The disrespect directed towards Joe needs to stop.

[Floody100]

Put this into perspective.
-Gets thrown into the head coaching role 26 days before the season started.
- In his first season finishes one win short of the NBA finals & almost becomes the first coach in NBA history to lead his team from a 3-0 comeback before his superstar player gets injured in the first couple of minutes of the game.
- In his first full season as head coach leads the team to 64 wins, the 5th highest net rating of all time & the 9th best playoff winning percentage of all time to become the youngest head coach in over 50 years to win a championship.
- Now in just his third season has lead his team to another 60+ win season.

Does Joe have things he needs to work on ? Of course. He’s also a 36 year old in his 3rd full season as an NBA coach. I just find it quite shocking when I see comments describing him as a terrible coach after a loss & comments saying he should be fired if we don’t win the championship this year. You start to question if the dislike for Joe goes beyond the basketball court & those few people are just looking for ways to vent out their disdain for him when they feel the chance comes along (i.e after a loss).

I think he’s a great coach that has done wonders for this team’s culture. The talent’s always been there on the court but it just felt like Brad & Ime could never unlock their full potential.
Brad’s a better Xs & Os coach than Joe but was never as good at building relationships & bonds with the players as Joe has been. He also wasn’t tough enough on the players as well.
Ime is an awesome defensive coach but lacks the skill set to ever be as good offensively as Joe.

It just feels like he’s been taken for granted by some & it shouldn’t take going back to back to realise that.

[Tatumfor2]

I fully agree. Criticizing certain moments or tendencies is one thing. Saying he sucks and should be fired over and over is obnoxious. No one here knows basketball better than Joe.

PH brought up Cave the other day and I remember things differently. Cave hated Joe for sure, but he also hated Jaylen and said we'd never win with him as our #2. Then we go out and win with Joe as coach and Jaylen won finals MVP. No more Cave. That being said, I did enjoy many his posts and would be happy if he returned.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Fans get invested emotionally in the players, the head coach not so much. So when a loss happens it's easier to blame the coach than the shortcomings of the players you have an emotional connection with.

I can't believe that anybody seriously believes Mazzulla is holding back the Celtics by somehow taking a roster with one legit All NBA player to top 3 marks on offense, defense and at least to the conference finals every season.

[Fencer reregistered]

I fully agree. Criticizing certain moments or tendencies is one thing. Saying he sucks and should be fired over and over is obnoxious. No one here knows basketball better than Joe.

PH brought up Cave the other day and I remember things differently. Cave hated Joe for sure, but he also hated Jaylen and said we'd never win with him as our #2. Then we go out and win with Joe as coach and Jaylen won finals MVP. No more Cave. That being said, I did enjoy many his posts and would be happy if he returned.

Cave has stopped saying that Joe is one of the worst coaches in NBA history. Still doesn't think much of him, however.

As for the championship -- Cave subscribes to the school of thought that it was a very lucky run, although to his credit he hastens to add that luck is a huge factor most years, and he's glad it was our turn for once.

[The Corey's]

What a stupid thread.

Joe will never be why they win. But he will almost certainly be a major reason they lose.

[Tatumfor2]

I fully agree. Criticizing certain moments or tendencies is one thing. Saying he sucks and should be fired over and over is obnoxious. No one here knows basketball better than Joe.

PH brought up Cave the other day and I remember things differently. Cave hated Joe for sure, but he also hated Jaylen and said we'd never win with him as our #2. Then we go out and win with Joe as coach and Jaylen won finals MVP. No more Cave. That being said, I did enjoy many his posts and would be happy if he returned.

Cave has stopped saying that Joe is one of the worst coaches in NBA history. Still doesn't think much of him, however.

As for the championship -- Cave subscribes to the school of thought that it was a very lucky run, although to his credit he hastens to add that luck is a huge factor most years, and he's glad it was our turn for once.

How's his Jaylen take these days?

[ConstableGeneva]

Joe eats our disrespect for breakfast, poops it out, and uses it to grow his vegetables in his backyard.

[djFan71]

Joe eats our disrespect for breakfast, poops it out, and uses it to grow his vegetables in his backyard.

Feels like he needs the disrespect to continue to eat. So, Floody100 wants Joe to starve? Not cool, Floody. Not cool.

[Fencer reregistered]

I fully agree. Criticizing certain moments or tendencies is one thing. Saying he sucks and should be fired over and over is obnoxious. No one here knows basketball better than Joe.

PH brought up Cave the other day and I remember things differently. Cave hated Joe for sure, but he also hated Jaylen and said we'd never win with him as our #2. Then we go out and win with Joe as coach and Jaylen won finals MVP. No more Cave. That being said, I did enjoy many his posts and would be happy if he returned.

Cave has stopped saying that Joe is one of the worst coaches in NBA history. Still doesn't think much of him, however.

As for the championship -- Cave subscribes to the school of thought that it was a very lucky run, although to his credit he hastens to add that luck is a huge factor most years, and he's glad it was our turn for once.

How's his Jaylen take these days?

Not a venue for picky debates about individual players, especially the more established ones.

[Floody100]

What a stupid thread.

Joe will never be why they win. But he will almost certainly be a major reason they lose.

This is exactly what I mean.

[Fierce1]

One example of coaching doing its job is making sure KP plays well in Game 4.

KP was horrible in Game 3.

Celts made sure KP got going in the 1st qtr. by running plays for him.

That got KP going as KP was able to get dunks in that 1st qtr.

That's coaching.

[The Corey's]

What a stupid thread.

