Tonight he did play well offensively in the first half but in the second half he came in for Rip with 8 mins left in the third with a 5 or 6 point lead, when he was taken out we were down five going into the fourth. Thats a ten or eleven point difference in his eight minutes. I know he has played well as of late but i remember when Stuckey would have come in a hinder the team during the beginning of his rehab and most people here were calling for him to be a very small part of the rotation. Afflalo was getting abused by Kobe(most people do) but he wasnt even containing him. Kobe was going off and Afflalo was fouling him and not even making it difficult for him. If Afflalo isnt effective defensively he is pretty much useless tonight being one of his few good games offensively.
On the other hand Stuckey is starting to show his ability to run the second unit with his play over the past couple games. I understand they are a big part of the rotation but why the discrimination against Stuckey when he plays bad but Afflalo seems to do no wrong.
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Kobe was hitting very tough shots in that second half.
As you can see, he also had 3 TO's in that span.
Kobe was scoring on everyone in the second half, and Kobe certainly had the benefit of the whistle.
To make a thread bashing Afflalo for a few minutes of getting abused by Kobe is stupid.
Aaron has been pure hustle, hardwork, and good D for the PIstons.
Billups has talked about when Afflalo is on the floor, he really trusts him which he doesn't usual feel when a rookie is out there with him.
Kobe was hitting very tough shots in that second half.
As you can see, he also had 3 TO's in that span.
Kobe was scoring on everyone in the second half, and Kobe certainly had the benefit of the whistle.
To make a thread bashing Afflalo for a few minutes of getting abused by Kobe is stupid.
Aaron has been pure hustle, hardwork, and good D for the PIstons.
Billups has talked about when Afflalo is on the floor, he really trusts him which he doesn't usual feel when a rookie is out there with him.
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And to answer why have people been upset with Stuckey?
Look at these stats...
http://www.82games.com/0708/0708DET.HTM
Afflalo +1.5 while Stuckey is -12.5
Afflalo has had the most positive impact of any nonstarter. He has actually helped the team win.
Stuckey has been the worst player on the team! Behind Herman and Brezec. When Stuckey's been in this season we've been completely outscored big time.
Look at these stats...
http://www.82games.com/0708/0708DET.HTM
Afflalo +1.5 while Stuckey is -12.5
Afflalo has had the most positive impact of any nonstarter. He has actually helped the team win.
Stuckey has been the worst player on the team! Behind Herman and Brezec. When Stuckey's been in this season we've been completely outscored big time.
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Champs04bigshot wrote:Tonight he did play well offensively in the first half but in the second half he came in for Rip with 8 mins left in the third with a 5 or 6 point lead, when he was taken out we were down five going into the fourth. Thats a ten or eleven point difference in his eight minutes. I know he has played well as of late but i remember when Stuckey would have come in a hinder the team during the beginning of his rehab and most people here were calling for him to be a very small part of the rotation. Afflalo was getting abused by Kobe(most people do) but he wasnt even containing him. Kobe was going off and Afflalo was fouling him and not even making it difficult for him. If Afflalo isnt effective defensively he is pretty much useless tonight being one of his few good games offensively.
On the other hand Stuckey is starting to show his ability to run the second unit with his play over the past couple games. I understand they are a big part of the rotation but why the discrimination against Stuckey when he plays bad but Afflalo seems to do no wrong.
i dont understand your irrational hate for afflalo and man crush on Stuckey...
i have defended Stuckey when ppl were putting him down but everything i see you post on Afflalo is stupid irrational hate of the kid who has done nothing but play hard (takes it hard to the rim, few nice assists to Amir/Max) and make some shots. he hustles, is efficient and plays good defense everytime he's on the court and you're gonna bitch about Kobe scoring on him? Kobe scores on everyone including Tay (our supposed defensive stopper). in fact since you love Stuckey so much, Flip should have put him on Kobe and let's see what would have happened...
Most ppl here say that they see Afflalo as a bench player or him in the mould of Bowen, but i see him being a starter that averages numbers similar to Tay at some point in his career (who knows maybe better). I think Joe sees some of himself in the kid and thinks of him as the real deal.
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Afflalo has played consistently well, Stuckey has played consistently sloppy. One has earned the right to get a pass for a bad game, one hasn't.
And this is just spewing irrational hatred because Afflalo didn't even have a bad game. Way to disregard all the good things he did on the floor. He knocked down some shots and gave his best effort like always. When Kobe is in a zone, he's in a zone.
And this is just spewing irrational hatred because Afflalo didn't even have a bad game. Way to disregard all the good things he did on the floor. He knocked down some shots and gave his best effort like always. When Kobe is in a zone, he's in a zone.
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First the OP made a thread that condemned Amir Johnson and praised Stuckey. Now, he makes a thread that condemns Arron Affllo and praises Stuckey.
On his defence on Kobe Bryant. It was as good as can be expected from anyone guarding Kobe. Bryant was going to get his, he burned Rip and he burned Tayshaun. This is what I love from Afflalo, two straigt possesions Kobe shot right over him from the same spot (one was a three, the other just in front of the 3 point line) yet Afflalo did not back down and his confidence was not shaken. The possesion after that Kobe drove to the hoop and Affalo stripped him of the ball. The Kid is a baller and contained Kobe as good as anyone could (or as good as the refs allowed) that night.
Stuckey is going to end up being a very very good player, I have asserted that all along in saying that he would lose us games but win us a lot more. Arron Afflalo is also going to end up being a very good player. I laugh everytime I remember reading on this forum that Afflalo would be out of the league after his rookie contract is up . Afflalo will be a nice role player in the Raja Bell mold maybe even better than that.
