Don Nelson....Enough with the small ball crap

[ILOVEIT]

Nelson coached the Denver game like sh$%!

First..he starts super small and...guess what....Denver has a layup drill with dunks mixed in for the first 7 minutes. Harrington is instantly in foul trouble.

Question: Why can't Nelson get the F out of the way and let our best starting 5 beat their best starting five?

Question: Does he think a three point shot at 35% is more effective than sure thing Carmello and Kenyon dunks?

Question: Does he REALLY think that K Mart had one of his best games of the year because of something other than his stupid small ball?

Anyone see the box score and minutes played by both teams? Their bench averaged about 15-18 minutes....Our bench players....(AB doesn't count)...averaged about 5 minutes...with two getting one minute each.

Don is a charismatic guy...Players dig him. But no other coach in the league screws with is lineups every fricken game.

No Don...putting a 6'5" on a 6"9 250 pounder is NOT a good move...I don't care how many open threes your player might get?

Start the best 5...get the hell out of the way and play the bench more minutes before our starters finally just give up.

[Sleepy51]

From the other thread

Nellie admitted in an early season interview that he juggles the lineups to try to give the team an edge when he feels they need it.

That was (at the time) the 9 seed we were playing last night.

If he doesn't think our core 5 can go nuts up with the 9 seed then what are we really doing trying to win games in April anyway?

You said it perfect. Nellie needs to get out of his own way.

The only thing I'd add is that if Al is out there WITH Dre, rather than playing center next to Bukie against a 6'9" athletic Melo, 6'10" athletic Kmart and and 6"11 playing inspired for the last 2 weeks Camby he would not have struggled as he did. Al does not work at center against an athletic front line. Al at center works against slow bigs.

You don't bury a guy under a bad 3 on 1 matchup and then scapegoat him when you're brain fart idea craps out.

[Sleepy51]

There are times when I'm a big fan of smallball. But for it to work we have to gain an athleticism/quickness advantage, not just a 3ball chucking advantage.

The extra shooting is important for spreading the floor, getting teams out of zone defenses and letting our penetrators get openings. I see that, but the defense and rebounding aspects of the game require that if we go small, we have to be substantially faster. Against Denver, that doesn't happen. Kmart is obviously 100% and Melo is athletic enough to get around or over most of our wing defenders - and defend them (when he feels like trying on D.)

We went small, and were outrun by a 6'9"-6'11" frontcourt. That wasn't because our guys didn't "do it right." It's because that team has a superiror ballhandler in Iverson, and athletic bigs who don't play slow plodding back to the basket type ball that allows us to do all of the things we do to create running opportunities.

They are a long running team, and we needed to stay long with them.

[Chris Cohan]

Same damned team but with legitimate bigs worked into regular play. Iverson was terrible with a bum hand or something but the Nuggets had what it took.

No excuses from Baron this time. The grandmother story was publicized in tandem with IV and flu reports so perhaps there was more to it than standard LA hangover, perhaps not-- it's gone both ways from the Warriors and Baron in the past.

But imagine a game with a healthy Pietrus and Iverson.
Scales clearly tip in our favor then.

[NCHeels2008]

changing starting lineups for a game like this is mind boggling but he got the Warriors this far so ohh well

[Sid the Squid]

changing starting lineups for a game like this is mind boggling but he got the Warriors this far so ohh well

Ellis, Davis, Jack and Biedrins got us this far, all Nellie does is F everything up by playing shrimp D league scrubs and Trainwreck> Croshere-O'Bryant-Biedrins-Wright-Barnes.

[FNQ]

changing starting lineups for a game like this is mind boggling but he got the Warriors this far so ohh well

Homers #1 reason why they want to keep Nelson as coach... it makes no sense to ask Nellie to do something he cannot (build towards championship contender). It's as ridiculous as having Biedrins become a perimeter player...

I think I get why Nellie loves Pietrus... both just try and do too much for their talent level.. Nellie admires his stubborn-ness in not changing to a more effective role while sacrificing #s.. peas in a pod

[turk3d]

There are times when I'm a big fan of smallball. But for it to work we have to gain an athleticism/quickness advantage, not just a 3ball chucking advantage.

