what kind of contract will Jamison get?

[sixersinsider]

How much will Jamison get this summer??? How much is he worth???

[BigA]

We have a thread covering the Wizards' FA situation in general that has dropped to the second page. My recollection of the gist of this, regarding Jamison:

--Wizards are probably in a position to sign Jamison at 4-5 years for between $7 million and $9 million per year. They can do this AND sign Arenas to a max or near-max deal this summer.

--Plurality of the board probably agrees that AJ is worth something in this range.

--Summer of 09 will be tight luxury-tax wise unless some salary is offloaded, so the structure of Jamison's contract could be important (e.g. a declining salary deal for a given total of $32-$36 million over 4 years might make sense).

--Unclear who might be in the market for AJ at a price above the MLE. Charlotte or Philly? Probably only a couple teams at most.

--Unclear whether AJ would go somewhere else and play for the MLE for a team with a better chance at a title than the Wizards, we judge it unlikely.

The mods are quick to lock redundant threads here, but this question is pretty specific. Would probably be briefly discussed and drop.

[ZonkertheBrainless]

This worries me too, AJ playing the way he has may be able to demand more than we can offer. If we let him go we have to replace him with a mle player and that's going to be a big step down. But I'm also worried about having a huge albatross contract when AJ is 36, that could really hurt us as AJ loses what little athletic ability he has...

damn that sounded cold. AJ, I love you man, I don't mean it like that...

[Donkey McDonkerton]

AJ is too smart to end up in a Hughes situation. Take all that money and be unhappy, not gonna happen. I'm thinking he is going to stick around.

[BigA]

Thing is, any team that has cap space above the MLE to chase Jamison would then NOT be a player for Arenas.

[Rafael122]

Jamison will be the biggest free agent out there when you take into account how many players have options and how many will re-sign before hitting the market.

[miller31time]

I don't think any other team (at least a team that will have a lot of capspace) will give Jamison the offensive freedom that Eddie Jordan and the Washington Wizards give him.

Unless Golden State manages a way to get him.

[jmrosenth]

--Unclear whether AJ would go somewhere else and play for the MLE for a team with a better chance at a title than the Wizards, we judge it unlikely.

That's probably the biggest danger IMO. He could pull a Gil and use it for leverage, ie, "If I don't get $10mill a year I'll take San Antonio's MLE."

But Jamison doesn't really seem like the type of guy who would pull that. I think he'll agree to something that's mutually beneficial to both parties (3/27 or 4/32) with a contract that deescalates.

I don't think he'll pull a Hughes and be offended by an initial contract offer and walk. He understand this is a business and is a very smart dude. I think he enjoys the notoriety he's gained here in Washington. Became an All-Star. Became a leader and father figure to a young team. Sportsmanship awards and such. Good fit for his coaches offense. Etc.

And I also think that he believes he already he's made more than enough money already for his family, and his family's families. Him and Brendan have invested very wisely with a financial advisor out of the Charlotte area.

[sixersinsider]

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miller 31 wrote I dont think any other team(At least a team that will have a lot of cap space) will give jamison the offensive freedom that eddie jordan and the wizards give him.

The only reason an nba franchise would be intrested in Jamison is because of his offesive skillset .
1 He is not alockdown defender
2 he can avearage 20 plus points in a playoff series
3 He is what he is a scorer.
Unfourtunatley the nba is a bitness and all buisnesmen are in the buisness of making money,,,,,,or in the nba winning chips,,,,,Please dont be silly enough to beieve he wont leave the wizards if he is offered an average or almost insulting salary AKA Larry hughes. Salarys in the NBA are used as measuring sticks the reason they call it money is because you can never have enough.. with that being said i can see another team offering him a 3 year 33 million dollar contract with a team option on the third year [/quote]

[JonoMike13]

miller 31 wrote I dont think any other team(At least a team that will have a lot of cap space) will give jamison the offensive freedom that eddie jordan and the wizards give him.

The only reason an nba franchise would be intrested in Jamison is because of his offesive skillset .
1 He is not alockdown defender
2 he can avearage 20 plus points in a playoff series
3 He is what he is a scorer.
Unfourtunatley the nba is a bitness and all buisnesmen are in the buisness of making money,,,,,,or in the nba winning chips,,,,,Please dont be silly enough to beieve he wont leave the wizards if he is offered an average or almost insulting salary AKA Larry hughes. Salarys in the NBA are used as measuring sticks the reason they call it money is because you can never have enough.. with that being said i can see another team offering him a 3 year 33 million dollar contract with a team option on the third year

Yeah, what he said!

....I think.

Wait, what?

[FreeBalling]

Jamison is 6th in double-double and making 16mill, you know he has a market. I read some of the other threads suggesting a low dollar amount. No way Jamison signs for MLE or anything less than 12mill.

Yea if he want to win a ring, sure he can take less.

Gils MAX contract is going to make adding good players difficult.

[nate33]

Jamison is 6th in double-double and making 16mill, you know he has a market. I read some of the other threads suggesting a low dollar amount. No way Jamison signs for MLE or anything less than 12mill.

There is this funny little economic theory called "supply and demand". Jamison can demand all the money he wants, but he is limited by the supply of money available.

Right now, the only teams with significant cap room are Philly and Atlanta. Philly has about $10M available, but they're in total rebuilding mode and aren't interested in a 32-year-old forward. Atlanta has about $11M available, but they already have more forwards than they know what to do with.

Nobody else has cap room. Jamison can choose to play for a contender for the MLE or he can play with us. And let's not forget that we might also be a contender with a healthy Arenas and we have a system that perfectly suits Jamison's skills.