Stuckey, Afflalo and Johnson are the reasons why Detroit has a bright future.
- Im having a little trouble understanding why you continue to assert that Afflalo has know offensive game at all when I have already informed you that he was a great offensive player for UCLA. Add to that the fact that Afflalo is finally starting to adjust to the NBA 3 pt line and is making his threes. Arron Afflalo has a sweet stroke why you fail to notice it and disregard the evidence supporting it is beyond me.If Afflalo isnt effective defensively he is pretty much useless tonight being one of his few good games offensively.
On his defence on Kobe Bryant. It was as good as can be expected from anyone guarding Kobe. Bryant was going to get his, he burned Rip and he burned Tayshaun. This is what I love from Afflalo, two straigt possesions Kobe shot right over him from the same spot (one was a three, the other just in front of the 3 point line) yet Afflalo did not back down and his confidence was not shaken. The possesion after that Kobe drove to the hoop and Affalo stripped him of the ball. The Kid is a baller and contained Kobe as good as anyone could (or as good as the refs allowed) that night.
Stuckey sucked, and he sucked for a long time. Arron Afflalo never had a period where he played as bad as Stuckey had been playing during January. Stuckeys poor point play hurt the team, that cannot be denied. He sucked and did not earn any playing time. However, he is finally starting to show some promise and hopefully he can keep it up.On the other hand Stuckey is starting to show his ability to run the second unit with his play over the past couple games. I
Stuckey is going to end up being a very very good player, I have asserted that all along in saying that he would lose us games but win us a lot more. Arron Afflalo is also going to end up being a very good player. I laugh everytime I remember reading on this forum that Afflalo would be out of the league after his rookie contract is up . Afflalo will be a nice role player in the Raja Bell mold maybe even better than that.
Stuckey, Afflalo and Johnson are the reasons why Detroit has a bright future.
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To be fair, Stuckey has played well the past 4 games. He's improving, and shows a lot of promise.
I think with Afflalo has shown what we can expect from him. Not to say he can't improve, but we have a basic idea with what Afflalo will be. With Stuckey, not so much. At times, he looks like a Baron Davis style player. At other times, he looks like Mateen Cleaves.
I think with Afflalo has shown what we can expect from him. Not to say he can't improve, but we have a basic idea with what Afflalo will be. With Stuckey, not so much. At times, he looks like a Baron Davis style player. At other times, he looks like Mateen Cleaves.
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Sometimes Superstars are just going to hit their shots. Kobe usually gets his against Bowen as well. To determine how well he played defense, you have to look at the types of shots Kobe was getting against him more than the box scores.
Hunter and Afflalo are Detroit's two best and most consistent perimeter defenders. Afflalo is Detroit's best perimeter defender over 6'1. The thing about Kobe's shots is that a Superstar can have one game like that. You'll take your chances in a 7 games series if he has to take those types of shots.
All the Afflalo hate on this board stems from those that feel like Detroit should've used that pick for another project big man (and you use every negative Afflalo game to try to make your point). I feel like you're all off your rocker.
Stuckey hasn't been that good but that's to be expected. He's 20, played for a small school, was a scorer in college, and is now asked to make the transition to be the team's future point guard. To make matters worse, he missed the first 1/3rd of the season. It's going to be a hard transition for Stuckey but I believe he's got the tools to be a really good point guard in a couple of years.
Hunter and Afflalo are Detroit's two best and most consistent perimeter defenders. Afflalo is Detroit's best perimeter defender over 6'1. The thing about Kobe's shots is that a Superstar can have one game like that. You'll take your chances in a 7 games series if he has to take those types of shots.
All the Afflalo hate on this board stems from those that feel like Detroit should've used that pick for another project big man (and you use every negative Afflalo game to try to make your point). I feel like you're all off your rocker.
Stuckey hasn't been that good but that's to be expected. He's 20, played for a small school, was a scorer in college, and is now asked to make the transition to be the team's future point guard. To make matters worse, he missed the first 1/3rd of the season. It's going to be a hard transition for Stuckey but I believe he's got the tools to be a really good point guard in a couple of years.
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looks like Flip agreed with me as Afflalo didnt get very much real playing time vs dallas as Stuckey showed how good he can be. Afflalo before coming into the game with four minutes left in the fourth had a negative plus/minus( in a 20 point game he has a negative). Once again im not hating on Afflalo just showing Stuckey is a better player and more important to us this year and forever.
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Champs04bigshot wrote:looks like Flip agreed with me as Afflalo didnt get very much real playing time vs dallas as Stuckey showed how good he can be. Afflalo before coming into the game with four minutes left in the fourth had a negative plus/minus( in a 20 point game he has a negative). Once again im not hating on Afflalo just showing Stuckey is a better player and more important to us this year and forever.
Look at the plus minus numbers for these players for the season.
Its not even close.
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Look at the plus minus numbers for these players for the season.
Its not even close.
Yes because Stuckey was hurt for 25 games and came in to run a team that is one of the best in the league and was wearing a brace for 15 of the 20 odd games hes been back. In the game thread you seemed to not like Stuckeys game but Stuckey all through preseason and summer league showed he was a better player and starting to feel comforable is showing it again. Stuckey is a better player and more important to our success and thats all i was saying when i started this thread and you can continue to hate on him but its not gonna be Afflalo whos puts us over the hump is going to have to be Stuckey.