MIL/MIA/HOU.LAC

[DanTown8587]

MIL GETS: G Daquean Cook, G Jason Williams, G/F Corey Maggette, G Sam Cassell F Aaron Williams G Rafer Alston

MIA Gets: G Mo Williams F Karl Landry

Houston Gets: G Cutino Mobley F Charlie Villanueva C Dan Gadzuric F David Noel, Milwaukee #1 (top 10 in 08, top 5 in 09, no protection 10), LA Clippers #1 in 2009 (swap pick) or 2010 (no protection)

LA Clippers get: G Michael Redd F Luis Scola G Kirk Snyder G Mike James

Milwaukee gets to trade Redd, Williams and Villanueva, and dump Gadzuric. In the process it also parts with a #1, but it gets a lot of flexibility as they take on almost 17 million in expiring deals. The Heat plain and simple get the PG they wanted in Mo Williams and really give up an expiring and a G who is blocked by Wade. The Rockets get a good third option in Mobley and bench scoring in Villaneuva. They do tie up some salary down the road, but that draft pick helps some, as does getting rid of both Mike James and Rafer Alston, and the ability to swap with the Clippers in 2009. They would get to play Brooks more (who I think Adleman likes). The Clippers give up a world of expiring deals to get Redd, a perfect compliment to a healthy Brand and Kaman and James, a reliable backup PG and SG. They also are rid of Mobley's three years and pick up Scola, who would get minutes there. The trade also gets Al Thornton into the starting lineup.

[trwi7]

This is just awful for the Milwaukee. We get one young guy while trading a young guy and all we get back for Redd and Mo are expiring contracts and Mike James? We don't even get more young guys/picks and get to dump one of our bad contracts?

[DanTown8587]

In light of the fact that I forgot to dump Gadzuric's contract, this deal would hinge on Houston wanting Mobley to score and Gadzuric to defend. Its very hard to find a market for 4/21 C who doesn't score, so Mil would have to give up a first round pick (top 10 in 08, top 5 in 09, no protection in 10) to get his contract out to Houston. The trade has been edited.

[skones]

Milwaukee has to give a first round pick AFTER getting raped everywhere else in this deal? That's LAUGHABLE.

[trwi7]

What the hell? This is still awful for the Bucks. Now what you're saying is we have to add a 1st round pick just for the luxury of trimming one year off Gadzuric's contract.

[DanTown8587]

re-read and you will see the lack of being raped in this deal. They get expiring and dump, so yes a pick would have to go. They could if they choose have a top seven or eight with Cook, Maggette, Bell and Alston in the backcourt and Yi, Bogut, Williams and a pluthera of FA guys to the frountcourt.

[DanTown8587]

What the hell? This is still awful for the Bucks. Now what you're saying is we have to add a 1st round pick just for the luxury of trimming one year off Gadzuric's contract.

NO One would take his contract in any deal without giving up more talent than you can or a pick. Tell me why you love this pick so much if its top 10 and top 5 protected?

[trwi7]

re-read and you will see the lack of being raped in this deal. They get expiring and dump, so yes a pick would have to go. They could if they choose have a top seven or eight with Cook, Maggette, Bell and Alston in the backcourt and Yi, Bogut, Williams and a pluthera of FA guys to the frountcourt.

I read the trade perfectly well. This is basically what it is.

Bucks trade:

Dan Gadzuric
Michael Redd
Mo Williams
Charlie Villanueva
2008 top 10 protected 1st round pick, top 5 protection in 2009, no protection in 2010.

Bucks recieve:

Corey Maggette
Jason Williams
Daquean Cook
Sam Cassell
Aaron Williams
Rafer Alston

Again this is what we're doing we're trading Gadzuric for one less year of a contract in Alston, we're trading Redd for a lesser player in Maggette, we're trading Mo for a lesser player in Williams and then we trade CV and a 1st round pick for Cassell, Williams and Cook. You honestly can't see how that is atrocious for Milwaukee?

[DanTown8587]

Plus, look around the league and tell me how Atlanta can keep Smith and Childress, how Golden State can keep Biedirns, Ellis, Barnes, Azubike and Pietrus. Maybe Charlotte lets Okafor go and you move Yi to the three. Chicago can't keep Deng and Gordon. Arenas might opt out in Washington, maybe letting Jamison go. So this deal frees you up to be the most aggressive team in the off season.

[trwi7]

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NO One would take his contract in any deal without giving up more talent than you can or a pick. Tell me why you love this pick so much if its top 10 and top 5 protected?

If we're trading Redd and Mo it means we're rebuilding which means we shouldn't be TRADING picks. Is that hard to understand?

[DanTown8587]

I don't think CV has a place on your team, I mean if you keep Yi and Bogut he never starts, and Redd to Maggette is like A- to B+. You get a year of the Gadzuric deal for a guy who would play for you, three years of a rookie contract and like I said, the ability to be aggressive in the FA market. Plus, you do probably keep your pick and if that is a good pick, you can get a guy like a Gordon or Rose or Beasley or even a Mayo. Alston saves you 6 million dollars, so don't right it off as its nothing either.

