Randle for KD

[JustBuzzin]

Minnesota trades Randle
PHX trades KD

This is a simple swap. With Randle actually having a great playoff run I can see legit interest from PHX. He's younger and fits the timeline with Booker.

Minnesota obviously does this to win right now. KD is something they need especially when Ant is having one of his bad shooting nights.

Is this a fair trade if not who needs to add more?

[giberish]

I do think that Randle is an excellent fit for the Suns, but Minny still needs to add more. If Phoenix can turn KD into Randle and a credible starter at PG or C (or perhaps SF) that would work.

Minny also needs to send out more salary to make the deal legal (and a 3rd team almost certainly needs to get involved).

[moss_is_1]

Wolves would have to add McDaniels to make the money work and I dont see them being interested in doing that.

Unless they can find a Gobert deal as well where they can get another center back.

[HornetJail]

so this doesn't come close to working financially, and also comes at the cost of Naz Reid if they added Conley or DDV to aggregate

[Ghost of Kleine]

Minnesota trades Randle
PHX trades KD

This is a simple swap. With Randle actually having a great playoff run I can see legit interest from PHX. He's younger and fits the timeline with Booker.

Minnesota obviously does this to win right now. KD is something they need especially when Ant is having one of his bad shooting nights.

Is this a fair trade if not who needs to add more?

Personally, I like Randle. But obviously this isn't enough value for KD and won't get it done. Minnesota would need to add more value in something along the lines of Di Vincenzo (or Conley expiring)/ Dillingham/ 17th pick. And probably their 32' 1st. That's solid value that would get a deal done without having McDaniels included or even a package with Gobert included.

They'd be getting KD for a player in Randle whom they weren't really planning on keeping anyways, and could still feature a frontcourt of
McDaniels/ Durant/ Gobert. Ideal defensive compliment for KD to focus fully on being offensively lethal alongside of ANT!

[Ghost of Kleine]

Wolves would have to add McDaniels to make the money work and I dont see them being interested in doing that.

Unless they can find a Gobert deal as well where they can get another center back.

Phoenix could probably send Richards back in the deal with KD/ Richards/ CLE 29' 1st for Gobert/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ Miller/ Minott/ 17th pick/ 31st pick/ MIN 32'1st.

[GopherIt!]

The Wolves are trying to get out of repeater 2nd apron tax. Cap hell was the primary reason they traded KAT. I see Rudy and Randle (S/T) as the 2 players most likely to be dealt. Connelly will be looking to get younger, especially in the front court. This draft is perfectly set up to accommodate. Pick 2 future Wolves from among Fleming, Lendeborg, Sorber. Essengue, Newell, Wolf, Beringer, Raynaud, Kalkbrenner, Yang, etc.

They also really need Rob Dillingham to emerge as they have no other pg on the roster who can potentially start.

[jredsaz]

Minnesota trades Randle
PHX trades KD

This is a simple swap. With Randle actually having a great playoff run I can see legit interest from PHX. He's younger and fits the timeline with Booker.

Minnesota obviously does this to win right now. KD is something they need especially when Ant is having one of his bad shooting nights.

Is this a fair trade if not who needs to add more?

The biggest problem with the trade is that after this playoff performance Randle is probably more likely than not to decline his option. Right? He might end up as the BPA in free agency.

[shrink]

The biggest problem with the trade is that after this playoff performance Randle is probably more likely than not to decline his option. Right? He might end up as the BPA in free agency.

I’ve rarely seen such a turn around from a fan perspective, and it’s a tribute to how Finch and Randle turned the season around in March, and in the playoffs? In the first part of the season, MIN fans were worrying, “OMG! What if Randle picks up his $30.9 mil option?!?” In the last month, they are worrying, “OMG! What if Randle DOESN’T pick up his option?!?”

I know MIN was interested in Kevin Durant at the trade deadline, and a deal doesn’t get done without Randle’s salary getting them halfway there. However, Randle and his family are very happy in MIN, he and Finch are very close, and he’s been integral to the Wolves turn around. I imagine we’ll see extension talks, and that will remove MIN’s interest in trading for KD.

[moss_is_1]

Wolves would have to add McDaniels to make the money work and I dont see them being interested in doing that.

Unless they can find a Gobert deal as well where they can get another center back.

Phoenix could probably send Richards back in the deal with KD/ Richards/ CLE 29' 1st for Gobert/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ Miller/ Minott/ 17th pick/ 31st pick/ MIN 32'1st.

