What has more value? KD or Keldon/Barnes/Castle/14

[NYG]

Kevin Durant

vs.

Stephon Castle, Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson and 14th Overall

KD is older and expiring, but Castle was in a very underwhelming rookie class as a whole and 14 has very little chance of peaking at what KD will give on the court in 2025-26

[giberish]

I think Castle and filler is more valued than KD at this point (and I'm not even that high on Castle).

KD has dropped from a bargain on a max contract player (the guys who really move the needle when they change teams) to just a more or less worth a max contract guy. With a possibility of further decline (due to either injury or general age decline) at any point.

Sure it would help SA next season (Keldon and Barnes are IMO somewhat overpaid, rookies rarely help as rookies and there's some value in consolidation) but it wouldn't be that big so the long-term loss would be bigger.

[Slim Charless]

I think that the trade in question (as we've been talking about this on the Suns forum alot....) needs to be made with the disclaimer that MIL will want a ransom for Giannis and by comparison, KD is that much cheaper to get.

Let's say that they want:

Castle
Vassell
#2
#14
ATL's picks
Socahan

Let's say that's the ask for Giannis. Which is not unheard of to think.

If that is the case, then SAS should strongly think about what OP put up. More to the point, the spacing that KD provides will be massive. Even more so, with the other players/picks that SAS gets to keep.

[LarsV8]

I think it's close but I am way lower on Castle than everyone else.

[Myth]

I think that the trade in question (as we've been talking about this on the Suns forum alot....) needs to be made with the disclaimer that MIL will want a ransom for Giannis and by comparison, KD is that much cheaper to get.

Let's say that they want:

Castle
Vassell
#2
#14
ATL's picks
Socahan

Let's say that's the ask for Giannis. Which is not unheard of to think.

If that is the case, then SAS should strongly think about what OP put up. More to the point, the spacing that KD provides will be massive. Even more so, with the other players/picks that SAS gets to keep.

I think KD is worth a LOT less than Giannis at this point in their careers. Giannis gives them a pretty lengthy window. KD doesn’t elevate the Spurs to the same level of Giannis and that window may only be a year or so. They should be seeing if they can land Giannis with package of one of #2 or Castle plus picks and ok filler. If Bucks say no, they should just keep those pieces, not give much of them up for KD. They shouldn’t seek him for anything but a bargain.

[HornetJail]

If I have a 2-3 year window right now, I'm trading that package for Durant every time. The Spurs can afford to play the long game and might not want to trade for a 37-year-old no matter how good.

But what I'm figuring out is that a lot of people are valuing Castle like an obvious future all-star, which I don't know that I agree with

[One_and_Done]

It also depends who you are. The Castle package is alot more valuable to the Spurs than a 37 yr old KD. If you were OKC? You'd probably think about KD.

[wemby]

This has to be a joke, right? 37 year old KD is not getting anywhere near this package back, and this is about value around the league, regardless of what you think about Castle. Really crazy how out of touch with reality some of the proposals out here are.

[Slim Charless]

If I have a 2-3 year window right now, I'm trading that package for Durant every time. The Spurs can afford to play the long game and might not want to trade for a 37-year-old no matter how good.

But what I'm figuring out is that a lot of people are valuing Castle like an obvious future all-star, which I don't know that I agree with

I feel like Bill Simmons and other media types have hyped him into being like some Billips-Nash hybrid with Gary Payton thrown in. It was a weak class and he was not even the starting PG for a Spurs team that little to no expectations this season.

He did play well but I think the deal in question is fair and makes a ton more sense for SAS then trading the farm for Giannis. This gives them flexability and more options futher down the line....while competing for a title next year.

[wemby]

I think that the trade in question (as we've been talking about this on the Suns forum alot....) needs to be made with the disclaimer that MIL will want a ransom for Giannis and by comparison, KD is that much cheaper to get.

Let's say that they want:

Castle
Vassell
#2
#14
ATL's picks
Socahan

Let's say that's the ask for Giannis. Which is not unheard of to think.

If that is the case, then SAS should strongly think about what OP put up. More to the point, the spacing that KD provides will be massive. Even more so, with the other players/picks that SAS gets to keep.

Just because the Spurs don't want to pay the Bucks price for Giannis it doesn't mean they'll make a bad deal for KD. I get fans want to think about scenarios where their favorite team somehow lands a great deal, but Jeez... Luka to the Lakers deals don't happen every day.

[Chinook]

But what I'm figuring out is that a lot of people are valuing Castle like an obvious future all-star, which I don't know that I agree with

Steph deserves his flowers for being the best rookie last year, and while he obviously need to grow in some key areas to become a very good player, let alone a star, it's nice that he already has strengths and intangibles that are hard to teach. That said, I don't have him as an obvious future star, which is why I'm not willing to trade the second-overall pick. I don't think he's inked in as a starter, and I think it's silly that folks want to trade Fox because of his presence. Let him prove himself worthy of the label before assigning it to him.

But that doesn't mean that I'm trying to give him up in a KD trade, and I'm not adding him to 2 for any trade under the sun. The Spurs are two or three players away from a title team, depending on how you count Wemby. They can't be making trades like they're one player away. KD's value isn't in the title-chances he gives the Spurs (though they'd have a chance if everything went perfectly), but in the long-term growth he could facilitate in Wemby and the others. That's why he has value, but once you start trading those young players to bring him in, then that value goes down pretty quickly.

[RoyceDa59]

Spurs aren’t trading for KD.

[Snakebites]

I think you can easily remove pick 14 and my answer still isn’t KD. Both the age and his potential status as a rental play into that.

[Hook_Em]

KD

for

Vassell
Barnes
#14
26’ ATL swap

[One_and_Done]

KD

for

Vassell
Barnes
#14
26’ ATL swap

Still an overpay for KD.

[Bornstellar]

I would max out at Keldon/Vassell/14 for Durant

[Slim Charless]

KD

for

Vassell
Barnes
#14
26’ ATL swap

Still an overpay for KD.

I would max out at Keldon/Vassell/14 for Durant

I think you guys are all underratting KD and the year he's had. Plus the equally good one he had last year. But I get that our record has dimmed that down.

[Astaluego]

Would Spurs prefer AD (who is younger) and would form a great duo with VW?

[One_and_Done]

KD

for

Vassell
Barnes
#14
26’ ATL swap

Still an overpay for KD.

I would max out at Keldon/Vassell/14 for Durant

I think you guys are all underratting KD and the year he's had. Plus the equally good one he had last year. But I get that our record has dimmed that down.

I'm not underrating KD at all. He's still a great player... but he's 37, and he's an injury risk. For a Spurs team that isn't ready to win a title he makes little sense.

[One_and_Done]

Would Spurs prefer AD (who is younger) and would form a great duo with VW?

Unfortunately that makes no sense for the Spurs either, because AD has to play the same position Wemby does which serfs his value to them.