Derrick Rose vs OJ Mayo
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Derrick Rose vs OJ Mayo
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Derrick Rose vs OJ Mayo
Who do you think will have the better NBA career? OJ Mayo had so much hype since the 7th grade and had a somewhat disappointing season at USC. Some say it was the USC program that wasn't right for Mayo. Derrek Rose led Memphis to the title, but who will have the better NBA career?
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OJ is real underrated, he has an NBA body, good athleticism, a good jumper and great defensive abilities. He has the ability to come in and make just as big of an impact as Brandon Roy or someone. Rose, I think ultimately will be the better player but I still get nightmares that he might be Antonio Daniels reincarnated.
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I think Mayo's play as more of a Arenas type player, with better defense. He will get alot of shots, has PG skills that will lead to alot of assists, and can hit the longrange jumper with confidence (too much at times).
I don't really see any comparisons for Rose, but I'd take him over Mayo. Rose' athleticism right now is elite in the NBA, and would be the most athletic PG in the league. I know athleticism itself doesn't amount to much in the NBA, but when athleticism like his is added to the type of talent this kid has, it should and will be a huge advantage. He has above average handles, can see the floor very well, and can lock the opposing teams PG up. The only thing I question in his game right now is his jumpshot, but that will improve in time (considering he's just 19 years old).
I don't really see any comparisons for Rose, but I'd take him over Mayo. Rose' athleticism right now is elite in the NBA, and would be the most athletic PG in the league. I know athleticism itself doesn't amount to much in the NBA, but when athleticism like his is added to the type of talent this kid has, it should and will be a huge advantage. He has above average handles, can see the floor very well, and can lock the opposing teams PG up. The only thing I question in his game right now is his jumpshot, but that will improve in time (considering he's just 19 years old).
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mattg wrote:OJ is real underrated, he has an NBA body, good athleticism, a good jumper and great defensive abilities. He has the ability to come in and make just as big of an impact as Brandon Roy or someone. Rose, I think ultimately will be the better player but I still get nightmares that he might be Antonio Daniels reincarnated.
He lacks Roy's size, feel for the game, and basketball IQ. Mayo allows himself to be taken out of games in ways Roy does not.
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^^ He's 6'5 which is plenty big enough for SG. I don't think other then Rose and maybe Love, that there is another player projected in the lottery that has a better feel for the game then Mayo. His bball IQ is good too, so i don't see that being a problem.
I think Mayo, Beasley and Rose are the 3 most NBA prospects in the draft, so I don't feel Mayo will have as much trouble adjusting to the NBA as much as others would, Rose too.
I think Mayo, Beasley and Rose are the 3 most NBA prospects in the draft, so I don't feel Mayo will have as much trouble adjusting to the NBA as much as others would, Rose too.
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Wade2k6 wrote:^^ He's 6'5 which is plenty big enough for SG. I don't think other then Rose and maybe Love, that there is another player projected in the lottery that has a better feel for the game then Mayo. His bball IQ is good too, so i don't see that being a problem.
I think Mayo, Beasley and Rose are the 3 most NBA prospects in the draft, so I don't feel Mayo will have as much trouble adjusting to the NBA as much as others would, Rose too.
Brook Lopez, DJ Augustin, Derrick Rose off the top of my head have a better feel for the game.
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Rose is certainly the more flashy player. There are several facets of the game that one must take into consideration before making this assessment. Who has the potential for a better peek? Who will last the longest in the NBA? Who has the longevity to remain at a certain level for an extended period of time? And, who makes his teammates better?
Those can be answered after every aspect of their games are analyzed.
First, let me discuss Derrick Rose. This guy has tremendous athleticism at the point guard position as was mentioned earlier in this thread. He can drive to the basket with reckless abandon. He has tremendous body control and leaping ability. Surely, he will be able to finish in traffic at the next level. His first step is staggering and could pose trouble for virtually any point guard at the next level. I'm pretty certain if he can continue the play he demonstrated during his NCAA tournament run, he will be virtually unstoppable with a few years of experience under his belt. From the midrange, Rose is admittedly a bit shaky. He can create the space to pull up off the dribble. That's a start. Now, he needs to finish this consistently. His three point shot was no where near consistent at the college level. So he needs to extend his range and really work on his set shot. He reminds me a lot of Dwyane Wade in this respect. He is a tremendous athlete who can drive against virtually any competition. But, if you clog the lane and force him to shoot from the perimeter, this could pose problems at the next level. He is an adequate passer- probably a bit overrated in this department, although his vision is good. He makes a lot of flashy passes so he should be turnover prone through his first few years in the league. He is a great ball handler who is able to freeze his opponents and then lunge right by them. Rose is an underrated offensive rebounder who can collect boards when given the opportunity.