If you are Jamison, do you play for the Cavs/Spurs as a role player for a 3 year/$18M contract and have maybe a 25% shot at a championship; or do you play for the Wizards as a star and a leader for a 4 year/$32M contract and have maybe a 10% shot at a championship? (And there's no guarantee that the Cavs/Spurs even extend such a deal.)

[pineappleheadindc]

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This is semi-related to Nate's post above.

The era of free spending on FAs seems to be over. Unless you're Isiah or maybe Cuban, owners don't want to hit lux tax territory. That has functioned, in real life, as a hard and fast cap.

I'm thinking about Ben Gordon and Luol Deng turning down offers over this past off season. I guess they could take the QO for next year and then test the waters, but I don't know what teams' cap situation will be off-season after this one coming up. I hope Gordon and Deng's agents know, though.

[miller31time]

There is this funny little economic theory called "supply and demand". Jamison can demand all the money he wants, but he is limited by the supply of money available.

Right now, the only teams with significant cap room are Philly and Atlanta. Philly has about $10M available, but they're in total rebuilding mode and aren't interested in a 32-year-old forward. Atlanta has about $11M available, but they already have more forwards than they know what to do with.

Nobody else has cap room. Jamison can choose to play for a contender for the MLE or he can play with us. And let's not forget that we might also be a contender with a healthy Arenas and we have a system that perfectly suits Jamison's skills.

If you are Jamison, do you play for the Cavs/Spurs as a role player for a 3 year/$18M contract and have maybe a 25% shot at a championship; or do you play for the Wizards as a star and a leader for a 4 year/$32M contract and have maybe a 10% shot at a championship? (And there's no guarantee that the Cavs/Spurs even extend such a deal.)

Supply and demand be damned, you know he'll get 10-12 million per season on continuity alone.

[WizardsWorld]

Ya we are all hoping for him to get somewhere in the 4/32 range... but when it comes down to it I dont think he'll get any less than 4/40 and might even bargain it up to 5/50. I think 4 years is the perfect contract but with negotiations and all his agent might get him 5 after the year he's having. And Im pretty sure Wiz will offer like 8 a year... he'll ask for 11-12 and they'll settled on 10 with yes hopefully a declining contract... if he goes 4/40 then something like 12mil next year... 10mil the following two years and 8mil in his last year.

[Wiz99]

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Supply and demand be damned, you know he'll get 10-12 million per season on continuity alone.

And there's the "loyalty bonus" Abe Pollin seems to love doling out. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 6 year $75 mil contract handed out at Abe's command, marketed as "a plan to make sure Jamison retires as a Wizard", where we end up bidding against no one but ourselves.

Ugh.

Guy's 32. He's a second tier star in this league. I have to imagine he won't even be that at age 35 or 36. Look how Shaq has declined so precipitously after 34. It just happens.

I'd be happy with a 3 or 4 year deal around $10 mil a year. I think that's fair for all parties, unless Atlanta or Philly really decides to go after him.

[FreeBalling]

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There is this funny little economic theory called "supply and demand". Jamison can demand all the money he wants, but he is limited by the supply of money available.

Right now, the only teams with significant cap room are Philly and Atlanta. Philly has about $10M available, but they're in total rebuilding mode and aren't interested in a 32-year-old forward. Atlanta has about $11M available, but they already have more forwards than they know what to do with.

Nobody else has cap room. Jamison can choose to play for a contender for the MLE or he can play with us. And let's not forget that we might also be a contender with a healthy Arenas and we have a system that perfectly suits Jamison's skills.

If you are Jamison, do you play for the Cavs/Spurs as a role player for a 3 year/$18M contract and have maybe a 25% shot at a championship; or do you play for the Wizards as a star and a leader for a 4 year/$32M contract and have maybe a 10% shot at a championship? (And there's no guarantee that the Cavs/Spurs even extend such a deal.)

Nate, I dont want AJ to leave, we need AJ to win.

The Wizards are 15th out of 32 teams in salaries @ 67.5M. Top slot is Dallas 93.6M low man is the Bobcats @ 52.7

If all the owners play fair I think your solutions above works, on the other hand some owners are willing to go way over the cap to build a contender.

Lets talk about spending money, I come from the school that it takes money to make money. If you spent 5mill to make 15mill sounds like a no brainer,

Better players bring to the table:
1.) National TV.
2.) More seats sold / LUX Boxes.
3.) Increased merchandize sales.
4.) Respect - other players will join your club to play.

We are talking about Abe a man with a proven business methodology.

Do you think the Mavs owner is taking a major loss every season just to have a better team? He's is cash positive because he keeps spending and his marketing/brand awareness is working,

Production, AJ is producing so people will pay. Ruffin no production.

So pick a number for AJ I'll give you a +/- of 2 mill per year. I'm staying with 12 mill.

[BigA]

If EG/Abe would be willing to hit the luxury tax, bidding against themselves, to pay Jamison $12 million a year, wouldn't it be a better investment to pay Brand $15-16 million a year? Assuming they resign Arenas as well.

[MJG]

If EG/Abe would be willing to hit the luxury tax, bidding against themselves, to pay Jamison $12 million a year, wouldn't it be a better investment to pay Brand $15-16 million a year? Assuming they resign Arenas as well.

We can't sign Brand, as we don't have any cap room.

For the past year and a half, I've thought Jamison would get either a three or four year deal at ten million per. I'll stick by that.

[BigA]

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We can't sign Brand, as we don't have any cap room.

It's hard to keep all this stuff straight in my head.

We'll see what the Wizards offer, and whether any other suitors come out of the woodwork.