Doug "Insidious" Collins new Bulls head coach

Post #1 » by **jmrosenth** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:14 pm

Great news for the Wiz.

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #2 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:29 pm

Lol, dude april fools is long gone...

Soup's Uncle · Post #3 » by **Soup's Uncle** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:29 pm

NO WAY!

Post #4 » by **miller31time** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:33 pm

I don't have a problem with Collins. Yeah, he was here during the tumultuous Jordan years where Doug wasn't really the head coach, but looking at him as a whole, he knows the game and is a player's coach who should work well with a young Bulls squad that was previously coached by a drill instructor.

Ji · Post #5 » by Ji » Thu May 29, 2008 4:43 pm

kwame is going to Chicago!

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #6 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:45 pm

Holy...

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/977280,c ... e?rss=true

Soup's Uncle · Post #7 » by **Soup's Uncle** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:54 pm

I like him as an analyst. That sucks for me.

Post #8 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:02 pm

Doug wears on his players pretty quickly. I liked him a lot on a personal level because he never treated me like the pissant web writer that I was. But he gets on his players' nerves in counterproductive ways.

Maybe his biggest flaw as a coach is his tendency to act as if players had time to make well-considered and fully thought-out decisions on the court -- even in situations that require split-second reaction times.

This is not an actual example, but imagine that someone fires a basketball at you from point-blank range. You don't have time to think -- should I duck? should I dodge? should I deflect? which hand should I use to deflect? -- you just react. Let's say you deflect the ball the ball. But Doug's your coach. And he starts hollering at you -- "What the hell are you doing deflecting with your shooting hand? If you're going to deflect, you should ALWAYS use your off hand. My 5-year old grandson knows that. And what the hell are you doing deflecting anyway? Don't we always talk about ducking? Unless you have a teammate behind you, of course..."

And on and on and on. About nearly everything you do on the court. After awhile you just want him to shut up.

Post #9 » by **Ruzious** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:06 pm

Soup's Uncle wrote:I like him as an analyst. That sucks for me.

Gawd, I thought he was the most overrated tv guy ever. He would make the most obvious comments and act like he was revealing the secrets of the universe. I'm looking forward to the Bulls staying in the cellar for years to come and hearing: "Noah, you better respect me! Pretty pweeze!!!

I'm going to tell Michael!!!"

Post #10 » by **jmrosenth** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:08 pm

Collins is a pretty good Xs and Os guy but he's too emotional to be the man in charge. He'd be an excellent assistant.

He'll have a lot of talent to work with in Chicago so he has a chance to succeed, but overall, I think it's a pretty uninspiring hire for the Bulls.

NbdyBeatsTheWiz · Post #11 » by **NbdyBeatsTheWiz** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:38 pm

Soup's Uncle wrote:I like him as an analyst. That sucks for me.

Yeah anybody who needs a coach should have left him doing what he does best.

The 2002-2003 season more convinced me he's a joker of a coach. We went from overachievers the year before to an actual team with expectations that year after the Stackhouse deal and he cracked under pressure. After a poor start he joined everyone else in turning a 21 year old on a team full of seasoned vets in a scapegoat. He started playing a 37 year old darned near 40 minutes a night. And he called a 4 game home stretch in JANUARY the defining point of the season.

I'm WELL aware the problems that seasons had to do with more than JUST Doug Collins, but he way less than impressed. I'm just glad they hired him over somebody who may have actually done something positive with that team.

NbdyBeatsTheWiz · Post #12 » by **NbdyBeatsTheWiz** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:50 pm

I can hear it now, "With the 1st pick in the 2008 NBA Draft, the Chicago Bulls select: Michael Jordan!"
Doug Collins pumps his fist and shakes the hand of his long lost security blanket.

