talked about team culture right before an assistant coach got arrested.

Nico could prevail in the end, but right now things don't look great.
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