Lauri Ablaze in Portland with Charlotte

[MasterIchiro]

Blazers(stay serious after adding Dame & Jrue to Avdija in successive offseasons)
Lauri

Jazz (deepen tank after subtracting Sexton & Collins)
J. Grant
Camara
2028 Magic 1st (unprotected)
2030 Blazers/Bucks (more favorable) 1st
J. Green
2026 Magic 1st via Charlotte (24 on Tankathon)

Hornets (get a starting C)
RW III

[JRoy]

Pass for POR.

Too rich for Lauri.

[Myth]

No no no. Horrible for Portland. I’m already worried about what bringing Dame back does to the defense. Swapping Camara (and Grant) for Lauri just makes the defense way worse.

I don’t do Camara by himself for Lauri.
I don’t do the more favorable pick of 2030 alone for Lauri.

Grant, RWIII and the Magic pick is about the highest I go, and I add a top 4 protection to that pick in case things go crazy.

[MasterIchiro]

No no no. Horrible for Portland. I’m already worried about what bringing Dame back does to the defense. Swapping Camara (and Grant) for Lauri just makes the defense way worse.

I don’t do Camara by himself for Lauri.
I don’t do the more favorable pick of 2030 alone for Lauri.

Grant, RWIII and the Magic pick is about the highest I go, and I add a top 4 protection to that pick in case things go crazy.

I guess I'd want to add firepower to Dame given Jrue - Avdija - Clingan are excellent defensively. That trio doesn't carry enough gravity on offense.

[Myth]

No no no. Horrible for Portland. I’m already worried about what bringing Dame back does to the defense. Swapping Camara (and Grant) for Lauri just makes the defense way worse.

I don’t do Camara by himself for Lauri.
I don’t do the more favorable pick of 2030 alone for Lauri.

Grant, RWIII and the Magic pick is about the highest I go, and I add a top 4 protection to that pick in case things go crazy.

I guess I'd want to add firepower to Dame given Jrue - Avdija - Clingan are excellent defensively. That trio doesn't carry enough gravity on offense.

If a team isn’t balanced on both offense and defense (e.g., 2024 Celtics), I’m a much bigger believer in a defensive team carried by a little offense (Rose’s Bulls) than an offensive team with only a couple defenders. This was how I think Blazers failed Lillard in his prime. He needed more defenders around him, not help on offense. Sharpe is also an offense only player. We can’t survive with just a few defenders picking up the slack of multiple bad (some atrocious) defenders. If that was the goal, we could have just kept Simons.

And this is before we get to I think the value is also off.

[MasterIchiro]

No no no. Horrible for Portland. I’m already worried about what bringing Dame back does to the defense. Swapping Camara (and Grant) for Lauri just makes the defense way worse.

I don’t do Camara by himself for Lauri.
I don’t do the more favorable pick of 2030 alone for Lauri.

Grant, RWIII and the Magic pick is about the highest I go, and I add a top 4 protection to that pick in case things go crazy.

I guess I'd want to add firepower to Dame given Jrue - Avdija - Clingan are excellent defensively. That trio doesn't carry enough gravity on offense.

If a team isn’t balanced on both offense and defense (e.g., 2024 Celtics), I’m a much bigger believer in a defensive team carried by a little offense (Rose’s Bulls) than an offensive team with only a couple defenders. This was how I think Blazers failed Lillard in his prime. He needed more defenders around him, not help on offense. Sharpe is also an offense only player. We can’t survive with just a few defenders picking up the slack of multiple bad (some atrocious) defenders. If that was the goal, we could have just kept Simons.

And this is before we get to I think the value is also off.

I'd say Jazz need 1 first for taking Grant alone.

Then 1 prospect (Camara) + 1 first for Lauri to become #2 scoring option after Dame in the starting lineup.

3 of 5 starters can defend.

[BigGargamel]

I guess I'd want to add firepower to Dame given Jrue - Avdija - Clingan are excellent defensively. That trio doesn't carry enough gravity on offense.

If a team isn’t balanced on both offense and defense (e.g., 2024 Celtics), I’m a much bigger believer in a defensive team carried by a little offense (Rose’s Bulls) than an offensive team with only a couple defenders. This was how I think Blazers failed Lillard in his prime. He needed more defenders around him, not help on offense. Sharpe is also an offense only player. We can’t survive with just a few defenders picking up the slack of multiple bad (some atrocious) defenders. If that was the goal, we could have just kept Simons.

And this is before we get to I think the value is also off.

I'd say Jazz need 1 first for taking Grant alone.

Then 1 prospect (Camara) + 1 first for Lauri to become #2 scoring option after Dame in the starting lineup.

3 of 5 starters can defend.

No offense to you, but I don't believe you know anything about Camara if you're assuming he's some prospect to throw into a deal. That guy is the real deal, and you could make an argument he will be Portland's best player next season.

