Comparing Beasley's and Rose's Intangibles

BlaZeN27 · Post #1 » by **BlaZeN27** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:59 pm

We already know what both have physically, and talent wise. But I got to thinking about the mental part and intangibles of them both.

I constructed a pros and cons list of the intangibles for Beasley and Rose...

Beasley

Pros

Passion/love for the game - I've seen scouting reports talking about Beasley maybe lacking love for the game of basketball, lol wut? Every game I've watched him play he showed amazing passion during games, during and after (although I also saw a little immaturity, which is one of his cons). I've also seen a report on TV where he talks about the feeling he gets just being on the court playing the game he loves, it defiantly wasn't a bunch of bull, you could tell he was being 100% sincere.

Leadership - Probably one of my favorite intangibles about this guy, which he seems to have over Rose. Rose seems like a quit leader, one who leads by his play. But its evident that Michael Beasley was the VOCAL leader of that over achieving K-State team, as a freshman. The Heat lacks a vocal leader, and as he matures I think he could become an even better leader, on and off the court.

Killer Instinct - Beasley is in no way shape or form a passive player, he seems to have the "you can not stop me" attitude and I love it. Its almost in the mold of Kobe, in that he believes he can score on who ever is guarding him, and that he will go for the jugular. Not only does he believe it, but he proved he can back it up. This is another thing I'm not sure Rose has.

Cons

Immaturity - This one use to really worry me, but I think he will grow out of it. It is more then likely he has the "red-flags". His immaturity showed on the court as well, after games it almost looks like hes about to throw a hissy fit, and cry.

Inablity to play along side another star? - Thats one thing I LOVE about Rose, we already know he can play amazing next to other great players, but can Beasley? Hes always been by far the best player on his teams, and I wonder how he will adapt playing with a superstar like Wade. One thing that really stuck out to me that bothered me is that he choose K-State, he could have gone to a much higher profile school with better players, but he choose that lesser known college. In an interview he mentioned he wanted to do something for that college that no one else has (stats wise). Maybe he HAS to be the man? Hmmm...

Rose

Pros

Ability to play with other stars - He already showed his freshman year that he has absolutly no not only playing, but excelling with other stars. With CDR and Dorsey, he was asked to take a back seat, and he still was the go to man in the tourney, yet he still made his teammates better.

Clutch - This man is amazing in the clutch, despite his missed FTs in the Finals. The shots he made at the end of that game, heck all tourney in the clutch, were insane. In that aspect he reminds me of Baron Davis/Dwyane Wade.

On the floor leadership - He obviously is a leader on the court, as the freshman PG of the veteran Memphis team he absolutly lead that team, especially in the tourney against top competition.

Cons

Lack of Killer Instinct? - At times throughout the year he seemed to be very passive (although being a freshman on an aforementioned veteran team might have something to do with it). Rose didn't always spew confidence when playing, at times looking a little intimidated to drive, or even shoot.

Not a Vocal Leader? - Again, this might have something to do with being a freshman on that veteran team, but I never saw local leadership from Rose.

MODS: I know this could have gone in the Rose/Beasley thread, but I hope you don't lock this. I think a discussion consisting of the comparison of there intangibles is worth a separate thread.

DanDanE420 · Post #2 » by **DanDanE420** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:31 am

Refreshing to see analysis from someone who has actually watched these guys play.

Anyone who thinks Beasley lacks a passion for the game has never seen him in action.

Post #3 » by **DayofMourning** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:42 am

Pretty good analysis.

I see Beasley's love for the game a lot. I think he was frustrated at many points this past year with his unbelievable lack of a supporting cast, and that shown through a little in his mannerisms, but he still put his all into it.

He'll work on his game until he's unstoppable offensively and is above average as a defender. The more I think of him the more I hope Chicago takes Rose.

DBurks2818 · Post #4 » by **DBurks2818** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:51 am

The more I think of him the more I hope Chicago takes Rose.

Heat3 · Post #5 » by **Heat3** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:55 am

Our consolation prize?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s7k8Kzdkj00

Post #6 » by **Lane1974** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:58 am

ok I apologize for ever calling him a rich man's Antawn or Glenn Robinson

you can see where they get the Melo/Amare/KG comparisons from

DBurks2818 · Post #7 » by **DBurks2818** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:00 am

He looks like a slightly less athletic version of all those guys rolled into one.

