Josh Howard to Portland

[Krapinsky]

Dallas sends/Portland receives: Howard
Dallas receives/Portland sends: Pryzbilla, Webster, Jack

Why for Dallas:

Dallas is probably going to lose to New Orleans. Cuban will be eager to see shome changes. After Howard's dismal playoff performance he might be the favorite to go. Kidd/Dampier/Terry are not going to bring anything good in a trade. Dirk is the soul of the franchise. That leaves Howard.

By trading Howard, Dallas brings back some much needed depth it lost in the Kidd trade. Pryz would probably start ahead of Dampier. Webster would immediately become the starting SF. Jack would serve as a nice defensive backup to Kidd.

Dallas's New rotation:

Kidd/Jack
Terry/Stackhouse
Webster/Dirk
Dirk/Bass
Pryz/Dampier

Why for Portland:

They need to make a quantity for quality trade. Howard provides them with a two-way player with playoff experience. He also has a reasonable contract, unlike other options out there (Richard Jefferson, Deng (in a S&T)). They give up three very good players which may be a bummer to some Portland fans, but players like Howard (all-star/value contract) don't come cheap.

Portland's new rotation:

Blake/Rodriguez
Roy/Fernandez
Howard/Jones
Aldridge/Outlaw/Frye
Oden/Aldridge

*The #13 pick could either be used to replace Pryzbilla with a big man (Hibbert/Jordan/McGee) or be used to upgrade the PG position (Augustin/Westbrook).

[loserX]

Pretty sure Howard's value hasn't fallen THAT far.

[Wizenheimer]

Howard's a good player and would probably fit well in portland...especially if he gave no interviews.

But portland wouldn't be likely to move assets for a SF, even one as good as Howard, when their need at PG is much more immediate. Especially when one of the assets is the backup PG.

And pryzbilla will be unlikely to go anywhere until Oden gains some experience.

[loflin3hree5ive]

Portland is brining a pot smoker back to the Jail Blazers? I don't think so.

[Schad]

Howard's a good player and would probably fit well in portland...especially if he gave no interviews.

But portland wouldn't be likely to move assets for a SF, even one as good as Howard, when their need at PG is much more immediate. Especially when one of the assets is the backup PG.

And pryzbilla will be unlikely to go anywhere until Oden gains some experience.

There really are no irreplaceable assets in this trade. If championships are the goal, a season without a great back-up center can be tolerated, and Webster obviously becomes expendable with Howard in the mix.

Follow it up by trading LaFrentz and assets for Hinrich, add a big man, and the Blazers are one of the best teams in the league within two years. Probably the best. I can't imagine that they would ever turn this down.

[Krapinsky]

[quote="loserX"]Pretty sure Howard's value hasn't fallen THAT far.[/quote}

This statement kind of surprises me. I ask, using Portlands assets, what would be equal value then?

Howard is already up there in age and will be coming off a miserable playoff performance. Portland is givng up three good players all of whom would add some much needed toughness to Dallas' lineup. Pryzbilla is a good defender, is fairly paid, and has value. Webster is an up and comer and could be just as good as Howard eventually. He brings some much needed outside shooting- someone for Dirk to dish to. Jack helps Dallas a lot because he makes up for Kidd's short falls.

[Wizenheimer]

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There really are no irreplaceable assets in this trade. If championships are the goal, a season without a great back-up center can be tolerated, and Webster obviously becomes expendable with Howard in the mix.

Follow it up by trading LaFrentz and assets for Hinrich, add a big man, and the Blazers are one of the best teams in the league within two years. Probably the best. I can't imagine that they would ever turn this down.

you're probably right about Portland having a tough time turning it down, although his pot-smoking comments may be the deal killer. Not likely though.

Moving Pryzbilla in the trade would also mean that portland's plan for 2009 cap-space was still viable as well.

And if as you suggest, portland knew they could land Hinrich somehow, this would end up a pretty good off-season

[loserX]

^I, for one, am not sold on any of the players Dallas is getting as a legitimate starter. Przybilla is cheaper than Damp, and thus better value, but I'm not sure he's head-and-shoulders better on the court. Webster has some talent, but would only be a starter on Dallas out of necessity. And Jack is closer to a spare part...he's not likely to beat Terry out for minutes either.

If Dallas is to trade Howard, I suspect that they will demand at least a legit starter back. If they don't, it's rebuilding time and guys like Przybilla won't be on the shopping list.

[Spykes]

Portland is brining a pot smoker back to the Jail Blazers? I don't think so.

While the timing is a bit too soon considering he just made those remarks, I don't think it would THAT big a problem.

Just because a player smokes dope don't necessarily mean he automatically can't play for the Blazers and can't be a fan favorite. Look at a guy like Brian Grant for example. I'm sure that guy toked up constantly, but he was a fan favorite in Portland. The big difference between a guy like Howard and a guy like Damon Stoudemire, Shawne Williams, Zach Randolph, Jamaal Tinsley, etc is that he's smart about it. As long as they smoke weed in their own house on their own time and it isn't effecting their play negatively, then the Blazers can look the other way from time to time.

