i have two idea's inmind

ItsaVC3 · Post #1 » by **ItsaVC3** » Fri May 30, 2008 12:50 pm

one-WE NEED THE 2ND pick we know the heat dont want beasley and what if we trade 10 21 and 3 future 1st rounders for the 2nd i really dont care about the future with those 3 picks cause we would be getting a START IN BEASLEY

two-the heat dont like beasley and they prefer mayo at that pick so what can do is 10 21 and 1 or 2 future 1st rounder for the 4th but we might not be happy if the wolves take beasley and then the trade would be a waste so we have to take a chance and see what the wolves do if we do this trade

i prefer the first and you???>???

G_MoNeY · Post #2 » by **G_MoNeY** » Fri May 30, 2008 12:56 pm

so let me get this straight, you're willing to trade FIVE 1st rounders for Beasley?

Riight..

ItsaVC3 · Post #3 » by **ItsaVC3** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:05 pm

G_MoNeY wrote:so let me get this straight, you're willing to trade FIVE 1st rounders for Beasley?

Riight..

answer is YES i really dont care about how many 1st rounders we give p we would be getting a winner a future all-star and the best player in the game

fasca · Post #4 » by **fasca** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:48 pm

this is stupid

Post #5 » by **Rich Rane** » Fri May 30, 2008 2:07 pm

ItsaVC3 wrote:one-WE NEED THE 2ND pick we know the heat dont want beasley and what if we trade 10 21 and 3 future 1st rounders for the 2nd i really dont care about the future with those 3 picks cause we would be getting a START IN BEASLEY

two-the heat dont like beasley and they prefer mayo at that pick so what can do is 10 21 and 1 or 2 future 1st rounder for the 4th but we might not be happy if the wolves take beasley and then the trade would be a waste so we have to take a chance and see what the wolves do if we do this trade

i prefer the first and you???>???

1 - Miami has never stated they didn't want Beasly. They just want a star back if they're not picking him. Even then, they'd probably take this deal as it's clear robbery.
2 - We are a middle of the road team on the brink of rebuilding. Getting Beasly won't change that no matter how great of a college player he is. We trade five first rounders, this deal will hurt us until 2012. You can't trade consecutive 1st rounders so that would be two this year, two in 2010 (We have the Dallas pick), and one in 2012. From where we would supposed to be picking by then even if we were to do this crazy trade, I'd want those picks.

Preludepunk27 · Post #6 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri May 30, 2008 2:39 pm

I'm not trading 5 first round picks to move up 8 spots. Dallas's pick if they don't get their act together honestly could potentially be a lottery pick in 2010.

But what someone said too...they're looking for vet talent/leadership. I think RJ would actually play really well in Miami. The thing is they want a solid player, but they also want to keep cap room for the 2010 offseason so I don't actually know the direction they want to go. Plus if we threw RJ/#10/#21 at them, what players on their roster would even interest us to match salaries + #2. Face it, unless we bring in a 3rd team, Miami really isn't that good oa trade partner with us unless they want our expirings/picks Stro/Hassel/KVH/#10/#21 for like #2/their garbage. I just don't see something like that happening. Building around a nuclues of Wade/RJ/Marion with potentially DJ Augustine at #10 and Speights at #21 if he falls that far would make their starting 5 pretty lethal in my opinion. It just comes down to what we'd get in return.

Preludepunk27 · Post #7 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri May 30, 2008 2:43 pm

RJ/Hassel/Ager/#10/#21

For

Blount/Haslem/Banks/#2

That works in the trade checker. I vomited in my mouth at the thought of Blount in a Heat uniform though plus that totally depletes Miami's front court.

mack69 · Post #8 » by **mack69** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:42 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:
But what someone said too...they're looking for vet talent/leadership. I think RJ would actually play really well in Miami. The thing is they want a solid player, but they also want to keep cap room for the 2010 offseason so I don't actually know the direction they want to go. Plus if we threw RJ/#10/#21 at them, what players on their roster would even interest us to match salaries + #2. Face it, unless we bring in a 3rd team, Miami really isn't that good oa trade partner with us unless they want our expirings/picks Stro/Hassel/KVH/#10/#21 for like #2/their garbage. I just don't see something like that happening. Building around a nuclues of Wade/RJ/Marion with potentially DJ Augustine at #10 and Speights at #21 if he falls that far would make their starting 5 pretty lethal in my opinion. It just comes down to what we'd get in return.

Euchus had a post with a good trade scenario. That got me thinking. What if we offer RJ, Mwill S&T Nenad or whatever you need to do make it work to Mia for the #2 pick. Mia sends Banks, Blount and our #10 to Indiana. Indiana sends JO to us

PG - Harris
SG - Carter or # 21 Chase Buddinger
SF - #21 Pick Bill Walker or Carter
PF - Beasley
C- O'neal

This is a framework not the dead on details. With JO contract this allow you to still be in the running for LBJ when the time comes.

Preludepunk27 · Post #9 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:01 pm

Can't package other players with a S&T guy. Krstic can be in the deal.

If that trade happened, I would look for the Nets to sign a vet like Ricky Davis. I know he's a complete nutjob but I personally love the guy and he actually a) is a good defender and b) is lethal from the outside.

