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Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#1 » by Guy Rodgers fan » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:12 pm

With the 2025 NBA draft completed, here is how the trade for Zach Lavine ended up from the Bulls perspective:

Bulls gave up:
- Zach Lavine
- #42 pick which is Maxime Raynaud
- 2028 2nd round pick which is still outstanding

Bulls received:
- Zach Collins
- Kevin Huerter
- Tre Jones
- #12 pick which is Noa Essengue

In my view, this was a good trade for the Bulls. They would have lost the first round pick because it was only top 10 protected to the Spurs. I think Noa is a great addition and will complement Matas and Josh very well. Collins and Huerter are solid rotation players. Tre is a good player but it doesn't seem as if he will be back with the Bulls.

There were a lot of journalists saying the Bulls were going to have to give up a first round pick to move Zach. Instead, they got a very talented player who is only 18 with room to grow.

Regarding the #42 pick which is Raynaud, he could have been a nice addition so that is lost value. Apparently, though, the Bulls weren't interested in adding a 2nd round pick to the roster which is why they traded down from #45 to #55 for Olbrich who will either be a two-way contract or stay in Australia.

We'll have a better read on Noa in about 6 months, or so, but the Lavine trade overall looks very good to me.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#2 » by sco » Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:25 pm

IMO it comes down to how good Noa is. Like you said, it will take time (IMO 2 years) to get a sense. If we keep Jones (unlikely), I'd feel even better about the deal because IMO he is a great fit with Giddey/Coby.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#3 » by Evil_Headband » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:03 pm

I’m not sure Tre Jones re-signing is unlikely. Bulls have a lot of guards but since Ayo, Lonzo and Giddey can guard wings, it’s not a big deal.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#4 » by Muzbar » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:11 pm

Guy Rodgers fan wrote:With the 2025 NBA draft completed, here is how the trade for Zach Lavine ended up from the Bulls perspective:

Bulls gave up:
- Zach Lavine
- #42 pick which is Maxime Raynaud
- 2028 2nd round pick which is still outstanding

Bulls received:
- Zach Collins
- Kevin Huerter
- Tre Jones
- #12 pick which is Noa Essengue

In my view, this was a good trade for the Bulls. They would have lost the first round pick because it was only top 10 protected to the Spurs. I think Noa is a great addition and will complement Matas and Josh very well. Collins and Huerter are solid rotation players. Tre is a good player but it doesn't seem as if he will be back with the Bulls.

There were a lot of journalists saying the Bulls were going to have to give up a first round pick to move Zach. Instead, they got a very talented player who is only 18 with room to grow.

Regarding the #42 pick which is Raynaud, he could have been a nice addition so that is lost value. Apparently, though, the Bulls weren't interested in adding a 2nd round pick to the roster which is why they traded down from #45 to #55 for Olbrich who will either be a two-way contract or stay in Australia.

We'll have a better read on Noa in about 6 months, or so, but the Lavine trade overall looks very good to me.

But the Bulls didn't give up their 2025 SRP in the trade.

It was traded to San Antonio for DeMar DeRozan and then the Spurs traded it for De'Aaron Fox.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#5 » by League Circles » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:23 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:I’m not sure Tre Jones re-signing is unlikely. Bulls have a lot of guards but since Ayo, Lonzo and Giddey can guard wings, it’s not a big deal.


Yeah, also, trading down in the draft from 45 to 55 is a possible sign that we intend to use our 15th and final roster spot on a free agent instead of the 2nd rounder, and the most likely FA for us with a portion of the MLE is probably Jones. He's a nice player. Questionable fit for sure, but may give us more trade flexibility. Who knows, maybe we trade Giddey in a package for a superstar in a year or two and then maybe Jones becomes our primary PG. I'm probably against it cause I don't want to commit long term salary, but IMO he's now more likely to return after what happened with our round 2.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#6 » by Evil_Headband » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:00 pm

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Evil_Headband wrote:I’m not sure Tre Jones re-signing is unlikely. Bulls have a lot of guards but since Ayo, Lonzo and Giddey can guard wings, it’s not a big deal.


Yeah, also, trading down in the draft from 45 to 55 is a possible sign that we intend to use our 15th and final roster spot on a free agent instead of the 2nd rounder, and the most likely FA for us with a portion of the MLE is probably Jones. He's a nice player. Questionable fit for sure, but may give us more trade flexibility. Who knows, maybe we trade Giddey in a package for a superstar in a year or two and then maybe Jones becomes our primary PG. I'm probably against it cause I don't want to commit long term salary, but IMO he's now more likely to return after what happened with our round 2.


They have Bird rights on Jones so they wouldn’t have to use the MLE. They could dump someone else and use some MLE money for an additional player. (Although I think re-signing Giddey and Jones may not leave a lot of money left under the luxury tax line.)
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#7 » by MrSparkle » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:21 pm

Well, there’s still the alternative scenario where Bulls could’ve hard tanked for Flagg, guaranteed bottom-8 and avoided giving the pick to SAS.

Dumped Zach to anyone for a bad contract and whatever crap compensation (mid or late FRP), dumped Coby for a mid FRP, dumped Vuc for that Warriors pair of 2nds, etc.

Which frankly would’ve probably put us in a better situation by 2027, if Chicago committed to the tank for 2Y in a row. It’s been a while since there have been 2 strong drafts in a row.

