Hinrich?

[AbdicatedReign]

Wiretap article puts the Sonics in the running. I hope not. He was on my fantasy team last season, that was bad enough.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/52692/20080525/lots_of_teams_interested_in_chicagos_hinrich/

[Argyle]

Doesn't his contract suck to?

I'd do a Ridnour for Hinrich deal straight up if Hinrichs contract wasnt for 4 more years.

Plus the deal isn't doable and would need more pieces to make it work.

[wiff]

I'm not a huge fan of Hinrich.

But like any deal what do you have to give up to get him?

It's kind of like trying to flip a house you don't make money on the sale of your home you make money on the deal when you buy the home. Because after you fix it up you can only sell it for market value so you better get a rock bottom price on it when you buy it.

Kirk's deal looks like this.

2008/09=10 mil
2009/10=9.5mil
2010/11=9 mil
2011/12=8 mil

It isn't really a horrible contract.

Is he better than Luke? YES! Is he better than Watson? Yeah I think so. If they do trade for him are they not going to draft Bayless or Mayo? I hope not. I'd hate to see Lopez in the Green and Gold.

If the Sonics could give up a package like Donyell Marshall and Luke Ridnour I'd be all for it.

But I have a feeling the Bulls would demand Wilcox. So if Wilcox is the package how does the draft shake out?

So just for fun say the Sonics do give up Wilcox and Ridnour for Hinrich and Aaron Gray.

Does that mean we are looking at a starting line up of

PG Hinrich
SG Mayo
SF Durant
PF Green
C Petro

or another possible line up of

PG Bayless
SG Hinrich
SF Durant
PF Green
C Petro

And Nick and Watson coming off the bench.

I like the idea of moving Green and Durant over. And I think Hinrich could work with either Bayless or Mayo. Probably better with Mayo because he should be a solid defender.

Now if the Sonics end up drafting Lopez I don't like the deal at all.

And I only like the deal if Green and Durant slide over and the Sonics still manage to land Bayless or Mayo in the draft.

Potentially the Sonics could improve at three positons if Durant and Green slide over. They'd get better at the PG spot with Kirk. Durant is an up grade over Green and I think Green could possibly have better numbers than Wilcox. That means Mayo hopefully wouldn't be a huge drop off in production from Durant last year.

The more I think about it I like the idea of Hinrich and Mayo quite a bit better than Bayless and Hinrich. Because Mayo will playing D on the harder cover. Probably not the case with Bayless.

So after I have spit out a mouthful the only way I'd be willing to give up Wilcox for Hinrich is if the Sonics were able to land (gulp) Mayo.

I wouldn't pull the trigger unless everything fell into place. Because I think defensively Bayless and Hinrich would be in trouble.

[Sonics3408]

Interesting...well, if the Bulls do take Rose, I think there is a very good chance the Heat would be interested in trading down for Mayo.

Would Marshall + 24th pick for Hinrich be enough? Throw in Watson/Luke help?

Then if you could swing a deal to move up...You could see if they bite on Wilcox + 4, for 2 + bad contract? If Mayo did fall to the fourth pick, I think they might do that.

Hinrich
Durant
Green
Beasley
Collison/Petro/Committee

Certainly a unique line up...Could use a really strong perimeter reserve defender though .

Yeah, so a lot would have to align for that scenario...but there are so many different possibilities for this draft...

[kjtruong]

I was under the impression that Hinrich is a solid defenisve PG. Am I mistaken? I figure if we got Bayless he could cover for him defensively as he does with Ben Gordon in CHI.

Also even though he had a subpar season this past season, he did have a new career high in points (38) and blocks (4).

His assist numbers aren't off the charts, but he would be a great fit next to combo guards like Mayo or Bayless.

I do like how the move would move Durant and Green over, something I expected to happen this coming season even though PJ has suggested otherwise.

If we could net Thabo, I would give up Wilcox regardless of whether we draft Mayo or Bayless. Although the impression I am given regarding how high CHI is of Thabo, I find it unlikely.

I'd like to mention that if we got Hinrich and Mayo or Bayless, we'd have to get rid of Watson, there is no way he is going to be content coming off the bench.

The trade would look more like Watson+Wilcox for Hinrich+Thabo

Bayless or Mayo/Ridnour
Hinrich/Thabo/Griffin
Durant/Wilkins
Green/Marshall
Petro/Collison/Sene/Swift

The 1 and 2 positions don't really matter since they're both combo guards (at least the starters) so they could flip flop if need be.

Also a small note, he played most of his best games against our division rivals, with the exception of Portland, which he did slightly better than his season average.

Also a quick note, he did better coming off the bench this season than he did starting with respect to scoring 11.3ppg vs 15.7ppg. He has significantly better assist numbers as a starter though 6.1apg v 3.7apg.