Post #10 » by **jman3134** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:18 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:Can't package other players with a S&T guy. Krstic can be in the deal.

If that trade happened, I would look for the Nets to sign a vet like Ricky Davis. I know he's a complete nutjob but I personally love the guy and he actually a) is a good defender and b) is lethal from the outside.

Questionable. He gambles a bit too much and is somewhat of a chemistry killer. You don't win playoff games with Ricky Davis.

Preludepunk27 · Post #11 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:50 pm

If we can't get Pietrus for the MLE, I'm running out of ideas for who I would feel comfortable with. Look at the teams Ricky has been on. No offense he hasn't really have positive vet leadership a lot in his career. I think he's worth a shot if we can't get anyone better. Offer him a 1 year deal for a price both him and us like and make him prove to the team he is not a cancer ala magloire style. Magloire proved he's not a chemistry killer, he just couldn't ball on our team.

Post #12 » by **Rich Rane** » Sat May 31, 2008 3:44 am

Preludepunk27 wrote:If we can't get Pietrus for the MLE, I'm running out of ideas for who I would feel comfortable with. Look at the teams Ricky has been on. No offense he hasn't really have positive vet leadership a lot in his career. I think he's worth a shot if we can't get anyone better. Offer him a 1 year deal for a price both him and us like and make him prove to the team he is not a cancer ala magloire style. Magloire proved he's not a chemistry killer, he just couldn't ball on our team.

We don't have an MLE. We're under the cap. The problem is that we're RIGHT UNDER the cap.

Post #13 » by **Rich Rane** » Sat May 31, 2008 3:45 am

jman3134 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Questionable. He gambles a bit too much and is somewhat of a chemistry killer. You don't win playoff games with Ricky Davis.

Correction: You don't win games with Ricky Davis.

deviljets7 · Post #14 » by **deviljets7** » Sat May 31, 2008 4:53 am

Rich Rane wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

We don't have an MLE. We're under the cap. The problem is that we're RIGHT UNDER the cap.

Barring something unforseen happening, the Nets will not be under the cap when free agency starts. That total salary listed on Shamsports does not account for the cap hold on Krstic (which is nearly $5.7 million) or the price on the two first round draft picks.

Post #15 » by **Rich Rane** » Sat May 31, 2008 5:08 am

deviljets7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Barring something unforseen happening, the Nets will not be under the cap when free agency starts. That total salary listed on Shamsports does not account for the cap hold on Krstic (which is nearly $5.7 million) or the price on the two first round draft picks.

How's Krstic's cap hold at $5.7 million? Everywhere I've looked, he's been listed at around $2.7 million.

deviljets7 · Post #16 » by **deviljets7** » Sat May 31, 2008 5:17 am

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#30

Larry Bird, following the fourth season of his rookie
scale contract Below the average salary 300% of his previous salary*

Since Krstic just finished the fourth season of his rookie contract and was making below the average, his cap hold is 3x what he made last year ($1.89 million).

The $2.7 million is what Krstic is paid for 08/09 if he signs the one-year tender instead of getting a long term contract. Until he is signed however, he will count against the cap at $5.7 million.

Post #17 » by **Rich Rane** » Sat May 31, 2008 5:28 am

deviljets7 wrote:http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#30

Larry Bird, following the fourth season of his rookie
scale contract Below the average salary 300% of his previous salary*

Since Krstic just finished the fourth season of his rookie contract and was making below the average, his cap hold is 3x what he made last year ($1.89 million).

The $2.7 million is what Krstic is paid for 08/09 if he signs the one-year tender instead of getting a long term contract. Until he is signed however, he will count against the cap at $5.7 million.

Then you are right. Amazing we're paying over the cap money for a team that still might not make playoffs next year. I don't count on us signing Pietrus when other teams that are better or have a better location that are over the cap could just sign him outright to their MLE.

deviljets7 · Post #18 » by **deviljets7** » Sat May 31, 2008 6:56 am

Rich Rane wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Then you are right. Amazing we're paying over the cap money for a team that still might not make playoffs next year. I don't count on us signing Pietrus when other teams that are better or have a better location that are over the cap could just sign him outright to their MLE.

To be fair, if you assume the Nets waive KVH, have all 3 picks on the roster and let Krstic sign for his tender offer (rather than extend him), you're probably looking at a payroll in the bottom third of the league.

Post #19 » by **Rich Rane** » Sat May 31, 2008 3:14 pm

Put yourself in Ratner's shoes and take a look at the team after the Kidd trade. Do you believe he should be paying over the cap money on this team when he's got Brooklyn coming?

Preludepunk27 · Post #20 » by **Preludepunk27** » Sat May 31, 2008 3:57 pm

Rich Rane wrote:Put yourself in Ratner's shoes and take a look at the team after the Kidd trade. Do you believe he should be paying over the cap money on this team when he's got Brooklyn coming?

I'm personally not touching the lux tax with a 50' pole until we move to Brooklyn unless we can land a guy who will at least make us a top 5 team in the NBA. I don't see that happening this offseason though. We can make some moves to become very competitive without pushing the lux tax, but I don't see anything on the horizon that is gonna bring us a ring at least in terms of next season.