On defense, he can lock down his man with superior height, physicality, and athleticism. At the college level, with the proper focus, he was able to shot down and outperform the nation's top point guards. His size really helps him stifle the offensive players. It all depends on how much he is willing to assert himself on this end. He will get up and down the floor with the best of them, but how physical he is with his opponents varied during his year at Memphis.
As for Mayo, he certainly has the potential to be a higher volume scorer than Rose simply because his range extends further back. However, he does not possess the same blow by quickness that will make him an elite player. I have seen him be shut down on several occasions by Kyle Weaver and WSU, who focused on him as a centerpiece of USC's offense. Sure, his production meant a lot more to his team than Rose's did to Memphis. Still, that does not automatically mean that Mayo is going to be given the go-ahead on every possession as he was at USC and in high school. How he will adjust to lower volumes of shots is going to be key. He shot often and this helped him develop a rhythm offensively. In the NBA, he may not start out as the primary weapon. I believe that he would show signs as a role player because of his outstanding perimeter game, but not dominate in the same manner as Rose. He does not possess the same ability driving to the basket because he does not have the same first step as Rose. Also, once he starts missing a few shots, he is often unable to get a clean look. USC ran their entire offense around his shooting ability. And, he oftentimes was unable to get a clear look at the hoop, but opted to shoot anyway. This lowered his percentages and ultimately caused USC to bow out in the first round of the NCAA tournament. He does not really make his teammates better as traditional point guards do. The comparison to Gilbert Arenas is a valid one- he is seemingly caught between two positions.
Still, I would argue that OJ has more potential than Rose on the defensive end of the floor. He has better intuition and is able to lock down smaller point guards fairly easily. OJ is more versatile than Rose on defense because he can guard multiple positions. He has fairly quick lateral movement and simply overwhelms perimeter shooters in particular.
As for peak ability, I would give the overall peak potential to Rose simply because I believe that his perimeter shot will develop over time. He displays a nice form and has the ability to heat up on certain occasions. Mayo simply lives and dies by the outside shot. When this is not working, his drives to the basket can become very predictable and he does not have the blow by explosiveness to get to the rack consistently. I would say that Rose has a better all around offensive game and the disparity on defense, (if there even is any disparity) is fairly marginal so Rose would win out in this respect.
As one's knees get older and tired, it could very well be that Rose loses his explosiveness due to injury etc. This could be extremely detrimental to his game, but would still not completely render his athleticism ineffective. Moreover, I see off the court issues when I think of Mayo. The recent scandal etc could put him under the eye for public scrutiny. Thereby, I believe that because of Mayo's immaturity, he may get himself into some trouble. This could cut the length of his career or simply diminish his reputation amongst his teammates. All in all, I would say that Mayo has the better chance at the longer career. But, this is not a given because he will have to lose the childishness.
Finally, I would say that Rose makes his teammates better than Mayo does. Look no further than the NCAA tournament to see that Mayo can be a chemistry killer simply because of the sheer volume of shots he requires. Furthermore, Rose is able to score at critical junctures, while Mayo's shot will make or break his team's performance. Rose is more unselfish and more fit for the role of an NBA point guard. For this, I believe that he will develop excellent chemistry with whichever squad chooses him. (just as he did with Memphis)
Overall: Derrick Rose
Those can be answered after every aspect of their games are analyzed.
