Can A Player Average 30 and 10 Without Being A Ball Hog?

[J-Mezzy]

10 assists that is.

Oscar Robertson averaged a tripple double and Lebron is having a phenomenal year, and both have often been labeled as ball hogs.
My question is, is it possible to do such thing without being a ball hog?

[carrottop12]

LeBron shouldn't be labeled a ball hog at all.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

to me a ballhog is someone who doesnt pass the ball..and most importantly a negative on the team. Not someone who has the ball in their hands a lot, if that was the case then every PG in the league is a ballhog.


So i wouldnt call Lebron a ballhog, he scores effeciently and gets people open shots. So yea you can get 30-10 w/o being a ballhog.

Jamal Crawford is an example of a ballhog when hes off. Same with Ben Gordon. Then again, theyre the best scorers in their team, so maybe its not exactly bad what theyre doing.

[snowchess]

EDIT: sorry, didnt read the post properly

[bballcool34]

10 assists that is.

Oscar Robertson averaged a tripple double and Lebron is having a phenomenal year, and both have often been labeled as ball hogs.
My question is, is it possible to do such thing without being a ball hog?

When has Lebron been called a ball hog?

[J-Mezzy]

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When has Lebron been called a ball hog?

Many times on this forum. I personally agree with the response the thread has gotten. I don't think either one of them are hogs, but they are players that need to ball in order to be successful.

[Bgil]

Bird came as close as anyone will ever get without ball-hogging.

IIRC he didn't bring the ball up nor did he have the offense designed around him. He functioned extremely well inside a rather traditional offense and as a result the Celtics had all the elements normally associated with traditional offenses (free-flowing, ball sharing, team work, inside-outside, unpredictable etc.).

He was the most skilled player in the league over the course of his career. He didn't have Jordan's athletic gifts or Magic's versatility but in terms of skill level he was clearly the best. Nothing he couldn't do extremely well.

[lukeridenour]

i guess if you avaerge 10 assists it would be prett hard to call him a ball hog. i think it depends on the effiency of the player when averaging 30 points. for example if he averaged 30 points on 38% shooting that probably means he shoots way too much and way too often. in that case he would be considered a ball hog. but if hes averaging 30 points and shoots above 48-50% while averaging 10 ast than i would consider him a superstar.

[GreenWithEnvy]

the OP is thinking of "Ball Dominant" but to answer ur question i don't think so itd be impossible unless you run run run the whole game.

[BrooklynBulls]

to get 30 points, if you're super efficient, you're using 25 or more possessions. To get 10 assists, 10 possessions. Lets say you're awesome, and only average 3 TO's. 3 more possesions. Thats really an absolute MINIMUM of 38 possessions. Likely 40 or more.

So you can't be non-ball dominant, and post such numbers. If you're in a really high-tempo system, averaging upwards of 95 possessions a game, you're still dominating the ball 1/3 or more of the time. If you're at a slow pace, like LeBron, then you've got to have the ball a TON in order to get those stats.

But ball-dominance is truly overrated as a negative statistic. Its only negative when you have too many players who require it, such as the Knicks, or when you're ball-dominant and inefficient...like the knicks.

[CircleCitysportsfan]

Only scrubs call people ball hogs. Hey, they are not passing you the ball because you suck. Stop sucking.

[Texas Longhorns]

No because you have the ball most of the time. You have to be a LeBron type of player to do this, and as you can you can see LeBron has the ball 80% of the time when he is in trying to make a play for his team.

[BRINGTHEPAIN]

SHAQ almost averaged 30.

[Slava]

Other than Lebron, I believe Steve Nash can do that if he looks to take more shots.

[Doctor MJ]

10 assists that is.

Oscar Robertson averaged a tripple double and Lebron is having a phenomenal year, and both have often been labeled as ball hogs.
My question is, is it possible to do such thing without being a ball hog?

Certainly.

Let's understand: 10 assists means 10 possessions which is about one tenth of the total for the game. If a player is ball dominant enough it's certainly possible for him to achieve both that and the ruining of several other possessions due to selfish play.

Now personally, I don't buy the criticisms of LeBron here. The Cavs clearly do far better when he's on the court than when he's off it, so I don't know what the basis for knocking him is.

Oscar I've actually always wondered. This is a guy who won back to back college player of the year awards, and then the team proceeded to become a small dynasty immediately after he left. This is a guy who lucked into getting one of the great prospects in history on his pro team (Lucas), and proceeded to shoot more while acting hostile toward Lucas out of jealousy if reports are to be believed. On the other hand, I've certainly heard accounts raving about how good Oscar was from people who've watched him a lot more than I have, so I'm not willing to say a definitive yes.

EDIT: Ugh, totally misread the topic.

There's no way to average 30/10 without being ball dominant.

[Death Knight]

If some of those 30pts are assisted by teammates (in the flow of the offense), then it can be done and not labelled a ball hog.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Depends how you define ballhog, btw I think that to average 30-10 in today's NBA you need to be a statpadder, and your own presence will prevent other people to eventually emerge.
Volume stats are overrated imo.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I forgot to add: you can average a lot of assists and actually be a ballhog. It's not about shooting too much, but wanting to have always the ball in your own hands, giving it up only when it leads to shot (=it's recorded as a stat =personal glory).

[chrice]

Chuck Norris averaged 30/10, and he only shot the ball once.