I just noticed something else while writing this...his numbers drop of significantly as the season winded down.

Jan - 17.7ppg - 6.3apg
April - 6.4ppg - 5.1apg

There is a steady decline between those months.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kirk_hinr ... plits.html

[sonichound16]

I also thought that Hinrich has been touted as a good perimeter defender. I am not sure about trading for a guy who has 4 years left on his deal and just had a disappointing season though. I guess his value is low so if you think he can rebound it would make sense to pull the trigger now but I don't see it happening. It would probably take more than it is worth to get him from the Bulls. I think the main focus should be to trade up into the top 2 to get Rose or Beasley and that all of our assets should be focused in that area.

[BBen]

Last year was Hinrich's worst year in terms of production (including rookie year) and since he's entering his prime I'd say that was anomaly. His other three years excluding his rookie season he was a 16/6 guy. That's rare production in the NBA and the Bulls would be stupid to trade him at the lowest point of his value. If they do though I REALLY hope it's us that get him.

[Det the Threat]

I was under the impression that Hinrich is a solid defenisve PG. Am I mistaken? I figure if we got Bayless he could cover for him defensively as he does with Ben Gordon in CHI.

Also even though he had a subpar season this past season, he did have a new career high in points (38) and blocks (4).

His assist numbers aren't off the charts, but he would be a great fit next to combo guards like Mayo or Bayless.

I do like how the move would move Durant and Green over, something I expected to happen this coming season even though PJ has suggested otherwise.

If we could net Thabo, I would give up Wilcox regardless of whether we draft Mayo or Bayless. Although the impression I am given regarding how high CHI is of Thabo, I find it unlikely.

I'd like to mention that if we got Hinrich and Mayo or Bayless, we'd have to get rid of Watson, there is no way he is going to be content coming off the bench.

The trade would look more like Watson+Wilcox for Hinrich+Thabo

Bayless or Mayo/Ridnour
Hinrich/Thabo/Griffin
Durant/Wilkins
Green/Marshall
Petro/Collison/Sene/Swift

I know that Hinrich is a guy that can play both guard positions, but i don't think that we'd trade for him, if we'd take Mayo or Bayless with our own pick. It'd be more like us taking a big with our own pick and trying to fill that hole at pg with Hinrich, who's as solid as they come.

So it'd probably be B. Lopez or even Jordan with our own pick(meaning that Presti doesn't trusts Mayo or Bayless to play the pg position full time) and then a trade for Hinrich, which would be easier to do after the draft, cause he'll lose his BYC status in July.

[BBen]

Well said Det, I'll just concur with that. It would be awesome if we could do a three team blockbuster to somehow trade half our team to get Hinrich + Beasley on draft night though.

[Jeffster81]

The Bulls are not really interested in another big. So Wilcox, Petro, Collison are all out, to be honest. And with the likelihood of the Bulls taking Rose, Ridnour is no better then say Chris Duhon, in my opinion. I think Portland is a better fit for a trade, seeing as the Bulls woul dpossibly get the #13 pick, plus Blake/Jack and a bad contract, like LaFrentz. Not a great deal, but one the Bulls could live with.

What I am saying is....Seattle is too hard to match up with the Bulls for a trade, IMO.

[BullDawg]

The Bulls are not really interested in another big. So Wilcox, Petro, Collison are all out, to be honest. And with the likelihood of the Bulls taking Rose, Ridnour is no better then say Chris Duhon, in my opinion. I think Portland is a better fit for a trade, seeing as the Bulls woul dpossibly get the #13 pick, plus Blake/Jack and a bad contract, like LaFrentz. Not a great deal, but one the Bulls could live with.

What I am saying is....Seattle is too hard to match up with the Bulls for a trade, IMO.

LaFrentz would be a GOOD contract for Chicago because it expires at the end of next season.

[slick_watts]

i think a lot of other teams will offer better deals than the soncis could for hinrich.

[Ex-hippie]

The Bulls are not really interested in another big. So Wilcox, Petro, Collison are all out, to be honest. And with the likelihood of the Bulls taking Rose, Ridnour is no better then say Chris Duhon, in my opinion. I think Portland is a better fit for a trade, seeing as the Bulls woul dpossibly get the #13 pick, plus Blake/Jack and a bad contract, like LaFrentz. Not a great deal, but one the Bulls could live with.

What I am saying is....Seattle is too hard to match up with the Bulls for a trade, IMO.

You've ruled out bigs and you've ruled out point guards, so does that mean Chicago wants nothing but wing players? That sounds odd considering that Deng and Gordon are still basically their best players, but what do I know. Anyway, I would agree with you that Ridnour is no better than Duhon; actually, I'd rather have Duhon.