[vincecarter4pres]

Horrible trade for the Bucks.

They could trade almost all those guys seperately and get expirings, 1st rounders and or a few prospects for each indivual deal.

[skones]

MIL GETS: G Daquean Cook, G Jason Williams, G/F Corey Maggette, G Sam Cassell F Aaron Williams G Rafer Alston

MIA Gets: G Mo Williams F Karl Landry

Houston Gets: G Cutino Mobley F Charlie Villanueva C Dan Gadzuric F David Noel, Milwaukee #1 (top 10 in 08, top 5 in 09, no protection 10), LA Clippers #1 in 2009 (swap pick) or 2010 (no protection)

LA Clippers get: G Michael Redd F Luis Scola G Kirk Snyder G Mike James

Milwaukee gets to trade Redd, Williams and Villanueva, and dump Gadzuric. In the process it also parts with a #1, but it gets a lot of flexibility as they take on almost 17 million in expiring deals. The Heat plain and simple get the PG they wanted in Mo Williams and really give up an expiring and a G who is blocked by Wade. The Rockets get a good third option in Mobley and bench scoring in Villaneuva. They do tie up some salary down the road, but that draft pick helps some, as does getting rid of both Mike James and Rafer Alston, and the ability to swap with the Clippers in 2009. They would get to play Brooks more (who I think Adleman likes). The Clippers give up a world of expiring deals to get Redd, a perfect compliment to a healthy Brand and Kaman and James, a reliable backup PG and SG. They also are rid of Mobley's three years and pick up Scola, who would get minutes there. The trade also gets Al Thornton into the starting lineup.

Hmm Lets see:
Mo Williams
Michael Redd
Charlie Villanueva
Dan Gadzuric
David Noel
1st Round Pick

for

Daequan Cook
Jason Williams
Corey Maggete
Sam Cassell
Aaron Williams
Rafer Alston

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Do you not see the idiocy in the trade you proposed? We give up a star in Michael Redd. We give up a very good young point guard in Mo Williams, a young offensively talented Villanueva, and a 1st round pick for what? FOR WHAT?!

I fail to see how a 1st plus Gadzuric = Alston. What exactly do we gain as far as our rebuilding process? Our team is now Bogut, Yi, and Cook? EXCELLENT. You do realize when you blow up a team you generally keep your first round picks? We don't even have that luxury here. Just an AWFUL AWFUL proposal.

[DanTown8587]

No one trades an expiring for Redd or Gadzuric.

[vincecarter4pres]

Plus, look around the league and tell me how Atlanta can keep Smith and Childress, how Golden State can keep Biedirns, Ellis, Barnes, Azubike and Pietrus. Maybe Charlotte lets Okafor go and you move Yi to the three. Chicago can't keep Deng and Gordon. Arenas might opt out in Washington, maybe letting Jamison go. So this deal frees you up to be the most aggressive team in the off season.

Yeah, cause you know how many big time free agents want to sign in Milwaukee, excuse me Milwaukee with a talent gutted roster.

And if they do, you know they will play for the less or the same as they would to stay where they are or play somewhere else.

*please note harsh sarcasm*

[DanTown8587]

Ok, you can either have Redd lead a **** team with bad contracts going nowhere fast or blow it up, give it two years and give away the pick in 2010. Honestly, its protected in 08 so if you suck you still get it and if you still suck, you still get the pick in 09. Tell me where this team is going right now? It involves risk, as all trades do, but the reason I did it was to get cap flexibility and Maggette could give you 90% of Redd's scoring.

[trwi7]

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Yeah, cause you know how many big time free agents want to sign in Milwaukee, excuse me Milwaukee with a talent gutted roster.

Exactly. Bobby Simmons is one of the best free agents we've ever signed so that should tell you a lot.

[vincecarter4pres]

Actually a lot of teams would trade an expiring and a pick or 2 or a young prospect for Redd or Mo Williams.

If Gadzuric is included in one of the deals, they would obviously get slightly less compensation, or have to take on one slighty less bad contract.

[DanTown8587]

I love how you protect the roster of a 13-20 team as if I took a playoff team and started over.

[trwi7]

Ok, you can either have Redd lead a **** team with bad contracts going nowhere fast or blow it up, give it two years and give away the pick in 2010. Honestly, its protected in 08 so if you suck you still get it and if you still suck, you still get the pick in 09. Tell me where this team is going right now? It involves risk, as all trades do, but the reason I did it was to get cap flexibility and Maggette could give you 90% of Redd's scoring.

Again you've yet to explain how this helps us rebuild. The only thing you've said is this team is going nowhere fast. Well if the choices were between waiting for all our crappy contracts to expire or do this **** trade I'd wait for all of our crappy contracts to expire. That's how bad I think this is. Honestly one of the worst I've ever seen.