It's guys who are downright stupid about it that the Blazers have a problem with. Guys who are smoking weed and speeding down a residential street in the middle of the night or guys who get caught in the middle of a shoot out with weed or guys who go through metal detectors with weed wrapped in tin foil, those are the kind of guys Portland wants to stay away from. Guys who aren't smart enough to stay out off the police blotter because they smoke weed, not guys who do it in the privacy of their own homes once in awhile.

[Andre 2999]

As a Blazer fan, I would do this trade so long as Pritchard has a backup plan to get us a good, starting PG, whether through the draft, a trade, or free-agency.

Also, would there be any way we could substitute Frye for Przybilla?

[Krapinsky]

As a Blazer fan, I would do this trade so long as Pritchard has a backup plan to get us a good, starting PG, whether through the draft, a trade, or free-agency.

Also, would there be any way we could substitute Frye for Przybilla?

IMHO Pryzbilla is probably worth 2 or 3 Fryes. Pryz is also needed for salary concerns so that substitution doesn't make sense to me. Also, Dallas doesn't need another four.

I think the Blazers would still have plenty of assets for a PG. Whether on the cheap- (Outlaw/Rodriguez/#13); or a pricey vet (add Lafrentz' contract). Perhaps save that for another thread.

[Tekkenlaw]

Portland is brining a pot smoker back to the Jail Blazers? I don't think so.

Chances are you already have a few pot smokers on your team, you just don't know it.

[T-Spot]

IMO, Dallas has no need of Pryz with Damp eating their cap over there. I'm sure they'd expect Outlaw back IMO. He's not that old [28?] and season stats if anything have improved since last year so I don't think he's worth what Dallas is getting here.

[Derekman]

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you're probably right about Portland having a tough time turning it down, although his pot-smoking comments may be the deal killer. Not likely though.

Moving Pryzbilla in the trade would also mean that portland's plan for 2009 cap-space was still viable as well.

And if as you suggest, portland knew they could land Hinrich somehow, this would end up a pretty good off-season

If you want, we can make it a three way and send Jose to Portland while sending J-HO to Toronto. Would that make it better for Portland?

[Krapinsky]

IMO, Dallas has no need of Pryz with Damp eating their cap over there. I'm sure they'd expect Outlaw back IMO. He's not that old [28?] and season stats if anything have improved since last year so I don't think he's worth what Dallas is getting here.

Damps getting up there in age, and down there in productivity. Losing Diop was a big loss for Dallas. Pryz replaces what they lost in Diop and probably takes even more minutes from Dampier than Diop did.

Also look at how big the West is getting. Dallas definately needs another big man. San Antonio has Duncan, Phoenix has Shaq and Amare, Lakers have Gasol and Bynum, Portland will have Oden and Aldridge.

Since you suggest Dallas is getting too much and LoserX suggests Dallas is giving too much, all in all it's probably a fair trade.

[Wizenheimer]

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If you want, we can make it a three way and send Jose to Portland while sending J-HO to Toronto. Would that make it better for Portland?

It might make it better, the problem would be Calderon's BYC status. Toronto would have to send something else out to make up for Calderon's BYC amount and Howard's incoming value. It would also bump everybody to next year's salaries but that shouldn't matter.

The problem may be that portland would trade 2 frontcourt starters this season for one backcourt starter. That 's really violating the 'no big for small' rule.

I'm still inclined to think portland would agree to it though

[Cookin Baskets]

Portland is brining a pot smoker back to the Jail Blazers? I don't think so.

It wasn't cause of pot smoking that made them Jail Blazers it was there stupidity for getting in all kinds of trouble with the law and there lack of maturity and how stupid every blazer got into trouble it wasn't just for smoking god made marijuana. I bet 40/50 percent of the league smokes in the off-season and somehow gets by with getting caught with 4 random drug tests in the season.

You can't really compare Josh Howard to Damon Stoudimare,Rasheed Wallace..just because they smoke pot. There alot of nba players who smoke tree throughout nba history Allen Iverson,Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,Charles Barkley, and many other players that most wouldn't even guess.

[Teddy KGB]

WTF? We trade our 2nd best player for a bunch of ****? Please, please stop with all the Mavs trades. We are NOT trading away Josh Howard for a bucket full of ****.

And no, outside Portland's big 3 there is not enough value to get Howard to Portland. All the spare parts on your team don't add up to a borderline all star

[Krapinsky]

WTF? We trade our 2nd best player for a bunch of ****? Please, please stop with all the Mavs trades. We are NOT trading away Josh Howard for a bucket full of ****.

And no, outside Portland's big 3 there is not enough value to get Howard to Portland. All the spare parts on your team don't add up to a borderline all star

Blatant homerism. Spare the vulgarity next time please.

[Schad]

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Blatant homerism. Spare the vulgarity next time please.

Save for the vulgarity...he's absolutely right. It truly is an atrocious deal for Dallas.