Don't think the Wolves would be willing to give up that much for KD. This guts the roster, craters the defense, leaves the Wolves with no flexibility, and no margin to get a backup PG.

We're in decent shape as it is now to improve for the future.

PG: Conley - Dillingham
SG: Ant - Ddv - Jaylen Clark
SF: Jaden - TSJ - Minott
PF: Randle(PO) - Naz(PO) - Leonard Miller
C: Rudy
With 17, 31 in the upcoming draft to find a future center, PG, or a wing. Also hold the bird rights on NAW, but I believe he'll be gone with the Wolves up against the 2nd apron. Maybe they can work and sign and trade to get a 2nd rounder or 2 back.

[jscott]

Wolves would have to add McDaniels to make the money work and I dont see them being interested in doing that.

Unless they can find a Gobert deal as well where they can get another center back.

Phoenix could probably send Richards back in the deal with KD/ Richards/ CLE 29' 1st for Gobert/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ Miller/ Minott/ 17th pick/ 31st pick/ MIN 32'1st.

Don't think the Wolves would be willing to give up that much for KD. This guts the roster, craters the defense, leaves the Wolves with no flexibility, and no margin to get a backup PG.

We're in decent shape as it is now to improve for the future.

PG: Conley - Dillingham
SG: Ant - Ddv - Jaylen Clark
SF: Jaden - TSJ - Minott
PF: Randle(PO) - Naz(PO) - Leonard Miller
C: Rudy
With 17, 31 in the upcoming draft to find a future center, PG, or a wing. Also hold the bird rights on NAW, but I believe he'll be gone with the Wolves up against the 2nd apron. Maybe they can work and sign and trade to get a 2nd rounder or 2 back.

Agreed. I’d much rather just keep building the way we have been than pick up Durant at that cost/age.

[gswhoops]

KD to Minnesota is a nice idea but it ultimately falls apart when you try to make the details work. The fundamental problem here is that KD makes almost $25 million more than Randle next year. So they've got to send either McD or DDV + Conley to match salaries. That guts the team and hard caps them at the second apron, which they'd only be about $12 million under. They won't have enough space to re-sign Naz, so he walks. Maybe they can re-sign NAW but probably not, since they'd only have 8 players under contract, and need to fill at least 6 roster spaces with that $12 million. That'd basically just enough to sign their 1st round pick and then fill out the rest of the roster with vet mins.

So ultimately they end up losing Randle, McDaniels (or DDV + Conley + another small contract), Naz, and NAW to get KD for a year.

[moss_is_1]

The biggest problem with the trade is that after this playoff performance Randle is probably more likely than not to decline his option. Right? He might end up as the BPA in free agency.

I’ve rarely seen such a turn around from a fan perspective, and it’s a tribute to how Finch and Randle turned the season around in March, and in the playoffs? In the first part of the season, MIN fans were worrying, “OMG! What if Randle picks up his $30.9 mil option?!?” In the last month, they are worrying, “OMG! What if Randle DOESN’T pick up his option?!?”

I know MIN was interested in Kevin Durant at the trade deadline, and a deal doesn’t get done without Randle’s salary getting them halfway there. However, Randle and his family are very happy in MIN, he and Finch are very close, and he’s been integral to the Wolves turn around. I imagine we’ll see extension talks, and that will remove MIN’s interest in trading for KD.

Randle buying in, and Finch having the ultimate trust in him has changed my mind on him for sure. Helps that he's been a major piece in us making another WCF, and ditching the narrative that he can't perform in the playoffs. Be curious to see the improvement after having a full season with the team.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Is Randle going to opt in? I know there’s not a lot of money out there but I’d think he’d want to leverage a good healthy year into a long term deal

[jayjaysee]

Trying to make it legal?

KD, Richards, 29th, 2029 first to Minn
Randle and Rudy to Phoenix
Royce Oneale dumped into someone’s MLE

Long as Phoenix doesn’t keep Micic/Martin, it works?

Kind of a weird directional trade for Minnesota, but maybe they do a follow up? Or just draft two rookies and try to keep Naz and NAW? Naz/KD starting and hopefully the young bench developing while KD finishes his decline?

[ReggiesKnicks]

Is Randle going to opt in? I know there’s not a lot of money out there but I’d think he’d want to leverage a good healthy year into a long term deal

Can't he opt in and extend?

