BOS/LAL/ATL KP to LA

[Texas Chuck]

So I realized something today that I can't believe I missed. The Hawks have several good sized TPE's and $40M in room under the tax with 4 open roster spots after making their pick. They should be a team getting in on some salary dump stuff. They can straddle trying to make the playoffs while picking up an asset along the way.

Lakers trade: Kleber/Vincent/Vanderbilt/Knecht
Lakers get: KP

Celtics trade: KP
Celtics get: Vanderbilt/top 55 2nd

Hawks trade: top 55 2nd
Hawks get: Kleber/Vincent/Knecht

Hawks get a look at Knecht for taking on $22M in expiring, but not dead expiring. Both Kleber and Vincent would strengthen their bench for a year.
Celtics essentially stretch KP only getting a playable/tradable guy back. Save an absolute fortune
Lakers get their center for spare parts and Knecht

[kds92]

Lakers say yes. There may be some concerns about Luka & KP playing together, but the value is good

[Godaddycurse]

think both lakers and celtics would prefer this to be Holiday instead of KP? Boston want to duck tax in 26/27 and lakers need a defender next to doncic/reaves

[Texas Chuck]

think both lakers and celtics would prefer this to be Holiday instead of KP? Boston want to duck tax in 26/27 and lakers need a defender next to doncic/reaves

I know Jrue seems like a paper fit next to Luka, but every time Dallas tried that guy other than Bullock Jr it was a failure. Every time they stuck with a guy like Reaves it worked great. So I think KP fits a bigger need for them than Jrue.

For Boston fans, they have seemed like they expect more return for Jrue than this. I think this would be fine value for Jrue as well, but they seem more committed to value for Jrue and not KP? And obviously Vanderbilt's deal is readily movable if they want either now or in a year. Just kept it simple.


All that said, that's just my opinion. If others think this is better with Jrue, cool. I like better things.

[Godaddycurse]

think both lakers and celtics would prefer this to be Holiday instead of KP? Boston want to duck tax in 26/27 and lakers need a defender next to doncic/reaves

I know Jrue seems like a paper fit next to Luka, but every time Dallas tried that guy other than Bullock Jr it was a failure. Every time they stuck with a guy like Reaves it worked great. So I think KP fits a bigger need for them than Jrue.

For Boston fans, they have seemed like they expect more return for Jrue than this. I think this would be fine value for Jrue as well, but they seem more committed to value for Jrue and not KP? And obviously Vanderbilt's deal is readily movable if they want either now or in a year. Just kept it simple.


All that said, that's just my opinion. If others think this is better with Jrue, cool. I like better things.

dallas never had a 2nd option like lebron either though and reaves would still be there... or maybe lakers would want both of them (probably not financially viable)

[facothomas22]

The Celtics are not trading Kristaps Porzingis just to take on Jarred Venderbilt atrocious contract. That's just really bad value, even if they're cutting a lot of salary. Dumping salary should not a excuse to settle for trash. Also why the Hawks giving the Lakers favors by being willing to take on Gabe Vincent/Max Kleber contract no only without assets attached to them, but on top of that moving a minor asset in order to take them into their TPE? This is way too good for the Lakers and awful for everyone else.

[brackdan70]

I don’t like this for the Celtics as it adds 2026/27 Salary.
It’s a net negative for the Celtics even with the 20 million in savings next year.
I guess if a deal had already happened that saved significant 2026/27 Salary then maybe.
Maybe I’m living in a Myopia but I think they can do better.
Edit : just realized Vanderbilt has three more years on his deal. Cs are better off just waiving and stretching Porzingis

[hugepatsfan]

I don’t like this for the Celtics as it adds 2026/27 Salary.
It’s a net negative for the Celtics even with the 20 million in savings next year.
I guess if a deal had already happened that saved significant 2026/27 Salary then maybe.
Maybe I’m living in a Myopia but I think they can do better.
Edit : just realized Vanderbilt has three more years on his deal. Cs are better off just waiving and stretching Porzingis

That doesn’t make sense. Once you stretch you can never do anything with it. Vandy can be traded later.

[brackdan70]

I don’t like this for the Celtics as it adds 2026/27 Salary.
It’s a net negative for the Celtics even with the 20 million in savings next year.
I guess if a deal had already happened that saved significant 2026/27 Salary then maybe.
Maybe I’m living in a Myopia but I think they can do better.
Edit : just realized Vanderbilt has three more years on his deal. Cs are better off just waiving and stretching Porzingis

That doesn’t make sense. Once you stretch you can never do anything with it. Vandy can be traded later.

In theory yes, but I can’t see the Celtics trading 1/31for 3/37 It makes no sense to me especially with 26/27 being the real opportunity to duck the tax.

[Mavrelous]

think both lakers and celtics would prefer this to be Holiday instead of KP? Boston want to duck tax in 26/27 and lakers need a defender next to doncic/reaves

Lakers shouldn't...
I proposed something similar, but Hachimura insead of Vincent/Maxi/Knecht, this is better, but depends on ATL, they do need backup PG and backup 4...

[Mavrelous]

Edit : just realized Vanderbilt has three more years on his deal. Cs are better off just waiving and stretching Porzingis

There is no such thing, 3 yr contract is much better than stretched and waived contract.

[dms269]

think both lakers and celtics would prefer this to be Holiday instead of KP? Boston want to duck tax in 26/27 and lakers need a defender next to doncic/reaves

Lakers shouldn't...
I proposed something similar, but Hachimura insead of Vincent/Maxi/Knecht, this is better, but depends on ATL, they do need backup PG and backup 4...

