Nets/Bulls - Talking Trade

Jordan45822 · Post #1 » by **Jordan45822** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:41 pm

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/ ... _deal.html

Nocioni + Sefolosha

for

Maagloire + Nachbar + Wright + Marcus Williams

(also reptored that others could be involved)

Pugsley_2491 · Post #2 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:01 pm

dont wanna deal marcus for bench players

hermes · Post #3 » by **hermes** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:33 pm

nets don't give up marcus that easily

dflaschberger · Post #4 » by **dflaschberger** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:16 pm

NO WAY the bulls send out noc and thabo for this junk

Jordan45822 · Post #5 » by **Jordan45822** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:21 pm

I would do it if I am the Bulls if you want a future PG and good salary dump. I like Nachbar too.

Dflash, Paxson and JR would do it fast if it mean dumping salary they are cheap. They need the cap space.

Mascot · Post #6 » by **Mascot** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:31 pm

This is a no brainer for the Nets, Nocioni has been the only good player on the bulls this season.

Giving up Marcus is bad but they can stick Nocioni in the PF position.

Kidd
Carter
Jefferson
Nocioni
Williams

nice starting lineup

lakerfan10770 · Post #7 » by **lakerfan10770** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:36 pm

This trade doesn't work due to Nocioni's BYC status, but if Magloire was sent to the Warriors (using their TPE), then it would work.

Even though it could be done, I don't really see how this deal makes either the Nets or Bulls better. Both teams are in need of a low post back to the basket scorer.

Friend_Of_Haley · Post #8 » by **Friend_Of_Haley** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:02 pm

As far as not working, on the Bulls board, a deal was suggested that Duhon instead of Thabo would work. I know thats probably not as appealing for New Jersey, but Chicago is giving up the best player in the deal. Even if taking out Thabo meant removing Williams and replacing it with like a future second rounder or something, I could live with that as a Bulls fan.

gobullschi · Post #9 » by **gobullschi** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:28 pm

What about?
Bulls Trade:
Chris Duhon, Andres Nocioni, Joe Smith, and Adrian Griffin
Bulls Receive:
Jamaal Magloire, Antoine Wright, Bostjan Nachbar, Jason Collins, 2008 2nd Round Pick, and Darrel Armstrong

Bulls Roster:
PG: Kirk Hinrich/Darrel Armstrong
SG: Ben Gordon/Antoine Wright
SF: Luol Deng/Thabo Sefolosha
PF: Tyrus Thomas/Bostjan Nachbar/Jason Collins
C: Ben Wallace/Joakim Noah/Jamaal Magloire

Nets Roster:
PG: Jason Kidd/Chris Duhon
SG: Vince Carter/Adrian Griffin
SF: Richard Jefferson/Andres Nocioni
PF: Josh Boone/Sean Williams
C: Joe Smith/Nenad Kristic/Malik Allen

I mean I personally don't even like the basis of the trade. But i figure that this trade gives the nets a big man that can actually play plus Nocioni...

Post #10 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:39 pm

Warriors wouldn't take Magliore's deal (b/c of the extra year) without some other incentive.

Friend_Of_Haley · Post #11 » by **Friend_Of_Haley** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:59 pm

gswhoops wrote:Warriors wouldn't take Magliore's deal (b/c of the extra year) without some other incentive.

What extra year? He is expiring. Are you thinking of Collins?

pad300 · Post #12 » by **pad300** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:17 pm

Friend_Of_Haley wrote:As far as not working, on the Bulls board, a deal was suggested that Duhon instead of Thabo would work. I know thats probably not as appealing for New Jersey, but Chicago is giving up the best player in the deal. Even if taking out Thabo meant removing Williams and replacing it with like a future second rounder or something, I could live with that as a Bulls fan.

So the price for Nocioni and Selafosha/Duhon is expiring contracts and a point guard who has played 2 minutes (total) this year...

Talk to the Spurs friend, I think they might offer more value...

Nocioni's BYC value - 8.5 Million current salary, previous salary 3.95 M. Half of 8.5 M is 4.25M. His outgoing value is 4.25M

Duhon is worth 3,248,000, Selafosha 1,805,160

The Duhon/Noc combo is worth ~7.5 M (going out) and ~ 11..75 M (coming in).

The Thabo/Noc Combo is worth ~6.1 M going out and ~ 10.3 coming in.

Running the math, assuming both teams over salary cap, the returning package to Chi must be
for Thabo&Noc - worth less than 7.67M & more than 8.16 M (ie. to do this, some sort of Trade exception is needed)
for Duhon & NOC - worth less than 9.47 M and more than 9.32 M (ie you can do this without a Trade Exception).
add a minimum salary to the Duhon&Noc package makes to the bulls between 9.66 and 10 M.

SA can offer
Barry, Elson, Vaughn
for
Nocioni, Duhon, Scrub (to be waived for the Bulls to resign)

Either side might ask for picks (eg SA 1st for Chi's best available 2nd). Also, SA does have a Trade exception, http://www.realgm.com/src_team_exceptions/all/ , but don't know for how much, so I haven't used it...

Friend_Of_Haley · Post #13 » by **Friend_Of_Haley** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:24 pm

What point guard are you talking about that has played a total of two minutes this year?

pad300 · Post #14 » by **pad300** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:40 pm

Friend_Of_Haley wrote:What point guard are you talking about that has played a total of two minutes this year?

Sorry, their appears to be something screwed up in William's profile ...

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/67 ... _williams/

The last line in the Stats block says he played 1 game for a total of 2 minutes in 07/08. Mind you, looking at it closely, it also says he is playing for San Antonio... and the line before has him playing for NJ (which he actually does) Something is F'ed up. Still, he's nothing that I would call more than a back-up PG. From his 1st year to 2nd year, his stats have dropped across the board... Not a good sign when he is supposed to be developing (Mpg 16.6 to 9.7, Rb/40 5.1 to 4.5, Ast/40 8 to 5.8, St/40 1 to 0.8, Pts/40 16.4 to 13.6, FG% 39.5 to 28.3).

Friend_Of_Haley · Post #15 » by **Friend_Of_Haley** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:08 pm

Different Marcus Williams. Same mistake was made on the Bulls board. Some people seem to think he has good potential, I'm not quite sure.

greenbeans · Post #16 » by **greenbeans** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:23 pm

oh boy, i think Nocioni would be having mighgtmares if he came to the atlantic as a pf. . Garnett, Bosh, Randolph. . and last but not least. . . REGGIE EVANS!!!

Cliff Levingston · Post #17 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:28 pm

greenbeans wrote:oh boy, i think Nocioni would be having mighgtmares if he came to the atlantic as a pf. . Garnett, Bosh, Randolph. . and last but not least. . . REGGIE EVANS!!!

Good thing divisions mean almost nothing in the NBA then.

greenbeans · Post #18 » by **greenbeans** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:41 pm

true, they only have 6 division games left. he should be scared of playing pf on a regular basis no matter where he goes though imo

N.O.R.E. · Post #19 » by **N.O.R.E.** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:06 am

I think the rumoured deal is actually pretty good for both teams.

ecuhus1981 · Post #20 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:52 am

Disgusting for NJ.

We trade all of our "trade filler" expirings, and it does not make us much better, if at all. It does however derail plans for fiscal responsibility, with Andres' oversized contract. People see this as a stepping stone trade, on the path to a larger deal with RJ for a bigman; but if we trade our expirings, we don't have enough incentive to do any of those trades. Without at least surrendering two our of young bigman trio, that is.

Smells like Kiki, and I don't like it...