DanDanE420 · Post #8 » by **DanDanE420** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:20 am

This is a good video to see his athleticism and face-up game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70ttB8P0lT4

HeatSince88 · Post #9 » by **HeatSince88** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:28 am

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s7k8Kzdkj00

My goodness. You guys see him go coast-to-coast in that clip? He did so better than many NBA shooting guards can ... much less PFs.

OK, two other clips that blew my mind ...

High school clip. Looks like he's grown and filled out quite a bit in the past year. Watch this one and pretend you're watching a PG or SG. You'll think "Wow, he's very athletic for a PG or SG" ... but he's a friggin big guy who's still growing and filling out!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=70ttB8P0lT4

This one's in international play. Aren't these basically Derrick Rose moves he's doing? But Beasley does them all game long at 6'8 - 6'10, while Rose does them in spots at 6'3" ....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t1yqOwIMdUA

Don't trade the pick Riley! :wavefinger:

(Unless it makes us immediate contenders :oops:

)

Miami's Finest · Post #10 » by **Miami's Finest** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:26 am

I keep getting more and more excited... it was easy to get caught up in the Rose tourney run but Beasley would be an awesome player next to Wade, esp. if Wade comes back as the playmaker he's capable of being.

His between the legs dunk is impressive for a big guy, and he came really close at the AA contest to getting a off the backboard between the legs, J-Rich dunk... crazy athleticism.

Post #11 » by **LEIF** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:27 am

Wade/Beasley/Marion is too good a trio to pass up IMO.

I mean what could the #2 pick fetch?

DBurks2818 · Post #12 » by **DBurks2818** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:32 am

And it's not just Wade-Beasley-Marion. You have a solid forward rotation in general with Haslem and to a lesser extent Wright:

SF- Marion
PF- Beasley

Maximum offensive frontcourt

SF- Marion
PF- Haslem

Maximum defensive frontcourt

SF- Wright
PF- Marion
C- Beasley/Haslem

Uptempo frontcourt

Just need a decent point guard (not a great one) and a center capable of blocking shots (Diop?).

CoolD · Post #13 » by **CoolD** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:37 am

Yo I could show a mixtape of almost any player. The guy would look awsome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2OBlLV9itI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k4DVQL9suI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZtyZWmOLOQ

And one of this guys could even cut in the NBA.

Am not saying anything about Beasley, but don't go by mixtapes, that is just plain silly.

Miami's Finest · Post #14 » by **Miami's Finest** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:39 am

CoolD wrote:Yo I could show a mixtape of almost any player. The guy would look awsome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2OBlLV9itI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k4DVQL9suI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZtyZWmOLOQ

And one of this guys could even cut in the NBA.

Am not saying anything about Beasley, but don't go by mixtapes, that is just plain silly.

Please go away... do any of your mixtapes show a guy that dominated college ball as a freshman and put up stats like Beasley? You are really annoying with the constant hating in every thread.

HeatSince88 · Post #15 » by **HeatSince88** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:44 am

Beasley is much more than a mix-tape bro. :roll:

You don't put up 26/12 as a freshman and get ranked the consenus #1 overall pick most of the year just because you have a nice mix-tape.

The point of watching these clips is to see things that his numbers and draft ranking don't show ... how he handles, how he finishes, etc.

Please take off your Rose blinders for a second and stop condemning all things Beasley. The debate's over - we don't have a choice bteween the two!

BlaZeN27 · Post #16 » by **BlaZeN27** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:55 am

Lol, well this thread didn't really go where I intended it but OK.

... Beasley's passion and intensity almost reminds me of a more immature KG.

DanDanE420 · Post #17 » by **DanDanE420** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:28 am

CoolD wrote:Yo I could show a mixtape of almost any player. The guy would look awsome.

Am not saying anything about Beasley, but don't go by mixtapes, that is just plain silly.

We're talking about Beasley's athleticism. All you need is a few clips to see whether a player has hang time and explosiveness.

Post #18 » by **GameTime_3** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:40 am

Is everything CoolD says negative? If it aint Rose, Then its garbage. Time after time i see him bashing. CoolD relax man.

DBurks2818 · Post #19 » by **DBurks2818** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:03 am

Beasley measured at 6'9'' last summer:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/200 ... -Analysis/

He may be closer to 6'10'' now, but I doubt it, at his age.

ItsAJyaKnow · Post #20 » by **ItsAJyaKnow** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:23 am

Dude! Beasley is sick. I kinda don't care for Rose that much anymore after watching like 10 Beasley videos on You Tube. He man can do it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lifPUCkq ... re=related

Thats a future Heat debut game!