Arlanta does need a backup pg and big depth, but I am not sure relying on Kleber's availability and Vincent's shooting and playmaking solves those issues. Knecht is the "get" here and is so for taking on those salaries, but I think Arlanta still would want better depth at both of those positions.

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[djFan71]

I sorta like it for BOS, not as much as other deals, but value is fair. Vandy is playable and/or flippable imo, so I’m not as worried about the extra years.

[brackdan70]

Edit : just realized Vanderbilt has three more years on his deal. Cs are better off just waiving and stretching Porzingis

There is no such thing, 3 yr contract is much better than stretched and waived contract.

Yeah I was being hyperbolic.
Better to say the Celtics won’t be adding 26/27 salary in any Porzingis trade. That is their best chance to get under the tax and won’t be making moves that make that more difficult…especially for Vanderbilt.

[Texas Chuck]

Edit : just realized Vanderbilt has three more years on his deal. Cs are better off just waiving and stretching Porzingis

There is no such thing, 3 yr contract is much better than stretched and waived contract.

Yeah I was being hyperbolic.
Better to say the Celtics won’t be adding 26/27 salary in any Porzingis trade. That is their best chance to get under the tax and won’t be making moves that make that more difficult…especially for Vanderbilt.

Thank goodness, I too was really taken aback by how the stretching option could be better.... Your position is very fair. However I took this basic concept from a Celtic fan of trading KP for way less now but with some future money attached rather than paying an asset. His deal is so small that it could be moved on from next year at a cheap cost.

Obviously if they can shed similar money without taking back future money or adding assets they should absolutely do that. I'll be honest I don't know just how feasible that is so tried this...

[brackdan70]

There is no such thing, 3 yr contract is much better than stretched and waived contract.

Yeah I was being hyperbolic.
Better to say the Celtics won’t be adding 26/27 salary in any Porzingis trade. That is their best chance to get under the tax and won’t be making moves that make that more difficult…especially for Vanderbilt.

Thank goodness, I too was really taken aback by how the stretching option could be better.... Your position is very fair. However I took this basic concept from a Celtic fan of trading KP for way less now but with some future money attached rather than paying an asset. His deal is so small that it could be moved on from next year at a cheap cost.

Obviously if they can shed similar money without taking back future money or adding assets they should absolutely do that. I'll be honest I don't know just how feasible that is so tried this...

I think if the Celtics viewed Vanderbilt as a useful player that could be part of the Rotation once Tatum returns and they have another move (Jrue probably) that reduces that 26/27 payroll enough to offset Vanderbilt and then some….then maybe this makes sense.
I think ( and maybe I am wrong) that it’s a bit unrealistic ( though not impossible) to get under the second Apron this year without giving up too much in assets. I am assuming Celtics ownership would want to reduce some Salary this coming year, but would focus on 26/27 as the year to get under the Aprons and quite possibly the Tax altogether.
This trade in a vacuum adds more salary overall and what looks to me like a bad contract for 3 years. Maybe I am too bearish on Vanderbilt but he doesn’t seem like a guy the Celtics would want.

[Texas Chuck]

This trade in a vacuum adds more salary overall and what looks to me like a bad contract for 3 years. Maybe I am too bearish on Vanderbilt but he doesn’t seem like a guy the Celtics would want.

Yeah if there is no value in Vanderbilt the player then I agree, Boston should look elsewhere. I kinda thought they had enough shooting and need bigs that he could at least be a rotation guy for them for a year and then re-visit, but its probably just the wrong idea.

Could do Maxi to Boston and send 28 with Vanderbilt to the Hawks. But then that gets into paying an asset, but Kleber if healthy(a big if obviously) could be a backup big for a year and you save the same money.

But probably just a jayjaysee TM bad idea. Appreciate the feedback.

[hugepatsfan]

Rough idea I’m tossing around…

CHA trades Nurkic, Okogie some 2nds for KP.

DAL trades Klay/Gafford for Jrue

LAL traded Knecht/Vandy for Gafford

ATL gets Knect to take Nurkic into their TPE

Some team takes Okogie for the CHA 2nds

Hauser into some teams TPE for free

BOS moves Jrue/Porzingis/Hauser for Vandy/Klay

Celtics clear lots of salary but they’re also taking somewhat sizable multi year money still and massive on court downgrades so I think they do it for minimal asset cost. They end up below the tax altogether after this. Mechanically, they acquire Klay via matching for Hauser and Vandy the MLE they open up so they create two huge TPEs to use next year when theoretically they want to go back to adding players. Requires going back over the tax and apron which they may want to do but they have the options.

[djFan71]

Rough idea I’m tossing around…

CHA trades Nurkic, Okogie some 2nds for KP.

DAL trades Klay/Gafford for Jrue

LAL traded Knecht/Vandy for Gafford

ATL gets Knect to take Nurkic into their TPE

Some team takes Okogie for the CHA 2nds

Hauser into some teams TPE for free

BOS moves Jrue/Porzingis/Hauser for Vandy/Klay

Celtics clear lots of salary but they’re also taking somewhat sizable multi year money still and massive on court downgrades so I think they do it for minimal asset cost. They end up below the tax altogether after this. Mechanically, they acquire Klay via matching for Hauser and Vandy the MLE they open up so they create two huge TPEs to use next year when theoretically they want to go back to adding players. Requires going back over the tax and apron which they may want to do but they have the options.

Solid overall. I don’t mind either of those 2 and could definitely live with it for 25-26. I feel like the massive talent disparity outweighs the salary savings on a value scale at least a little bit. I think minimal assets could be coming to BOS rather than going out. Which could help next summer flipping Klay and / or Vandy to stay below the tax and get a useful player back.