Minnesota could add 4 years and 150 million to his current deal. That's a lot of money for Julius Randle. Minnesota retains flexibility by only having ANT as a max contract while Julius gets paid through the remainder of his prime.

[shrink]

Is Randle going to opt in? I know there’s not a lot of money out there but I’d think he’d want to leverage a good healthy year into a long term deal

Can't he opt in and extend?

Minnesota could add 4 years and 150 million to his current deal. That's a lot of money for Julius Randle. Minnesota retains flexibility by only having ANT as a max contract while Julius gets paid through the remainder of his prime.

To MT, we don’t know if he will opt in. There is no chatter whatsoever here in MIN, and it makes me think that both sides have pushed this discussion off until after the playoffs.

To RK, according to my numbers, if we assume that the new owners will pay up to the second apron, the Wolves will only have $57.2 to give new deals to Randle, Naz, or NAW. Not a lot of money. But I think there is a chance we could see Randle pick up his player option for $30.9 next year, and get the extended years to get paid later. Randle clearly prefers staying in MIN, and there aren’t a lot of cap space suitors. We have also seems JR take a pay cut to help the Knicks, after an All NBA season. Finally, Tim Connelly has somehow gotten several MIN players to take a haircut to keep the team together, which has never happened before fin Minnesota franchise history. It’s possible.

[gswhoops]

KD to Minnesota is a nice idea but it ultimately falls apart when you try to make the details work. The fundamental problem here is that KD makes almost $25 million more than Randle next year. So they've got to send either McD or DDV + Conley to match salaries. That guts the team and hard caps them at the second apron, which they'd only be about $12 million under. They won't have enough space to re-sign Naz, so he walks. Maybe they can re-sign NAW but probably not, since they'd only have 8 players under contract, and need to fill at least 6 roster spaces with that $12 million. That'd basically just enough to sign their 1st round pick and then fill out the rest of the roster with vet mins.

So ultimately they end up losing Randle, McDaniels (or DDV + Conley + another small contract), Naz, and NAW to get KD for a year.

*puts on tin foil hat*

On the other hand, if the new Wolves ownership is trying to generate an excuse to cut salary, "we traded for KD and now we're hard capped" isn't the worst one.

[jscott]

KD to Minnesota is a nice idea but it ultimately falls apart when you try to make the details work. The fundamental problem here is that KD makes almost $25 million more than Randle next year. So they've got to send either McD or DDV + Conley to match salaries. That guts the team and hard caps them at the second apron, which they'd only be about $12 million under. They won't have enough space to re-sign Naz, so he walks. Maybe they can re-sign NAW but probably not, since they'd only have 8 players under contract, and need to fill at least 6 roster spaces with that $12 million. That'd basically just enough to sign their 1st round pick and then fill out the rest of the roster with vet mins.

So ultimately they end up losing Randle, McDaniels (or DDV + Conley + another small contract), Naz, and NAW to get KD for a year.

*puts on tin foil hat*

On the other hand, if the new Wolves ownership is trying to generate an excuse to cut salary, "we traded for KD and now we're hard capped" isn't the worst one.

How does that cut salary though? The fan expectation is just under the 2nd apron for next year and this trade would put them there too just without a bench and less of a future.

[gswhoops]

KD to Minnesota is a nice idea but it ultimately falls apart when you try to make the details work. The fundamental problem here is that KD makes almost $25 million more than Randle next year. So they've got to send either McD or DDV + Conley to match salaries. That guts the team and hard caps them at the second apron, which they'd only be about $12 million under. They won't have enough space to re-sign Naz, so he walks. Maybe they can re-sign NAW but probably not, since they'd only have 8 players under contract, and need to fill at least 6 roster spaces with that $12 million. That'd basically just enough to sign their 1st round pick and then fill out the rest of the roster with vet mins.

So ultimately they end up losing Randle, McDaniels (or DDV + Conley + another small contract), Naz, and NAW to get KD for a year.

*puts on tin foil hat*

On the other hand, if the new Wolves ownership is trying to generate an excuse to cut salary, "we traded for KD and now we're hard capped" isn't the worst one.

How does that cut salary though? The fan expectation is just under the 2nd apron for next year and this trade would put them there too just without a bench and less of a future.

Because instead of giving out 3-4 year deals to Naz and NAW, and (probably) extending Randle, they're getting a 37-year-old KD who is likely to play on a series of 1 year or 1+1 deals to finish out his career.

Letting/"being forced to let" Naz and NAW walk saves them ~$30M next year