The extra shooting is important for spreading the floor, getting teams out of zone defenses and letting our penetrators get openings. I see that, but the defense and rebounding aspects of the game require that if we go small, we have to be substantially faster. Against Denver, that doesn't happen. Kmart is obviously 100% and Melo is athletic enough to get around or over most of our wing defenders - and defend them (when he feels like trying on D.)

We went small, and were outrun by a 6'9"-6'11" frontcourt. That wasn't because our guys didn't "do it right." It's because that team has a superiror ballhandler in Iverson, and athletic bigs who don't play slow plodding back to the basket type ball that allows us to do all of the things we do to create running opportunities.

They are a long running team, and we needed to stay long with them.

I bet you he (KMart) wouldn't have been able to do that against BWright.

[Warriorfan]

Nelson can't match up Denver in size so he went smaller to try to outscore them.

[Sid the Squid]

Nelson can't match up Denver in size so he went smaller to try to outscore them.

O'Bryant-Biedrins-Wright would of totally shut Denver's frontline down.

[Mylie10]

Nelson can't match up Denver in size so he went smaller to try to outscore them.

Brilliant.....wow I'll bet your the only one who thought of that!

To bad it doesn't work very often.


The only way smallball can work effectively is if we run at them in waves with fresh players coming at the other team constantly.

you can't run small ball with 7 guys only. The only time you can win that stuff is if guys are shooting out of there minds.

[turk3d]

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Brilliant.....wow I'll bet your the only one who thought of that!

To bad it doesn't work very often.


The only way smallball can work effectively is if we run at them in waves with fresh players coming at the other team constantly.

you can't run small ball with 7 guys only. The only time you can win that stuff is if guys are shooting out of there minds.

Really important point here Mylie. As we are now in the stretch run and possibly in the playoffs, you can't go in with 3 guys who average over 40 a game and play the frenetic pace that we play with a short bench. No way we even get past the first round (if we even make it). I noticed in that game we lost to the Lakers, most of our guys were pretty run down towards the end of the game. I think we probably would have won it during regulation if our guys weren't so burned out. And that's just one game. Wait until we're in a 7 game series.

[Mylie10]

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Really important point here Mylie. As we are now in the stretch run and possibly in the playoffs, you can't go in with 3 guys who average over 40 a game and play the frenetic pace that we play with a short bench. No way we even get past the first round (if we even make it). I noticed in that game we lost to the Lakers, most of our guys were pretty run down towards the end of the game. I think we probably would have won it during regulation if our guys weren't so burned out. And that's just one game. Wait until we're in a 7 game series.

Didn't I just say that?

Or were you merely elaborating on my brilliant point?

[FNQ]

Mylie on the warpath

[turk3d]

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Didn't I just say that?

Or were you merely elaborating on my brilliant point?

Elaborating on your brilliant point. What else could it be?

[JimmyTD3]

It's funny how everyone wants us to abandon small ball and play our bigs more often, forgetting we have one of the worst groups of bigs in the West.

NO has West, Chandler.
SA has Duncan
LA has Gasol, Bynum
PHX has Amare, Shaq
HOU has Yao
DAL has Dirk, Damp
DEN has Camby, Nene, K-Mart
POR has Aldrige, Oden
LAC have Brand, Kaman
MIN has Jefferson


Who are our bigs again? Biedrins, Wright, POB, Croshere? Does Al Harrington count as a big?

Besides SAC, MEM, and SEA, we have the worst group of bigs in the West.

I can't see us at 16 games over .500 playing non-small ball. It's pretty obvious we have to play this style, and it has brought us success...

[turk3d]

How many times do people have to say it? No one's talking about abandoning small ball, just integrating a bigger lineup on occasion. Why? Because we feel that by exclusively playing small ball, we limit our chances over the long haul.