First, let me discuss Derrick Rose. This guy has tremendous athleticism at the point guard position as was mentioned earlier in this thread. He can drive to the basket with reckless abandon. He has tremendous body control and leaping ability. Surely, he will be able to finish in traffic at the next level. His first step is staggering and could pose trouble for virtually any point guard at the next level. I'm pretty certain if he can continue the play he demonstrated during his NCAA tournament run, he will be virtually unstoppable with a few years of experience under his belt. From the midrange, Rose is admittedly a bit shaky. He can create the space to pull up off the dribble. That's a start. Now, he needs to finish this consistently. His three point shot was no where near consistent at the college level. So he needs to extend his range and really work on his set shot. He reminds me a lot of Dwyane Wade in this respect. He is a tremendous athlete who can drive against virtually any competition. But, if you clog the lane and force him to shoot from the perimeter, this could pose problems at the next level. He is an adequate passer- probably a bit overrated in this department, although his vision is good. He makes a lot of flashy passes so he should be turnover prone through his first few years in the league. He is a great ball handler who is able to freeze his opponents and then lunge right by them. Rose is an underrated offensive rebounder who can collect boards when given the opportunity.
On defense, he can lock down his man with superior height, physicality, and athleticism. At the college level, with the proper focus, he was able to shot down and outperform the nation's top point guards. His size really helps him stifle the offensive players. It all depends on how much he is willing to assert himself on this end. He will get up and down the floor with the best of them, but how physical he is with his opponents varied during his year at Memphis.
As for Mayo, he certainly has the potential to be a higher volume scorer than Rose simply because his range extends further back. However, he does not possess the same blow by quickness that will make him an elite player. I have seen him be shut down on several occasions by Kyle Weaver and WSU, who focused on him as a centerpiece of USC's offense. Sure, his production meant a lot more to his team than Rose's did to Memphis. Still, that does not automatically mean that Mayo is going to be given the go-ahead on every possession as he was at USC and in high school. How he will adjust to lower volumes of shots is going to be key. He shot often and this helped him develop a rhythm offensively. In the NBA, he may not start out as the primary weapon. I believe that he would show signs as a role player because of his outstanding perimeter game, but not dominate in the same manner as Rose. He does not possess the same ability driving to the basket because he does not have the same first step as Rose. Also, once he starts missing a few shots, he is often unable to get a clean look. USC ran their entire offense around his shooting ability. And, he oftentimes was unable to get a clear look at the hoop, but opted to shoot anyway. This lowered his percentages and ultimately caused USC to bow out in the first round of the NCAA tournament. He does not really make his teammates better as traditional point guards do. The comparison to Gilbert Arenas is a valid one- he is seemingly caught between two positions.
Still, I would argue that OJ has more potential than Rose on the defensive end of the floor. He has better intuition and is able to lock down smaller point guards fairly easily. OJ is more versatile than Rose on defense because he can guard multiple positions. He has fairly quick lateral movement and simply overwhelms perimeter shooters in particular.
As for peak ability, I would give the overall peak potential to Rose simply because I believe that his perimeter shot will develop over time. He displays a nice form and has the ability to heat up on certain occasions. Mayo simply lives and dies by the outside shot. When this is not working, his drives to the basket can become very predictable and he does not have the blow by explosiveness to get to the rack consistently. I would say that Rose has a better all around offensive game and the disparity on defense, (if there even is any disparity) is fairly marginal so Rose would win out in this respect.
As one's knees get older and tired, it could very well be that Rose loses his explosiveness due to injury etc. This could be extremely detrimental to his game, but would still not completely render his athleticism ineffective. Moreover, I see off the court issues when I think of Mayo. The recent scandal etc could put him under the eye for public scrutiny. Thereby, I believe that because of Mayo's immaturity, he may get himself into some trouble. This could cut the length of his career or simply diminish his reputation amongst his teammates. All in all, I would say that Mayo has the better chance at the longer career. But, this is not a given because he will have to lose the childishness.
Finally, I would say that Rose makes his teammates better than Mayo does. Look no further than the NCAA tournament to see that Mayo can be a chemistry killer simply because of the sheer volume of shots he requires. Furthermore, Rose is able to score at critical junctures, while Mayo's shot will make or break his team's performance. Rose is more unselfish and more fit for the role of an NBA point guard. For this, I believe that he will develop excellent chemistry with whichever squad chooses him. (just as he did with Memphis)
Overall: Derrick Rose
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rose. i hate rose with a passion, but he's going to be way better than oj mayo. rose is a chris paul type player.
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