Nets probably have the right idea.

But obviously that wasn’t gonna happen with Reinsdorf, AK, Billy at the helm.

I’m glad as hell we didn’t give SAS our 12th pick, and we have an interesting/likable team, but unfortunately it’s not going to be good enough unless a miracle happens.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#8 » by kodo » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:21 pm

Kevin Durant got a #10 pick, Lavine got a #12 pick. Desmond Bane and Mikal Bridges got infinity picks.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#9 » by DASMACKDOWN » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:30 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Well, there’s still the alternative scenario where Bulls could’ve hard tanked for Flagg, guaranteed bottom-8 and avoided giving the pick to SAS.


But then the likely hood of giving away next years pick increases. And by most accounts, it might be a better and more deeper draft.

Im glad its over because the constant anxiety of fans keeping track of if we are in position 8 or higher would drive people nuts here.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#10 » by MrSparkle » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:34 pm

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MrSparkle wrote:Well, there’s still the alternative scenario where Bulls could’ve hard tanked for Flagg, guaranteed bottom-8 and avoided giving the pick to SAS.


But then the likely hood of giving away next years pick increases. And by most accounts, it might be a better and more deeper draft.

Im glad its over because the constant anxiety of fans keeping track of if we are in position 8 or higher would drive people nuts here.


Well, they’d have to tank even harder for Boozer.

But I agree. This organization has proven time and time again they won’t go the extra(shameful) mile to tank (atleast since Krause was fired).

And I hate tanking. But I just don’t get the impetus for winning 25-35 games, when at that point you could’ve dumped the expendable vet pieces to just make it 15-20.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#11 » by League Circles » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:30 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:
League Circles wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:I’m not sure Tre Jones re-signing is unlikely. Bulls have a lot of guards but since Ayo, Lonzo and Giddey can guard wings, it’s not a big deal.


Yeah, also, trading down in the draft from 45 to 55 is a possible sign that we intend to use our 15th and final roster spot on a free agent instead of the 2nd rounder, and the most likely FA for us with a portion of the MLE is probably Jones. He's a nice player. Questionable fit for sure, but may give us more trade flexibility. Who knows, maybe we trade Giddey in a package for a superstar in a year or two and then maybe Jones becomes our primary PG. I'm probably against it cause I don't want to commit long term salary, but IMO he's now more likely to return after what happened with our round 2.


They have Bird rights on Jones so they wouldn’t have to use the MLE. They could dump someone else and use some MLE money for an additional player. (Although I think re-signing Giddey and Jones may not leave a lot of money left under the luxury tax line.)


I thought they didn't have his bird rights, or maybe I'm thinking of ufa vs rfa.
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#12 » by sco » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:12 pm

League Circles wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:
League Circles wrote:
Yeah, also, trading down in the draft from 45 to 55 is a possible sign that we intend to use our 15th and final roster spot on a free agent instead of the 2nd rounder, and the most likely FA for us with a portion of the MLE is probably Jones. He's a nice player. Questionable fit for sure, but may give us more trade flexibility. Who knows, maybe we trade Giddey in a package for a superstar in a year or two and then maybe Jones becomes our primary PG. I'm probably against it cause I don't want to commit long term salary, but IMO he's now more likely to return after what happened with our round 2.


They have Bird rights on Jones so they wouldn’t have to use the MLE. They could dump someone else and use some MLE money for an additional player. (Although I think re-signing Giddey and Jones may not leave a lot of money left under the luxury tax line.)


I thought they didn't have his bird rights, or maybe I'm thinking of ufa vs rfa.

Yeah, it's the UFA/RFA thing (at least that was my confusion on him).

Barring a big swing on a guy like Kuminga or Reid, I'd be happy if we keep Jones. He just strikes me as a guy who will have a big impact on winning. And as others have noted, a real PG (and would make Ball and/or Ayo tradeable for additional assets).
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Re: Closing out the Lavine trade to Kings 

Post#13 » by Almost Retired » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:57 pm

Guy Rodgers fan wrote:With the 2025 NBA draft completed, here is how the trade for Zach Lavine ended up from the Bulls perspective:

Bulls gave up:
- Zach Lavine
- #42 pick which is Maxime Raynaud
- 2028 2nd round pick which is still outstanding

Bulls received:
- Zach Collins
- Kevin Huerter
- Tre Jones
- #12 pick which is Noa Essengue

In my view, this was a good trade for the Bulls. They would have lost the first round pick because it was only top 10 protected to the Spurs. I think Noa is a great addition and will complement Matas and Josh very well. Collins and Huerter are solid rotation players. Tre is a good player but it doesn't seem as if he will be back with the Bulls.

There were a lot of journalists saying the Bulls were going to have to give up a first round pick to move Zach. Instead, they got a very talented player who is only 18 with room to grow.

Regarding the #42 pick which is Raynaud, he could have been a nice addition so that is lost value. Apparently, though, the Bulls weren't interested in adding a 2nd round pick to the roster which is why they traded down from #45 to #55 for Olbrich who will either be a two-way contract or stay in Australia.

We'll have a better read on Noa in about 6 months, or so, but the Lavine trade overall looks very good to me.


And to add in an observation, getting rid of Lavine really opened up Giddey's game. And it helped Coby as well. Both those guys had noticeable improvement after Lavine was traded.

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