Joe will never be why they win. But he will almost certainly be a major reason they lose.

This is exactly what I mean.

I knew who you was calling out.

I also know we're not winning because of Joe.

[The Corey's]

One example of coaching doing its job is making sure KP plays well in Game 4.

KP was horrible in Game 3.

Celts made sure KP got going in the 1st qtr. by running plays for him.

That got KP going as KP was able to get dunks in that 1st qtr.

That's coaching.

I mean. He was definitely better than game 3 but he was really horrendous tonight as well. He couldn't play a lick of defense, he was missing a **** ton of shots in the first quarter and he couldn't stay out of foul trouble.

Let's try and keep it real around here.

[Fierce1]

A case could be made that Brad Stevens was never able to get to the finals after reaching the ECF in 2017, 2018, and 2020.

Udoka was also not able to make the Cs win Banner 18.

Doc Rivers also failed to get Banner 18 for the Cs.

It's only Joe who got Banner 18 and did it dominating the postseason with a 16-3 record.

That's one of the best postseason records in NBA history.

So a case can be made the Cs won partly because of Joe.

Facts don't lie.

[Fierce1]

One example of coaching doing its job is making sure KP plays well in Game 4.

KP was horrible in Game 3.

Celts made sure KP got going in the 1st qtr. by running plays for him.

That got KP going as KP was able to get dunks in that 1st qtr.

That's coaching.

I mean. He was definitely better than game 3 but he was really horrendous tonight as well. He couldn't play a lick of defense, he was missing a **** ton of shots in the first quarter and he couldn't stay out of foul trouble.

Let's try and keep it real around here.

With the score tied at 91, JT threw a lob to KP with 3:58 remaining in 4th, KP missed the shot but was able to get it back and dunk it for an And 1.


KP makes the FT and it was Celtics 94, Magic 91.

The Magic never recovered after that.

Sometimes it's the little things that swings the momentum of the game.

And KP had 19 pts in this game and this Game 4 was a low scoring game.

KP ended up shooting 50% from the field and 2-4 from 3pt land.

If that's not a huge improvement from Game 3, I don't know what is.

[The Corey's]

One example of coaching doing its job is making sure KP plays well in Game 4.

KP was horrible in Game 3.

Celts made sure KP got going in the 1st qtr. by running plays for him.

That got KP going as KP was able to get dunks in that 1st qtr.

That's coaching.

I mean. He was definitely better than game 3 but he was really horrendous tonight as well. He couldn't play a lick of defense, he was missing a **** ton of shots in the first quarter and he couldn't stay out of foul trouble.

Let's try and keep it real around here.

With the score tied at 91, JT threw a lob to KP with 3:58 remaining in 4th, KP missed the shot but was able to get it back and dunk it for an And 1.


KP makes the FT and it was Celtics 94, Magic 91.

The Magic never recovered after that.

Sometimes it's the little things that swings the momentum of the game.

And KP had 19 pts in this game and this Game 4 was a low scoring game.

KP ended up shooting 50% from the field and 2-4 from 3pt land.

If that's not a huge improvement from Game 3, I don't know what is.

Now you have two different takes. Your first take was that Joe made a coaching adjustment by having him go to the rim.

Now your take is that he had a significant improvement over game 3.

I don't deny that he had a better game than game 3.

[shi-woo]

Joe's a great coach, I love the intensity he brings, the focus, and the fact that he isn't scared of making adjustments. Like tonight sitting KP to start the half, or the work he's done gameplanning for Luka and the Lob threats. He really is a solid coach that isn't afraid to mix it up, and if you watch more than just our team, you'll see how rare that actually is in this league. Scott Brooks started Thano and Perk till the day they fired him and always had their 3rd best scorer coming off the bench just cuz. Look at Doc the past couple of years...

I think Brad got dealt a bad hand with Danny consistently trying to recreate the IT magic, but for the most part all of our coaches struggle with the same thing. Creating a totally fluid offense around two All-NBA wings that play similar, and aren't/weren't the best ball handlers or passers. The Jays are amazing, but because they are wings our offense tends to get iso heavy, and in the 4th it sometimes looks bad when they just got shot for shot.

No coach has been able to figure this out, but luckily for us both guys have developed tremendously in the dribbling and playmaking department.

To really elevate the team, Joe needs to figure out a way to get easier looks at the rim, and to get this team to be as passionate as he is. Watching the Warriors and Nuggets makes me cry with all their crazy offball work, and we should be doing the same expecially with our shooters and size. Likewise, the team doesn't always play with fire. It can be good because we rarely get juttery, but man does this team take it's food off the gas to quick.

Outside of that I think Joe has proven without a doubt he's a top tier coach in this league.

[KamikazeK]

I was a big Mazzula doubter but since the team won with him you've gotta give him the benefit of the doubt imo. Lots of coaches will never win a title. If you know it's possible to win with one, then there's no point in doubting them anymore. Every coach will have ups and downs at the end of the day just like players.

[Floody100]

What a stupid thread.

Joe will never be why they win. But he will almost certainly be a major reason they lose.

This is exactly what I mean.

I knew who you was calling out.

I also know we're not winning because of Joe.

Your problem with Joe goes beyond basketball if you give him no credit when we win & all the blame if we lose.

[The Corey's]

This is exactly what I mean.

I knew who you was calling out.

I also know we're not winning because of Joe.

Your problem with Joe goes beyond basketball if you give him no credit when we win & all the blame if we lose.

Joe is a bad coach and I think that's objectively true. You could of won a title with that roster last year.