Considering contract, age and overall impact, I probably wouldn't trade Camara for Markkanen straight up.

[MasterIchiro]

If a team isn’t balanced on both offense and defense (e.g., 2024 Celtics), I’m a much bigger believer in a defensive team carried by a little offense (Rose’s Bulls) than an offensive team with only a couple defenders. This was how I think Blazers failed Lillard in his prime. He needed more defenders around him, not help on offense. Sharpe is also an offense only player. We can’t survive with just a few defenders picking up the slack of multiple bad (some atrocious) defenders. If that was the goal, we could have just kept Simons.

And this is before we get to I think the value is also off.

I'd say Jazz need 1 first for taking Grant alone.

Then 1 prospect (Camara) + 1 first for Lauri to become #2 scoring option after Dame in the starting lineup.

3 of 5 starters can defend.

No offense to you, but I don't believe you know anything about Camara if you're assuming he's some prospect to throw into a deal. That guy is the real deal, and you could make an argument he will be Portland's best player next season.

Considering contract, age and overall impact, I probably wouldn't trade Camara for Markkanen straight up.

No offense taken.

I'm assuming Ainge is well aware of Camara's value so Danny is insisting on a legit prospect for Lauri in addition to an unprotected 1st.

The other 1st in the proposal is value he might demand for taking Grant.

[Myth]

I'd say Jazz need 1 first for taking Grant alone.

Then 1 prospect (Camara) + 1 first for Lauri to become #2 scoring option after Dame in the starting lineup.

3 of 5 starters can defend.

No offense to you, but I don't believe you know anything about Camara if you're assuming he's some prospect to throw into a deal. That guy is the real deal, and you could make an argument he will be Portland's best player next season.

Considering contract, age and overall impact, I probably wouldn't trade Camara for Markkanen straight up.

No offense taken.

I'm assuming Ainge is well aware of Camara's value so Danny is insisting on a legit prospect for Lauri in addition to an unprotected 1st.

The other 1st in the proposal is value he might demand for taking Grant.

I consider Lauri a neutral at best on that contract, but arguably negative on that contract. He’s a productive player, coming off an inefficient season, who is overpaid. Grant is a productive player, but less so than Lauri, also coming off an efficient season, who is overpaid, but owed less than Lauri. The most value I add is the 1 1st to swap the 2 and then matching salary filler. The difference between Grant and Lauri on their contracts is not Camara and 3 unprotected 1sts. That is a massive overpay.

[tacos]

Markannen makes 50ish mil... Shoots 42.3% from 2 and 34.6% from 3 and is a suck defender

Camara makes 1.8 million... Shoots 45.8% from 2 and 38.5% from 3 and is one of the best defenders in the league

Then the blazers are sending out an expiring in rw3 two 1sts one of which will be a lotto pick and Grant who has a similarly bad contract to Markannen

This just does not look like good team or asset management to me

[youngthegiant]

Uhhh Utah gotta send 1sts out to get rid of Markkanen's contract....

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Lol Camara and 3 firsts to swap Lauri for Grant? That seems so unbelievably far off.

[jayjaysee]

I know it’s all about Portland overpaying.. but who has Timelord worth a late first and cap space? Feel like CLT is owed a decent 2nd here at least…

That first is probanly really late and has very low upside, but if Paolo or Franz miss a lot of time - it could easily be in the late teens.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Yeah, I love TL more than most but no way he is bringing back a 1st. I'm still happy to keep him despite him not having any value (similar to Thybulle), as I personally find value in having those players in the rotation but they aren't trade assets.

[babyjax13]

I think Camara should be taken out of this, as should the RWill piece. The problem is, I think Lauri is more than two firsts valuable than Grant, so the RWill piece really filled the gap.

[Malapropism]

I'll echo the Camara for Lauri piece is DOA, so this deal is DOA.

I'd rather pay Camara. I'd rather play Camara as well.

[Dame Lizard]

Wow this is disgusting for Portland, no offense.

[GoBobs]

Camara is untouchable. Lauri is worth a mid to late first.

[HornetJail]

I like this a lot more without Camera. A productive player on a rough contract, plus a couple mystery picks feels about right

[tester551]

Blazers(stay serious after adding Dame & Jrue to Avdija in successive offseasons)
Lauri

Jazz (deepen tank after subtracting Sexton & Collins)
J. Grant
Camara
2028 Magic 1st (unprotected)
2030 Blazers/Bucks (more favorable) 1st
J. Green
2026 Magic 1st via Charlotte (24 on Tankathon)

Hornets (get a starting C)
RW III

Absolutely not. Not even in the realm of being close.

Lauri for Grant + RWIII is the most that Id consider

Lauri & Grant have similar value. Both are massively overpaid for what they bring. Lauri is a better player, but he also makes 50% more