Post #13 » by **jmrosenth** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:27 pm

The funny thing is that a Michael Jordan comeback wouldn't totally surprise me.

closg00 · Post #14 » by **closg00** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:53 pm

This is good news for us, the players will mutiny in-time throwing da Bulls into further chaos (he said hopefully)

Smart guy, D * ck coach

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #15 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Thu May 29, 2008 8:44 pm

UPDATE: Doug Collins, who is in Los Angeles broadcasting the Western Conference finals, has issued a statement through TNT denying that anything has been finalized: "I have spoken with Bulls management recently about their head coaching vacancy and will resume conversations after the conclusion of my work for TNT in the Western Conference Finals. There is no agreement in place."

You can take that for what it's worth, I guess...

Post #16 » by **Rafael122** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:29 am

I think he's awful as an analysts. He's too...what's the word...cerebral. It's like everything you have to do is perfect. For example, as an analyst, if a team is down 17 with 6 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter, Doug would be like "well, all the team has to do now is try and cut the lead down to 10 by half time, they get the ball to start off the 2nd half, and try and get the lead down to as low as 7, maybe 6 if they get the 3 plus the foul." It's as if that's actually going to happen.

hands11 · Post #17 » by **hands11** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:49 am

Good for him. He gets a chance to clean the slate.

Being a coach for this team/organization with MJ as a player/front office person was a no win situation.

Lets see:

Coach of a team that had sucked for most of 20 years and had a questionable roster at best that didn't even know how to approach the game well.

Coach maybe the best player ever in a come back when that player is also a top person in the front office who brought you on a HC

Then coach an immature bamma who you take as the first HS player taken #1 in the first round and who was hand pick by this best player ever who is a top front office person and soon the be player.

Anyone want the job ?

Considering the situation, Doug did ok in my book. That had to be a boat load of stress to deal with. Please, wasn't there some health issue thrown in there ?

closg00 · Post #18 » by **closg00** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:42 am

It's already started.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... ins-080529

NbdyBeatsTheWiz · Post #19 » by **NbdyBeatsTheWiz** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:20 pm

hands11 wrote:Good for him. He gets a chance to clean the slate.

Being a coach for this team/organization with MJ as a player/front office person was a no win situation.

Lets see:

Coach of a team that had sucked for most of 20 years and had a questionable roster at best that didn't even know how to approach the game well.

Coach maybe the best player ever in a come back when that player is also a top person in the front office who brought you on a HC

Then coach an immature bamma who you take as the first HS player taken #1 in the first round and who was hand pick by this best player ever who is a top front office person and soon the be player.

Anyone want the job ?

Considering the situation, Doug did ok in my book. That had to be a boat load of stress to deal with. Please, wasn't there some health issue thrown in there ?

Yeah, and I don't think he handled the boatload of stress at all, and he ended up running the ship aground. I'm sorry but my team continuing to miss the playoffs and hang out watching lottery balls with a bunch of old fogey execs ain't "ok in my book".

But do you think after he had that horrid experience with an "immature bamma"/young big man taken #1 he'll stay away from Beasley? Because at the same time he never really ran anything especially up-tempo either, so Rose doesn't seem like he'd be the apple of his eye.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #20 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri May 30, 2008 2:20 pm

TSW, Doug's balls were in a vice as a Wizards coach.

MJ, Kwame, bad health, toxic roster. The first year MJ runs off Rip Hamilton and Courtney Alexander. Those guys and Nesby had just come off a 19-win season. Chris Whitney and Jahidi were the ironmen. MJ brought his guys like Popeye Jones and Tyronn Lue. Wizards virtually doubled their wins with a talent-poor group.

Second year he had plenty to bitch about.

Jeffries and Dixon were the draft picks. The roster REALLY got toxic with the additions of Stackhouse and Oakley and Larry Hughes. The youth of the team: Brown, Dixon, Haywood, and Etan, all had to take a backseat to Christian Laettner, Charles Oakley, and Byron Russell. MJ played but was grouchy, old, hurting, but still full of ego. NO WONDER Collins was on edge! That was a disgusting assemblage of bad karma on one team. What a rotten group to coach! Old whiners past their prime and young guys not as good as they thought they were. Yuk!

I say Doug's bound to do way better at least the first few months of the season in Chicago because that team will be much better next year.

I think Rose will be better for them to draft. I expect Deng and Hinrich will have bounce back years.