Raptors Make Jurassic Move Towards New Era

MasterIchiro · Post #1 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:58 pm

Scottie Barnes for D. Garland.

Cavs reface their frontcourt with Barnes / Mobley, adding some playmaking. This requires a follow up move involving Jarrett Allen.

Raptors reface their backcourt with Garland, moving Quickley to off guard, adding greater spacing to the roster.

Post #2 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:02 pm

I think both teams probably pass but Cleveland passes first, if that makes sense.

hugepatsfan · Post #3 » by **hugepatsfan** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:13 pm

Ingram for Garland feels like the closer starting point if you want to make a player for player. Don't think CLE interested right now in that though. Maybe if Garland seems like a weak link and Ingram plays well.

Post #4 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:17 pm

I don't think Barnes can be the best player on a contender, but I wouldn't give him up in a straight swap for Garland who is even further from that and Barnes figures to fit next to your franchise offensive player no matter his position, Garland doesn't.

Cleveland should take this if it were on the table, but its not likely to be.

Godaddycurse · Post #5 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:26 pm

If we are moving on from barnes (which we wont for another couple years imo) rather get picks to bottom out than get garland.

mademan · Post #6 » by **mademan** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:33 pm

I like Barnes better as a complimentary piece. Beyond that, Quickley will get a chance to show he's worth his contract as last year was derailed by injuries

jayjaysee · Post #7 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:38 pm

I like Barnes with Mobley/Mitchell. Cleveland should do this imo.

Toronto shouldn’t. If you’ve decided you were wrong on Barnes or can’t find the star you need with him, you should be willing to bottom out for 1-2 years.

If Garland has enough value to bring a strong rebuilding package in, then I think there could be a three team deal here? But I think most teams take Barnes over Garland, so would be tough for Cleveland to stay in that deal..

MasterIchiro · Post #8 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:05 pm

jayjaysee wrote:I like Barnes with Mobley/Mitchell. Cleveland should do this imo.

Toronto shouldn’t. If you’ve decided you were wrong on Barnes or can’t find the star you need with him, you should be willing to bottom out for 1-2 years.

If Garland has enough value to bring a strong rebuilding package in, then I think there could be a three team deal here? But I think most teams take Barnes over Garland, so would be tough for Cleveland to stay in that deal..

I can see the Nets positioned to offer a rebuild package for Garland in advance of the 2026-2027 season leading up to the 2027 draft where the Rockets can swap their 1st round pick unprotected.

Nets look nothing like a win-now team, but that can always change in a hurry. We've seen the Nets recharge overnight. They have tons of cap, draft capital, and large market resources they can allocate to free agency.

Garland can run offense for a serious playoff team, and he's still in his prime.

bgrep14 · Post #9 » by **bgrep14** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:08 pm

I'd do it for Cleveland

Post #10 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:31 pm

If Barnes is going to Cleveland Mobley is going to Toronto. I like Garland but he's a bad fit with Quickley.

If Toronto is moving Barnes it's to bottom out for high picks in the next few years

tcheco · Post #11 » by **tcheco** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:08 pm

Hard to see this happening, with IQ already on board, him and Garland can't coexist and IQ being moved right now seems unlikely. Barnes is not a flight risk player so no rush to make a trade that doesn't fit with the current team either, Raptors seem willing to see this season unfold with their top players, with minor trades being way more likely than making all those moves to do such a sharp turn out of noewhere

Post #12 » by **Mavrelous** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:14 pm

Raps are owed value in this exchange.
Barnes/Poeltl for Garland/JAFRO is closer, but also a bit short.

Post #13 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 5:49 pm

The Cavs would have to move Allen after this, and not for Poeltl as some have suggested. They'd be giving up a lot efficiency and spacing. Mobley would have to move to the 5. I could squint and see it, but it's a major gamble and Barnes was unimpressive in his one postseason appearance. It wouldn't happen this season.

Godaddycurse · Post #14 » by **Godaddycurse** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 5:58 pm

jbk1234 wrote:The Cavs would have to move Allen after this, and not for Poeltl as some have suggested. They'd be giving up a lot efficiency and spacing. Mobley would have to move to the 5. I could squint and see it, but it's a major gamble and Barnes was unimpressive in his one postseason appearance. It wouldn't happen this season.

embiid stepped on his foot/ankle... he was playing well prior to that and wasn't 100% after rushing back

Post #15 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 6:04 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:The Cavs would have to move Allen after this, and not for Poeltl as some have suggested. They'd be giving up a lot efficiency and spacing. Mobley would have to move to the 5. I could squint and see it, but it's a major gamble and Barnes was unimpressive in his one postseason appearance. It wouldn't happen this season.

embiid stepped on his foot/ankle... he was playing well prior to that and wasn't 100% after rushing back

I'd be concerned about how he'd handle a playoff whistle. His frustrations already boil over when he doesn't get touch calls in the regular season.

Beyond that, if the Cavs were open to trading Garland this season, Ty Jerome would still be on the roster. This would be a major overhaul because Allen would absolutely have to go, and they seem content to run it back one more time.

Post #16 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 10:15 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Raps are owed value in this exchange.
Barnes/Poeltl for Garland/JAFRO is closer, but also a bit short.

I can't see Toronto doing this the slight upgrade from Poeltl to Allen isn't worth a massive downgrade from Barnes to Garland. I have Garland as a more polished Quickley and both can't coexist so again Toronto doesn't want Garland for Barnes

One_and_Done · Post #17 » by **One_and_Done** » Sat Aug 2, 2025 1:34 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Scottie Barnes for D. Garland.

Cavs reface their frontcourt with Barnes / Mobley, adding some playmaking. This requires a follow up move involving Jarrett Allen.

Raptors reface their backcourt with Garland, moving Quickley to off guard, adding greater spacing to the roster.

Garland is more valuable than Barnes though. Nor do I think the Cavs need the headache that come with trying to work everything around Barnes limitations. They should target a 3 who can shoot.