As for your comparisons, how many other bigs have garnered 26 rebounds in a game this year? Our weakness is at the power forward, and maybe backup center (we have a nice one who's playing D ball right now). Harrington is in fact our Power Forward and Wright has shown he is capable when allowed to play. So let's not go to extremes here. Small ball is definitely a good strategy for us, it's just not the panacea that Nellie (and some of you here) believe it to be. It's a strategy, but does not work all the time and is proven to fail over the long haul under most circumstances, particularly in the playoffs.

You have to be able to play your bigs at times in order to at least keep the opposing team honest, especially when you are getting torn apart inside and on the boards. One of the problems the past two years under Nellie is that he hasn't even given the "bigs" the opportunity to prove "one way or the other" whether or not they can be effective for us under certain situations which is what really upsets a number of us. Just look at last night. Small ball was working most of the first quarter but then just petered out and by the time it was all over, it turned into a rout. Why? Because we got outrebounded by 17 and had no shot blockers in the game for the most part (Biedrens = only 16 minutes). Just take a look at the shot chart and notice how many points San Antonio got in the paint. You think that may have had something to do with Bukie and Barnes logging most of the minutes at Power Forward? Nobody is totally dismissing smallball (not even blaming Bukie or Barnes, they gave it their all), just asking that we utilize our bigs more effectively, especially when it is pretty obvious that they can help.

Shot Chart
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =280401024

[Head Leader]

NO You're wrong Colonel Sanders!!!!

Nellie is god... he is preparing us for a playoff run of 1 and done for the next 5 years...where we only have middle round picks so we can do nothing but be forced to grab even more small players... quickness over size bro.... who needs size!... small ball ftw

you don't know anything about basketball, is there something wrong with your medulaoblungata?

How many times do people have to say it? No one's talking about abandoning small ball, just integrating a bigger lineup on occasion. Why? Because we feel that by exclusively playing small ball, we limit our chances over the long haul.

As for your comparisons, how many other bigs have garnered 26 rebounds in a game this year? Our weakness is at the power forward, and maybe backup center (we have a nice one who's playing D ball right now). Harrington is in fact our Power Forward and Wright has shown he is capable when allowed to play. So let's not go to extremes here. Small ball is definitely a good strategy for us, it's just not the panacea that Nellie (and some of you here) believe it to be. It's a strategy, but does not work all the time and is proven to fail over the long haul under most circumstances, particularly in the playoffs.

You have to be able to play your bigs at times in order to at least keep the opposing team honest, especially when you are getting torn apart inside and on the boards. One of the problems the past two years under Nellie is that he hasn't even given the "bigs" the opportunity to prove "one way or the other" whether or not they can be effective for us under certain situations which is what really upsets a number of us. Just look at last night. Small ball was working most of the first quarter but then just petered out and by the time it was all over, it turned into a rout. Why? Because we got outrebounded by 17 and had no shot blockers in the game for the most part (Biedrens = only 16 minutes). Just take a look at the shot chart and notice how many points San Antonio got in the paint. You think that may have had something to do with Bukie and Barnes logging most of the minutes at Power Forward? Nobody is totally dismissing smallball (not even blaming Bukie or Barnes, they gave it their all), just asking that we utilize our bigs more effectively, especially when it is pretty obvious that they can help.

Shot Chart
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =280401024

[GSWhoopfan]

well Biedrins with his toe isnt helping. and personally, GSWhoopfan, would much rather have Bookie in the game playing that Wright.

stubborness might be the reason...but giving Croshere and Wright 5-10 mpg MIGHT help. wont say it will though.

[turk3d]

NO You're wrong Colonel Sanders!!!!

Nellie is god... he is preparing us for a playoff run of 1 and done for the next 5 years...where we only have middle round picks so we can do nothing but be forced to grab even more small players... quickness over size bro.... who needs size!... small ball ftw

you don't know anything about basketball, is there something wrong with your medulaoblungata?




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must be dem bad drugs I took in the 70s. You know which ones I'm talking about Rowell, the same ones you and LF still take here in the 21st Century.