The Mitchell Report Thread

[Manhattan Project]

Yup lets keep it civil people. So far Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte are named in the report.

[pwayknicks]

List of names, Unoffical..

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton B radley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozz ie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenn y Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Jua n Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gon zalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez
Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, IJason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood

[krustytheclown]

@ all the yankees

[krustytheclown]

and 2 really unimportant mets are named

[Manhattan Project]

Matt Lawton, Guillermo Mota, Mo Vaughn, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose Offerman and Scott Schoenweiis.

Not bad.

[gooGD]

paul lo duca

[bringinhinkie]

daaaaaaaaaamn loduca was my boy.. supposedly 0 CURRENT mets on the list according to the bergen record? plz be true

[Luv those Knicks]

daaaaaaaaaamn loduca was my boy.. supposedly 0 CURRENT mets on the list according to the bergen record? plz be true

Castro?
Schoenweis?

It's difficult for me to care about Schoenweis,

and, while disapointed in Castro, also, it begs the question. Castro's best season was last season, when taking Roids is unlikely due to increases in random testing.

Unless Castro's taking HGH - which is very difficult to test for.


and on LoDuc - do you think the Mets knew? Might this be why they showed zero interest in resigning him?

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That being said:


I want to say 2 things about this Steroid List:


1 - Roger Clemens - come on, if you didn't know he was on Roids before this list came out, you weren't paying attention. Roider Clemens. (meh) - somebody needs to photoshop Roider's head to Arnold's body - let the fun begin. or - Roider with 15 needles in his arm. Hot headed, overly bulked up Clemens - Roids. Yeah, I'll bet he dumped chemicals on his cereal in the morning. Who didn't see this coming.


and point 2 - a guy I have great respect for.

Not on the list: Mike Piazza.

and just last night, some clown on FAN was saying he expected to see Piazza on the list.


I knew Piazza wasn't on roids.

Piazza is someone, who, if he had used steroids, he would have been out of this world, he wouldn't have crashed as young as he did and he'd have gotten bigger. Piazza never got any bigger (the way Sosa, Clemens, Barry, Mcguire) all did. Piazza was an incredible natural talent - and he was absolutly clean. Piazza was like Mattingly - in the sense that he was truly the top at his position when he was in his prime, but Piazza, more so than Mattingly. He was a ridiculous talent. And his numbers don't look as good looking back through history, with the way numbers have inflated.

Props to Piazza. He was a tremendously gifted ball player. He was also, the begining of the Mets turn around.

[Luv those Knicks]

update on the names:


link

What happened to Castro?!? Is my list less up to date?


NEW NAMES

Chad Allen
Mike Bell
Gary Bennett
Larry Bigbie
Kevin Brown
Alex Cabrera
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Matt Franco
Eric Gagne
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Todd Hundley
Mike Judd
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Nook Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Jim Parque
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Stephen Randolph
Adam Riggs
Armando Rios
Brian Roberts
F.P. Santangelo
Mike Stanton
Ricky Stone
Miguel Tejada
Ismael Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Matt Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun


PREVIOUSLY LINKED

Manny Alexander
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Ricky Bones
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Paxton Crawford
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Ryan Franklin
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Juan Gonzalez
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Darren Holmes
Ryan Jorgensen
Gary Matthews Jr.
Rafael Palmeiro
John Rocker
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde


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[mets87]

just because piazza isn't on the list doesn't mean he never juiced. don't be naive.

[mjhp911]

I'm really happy for Fat-Clemenza. I was expecting more Yanks to be on the list. I'm disappointed Regular Season-Rod wasn't on it.

Mike Piazza: "Hey Fatso, karma's a bitch, ain't it?!"

[Luv those Knicks]

just because piazza isn't on the list doesn't mean he never juiced. don't be naive.

It's not naive that I believe Piazza never juiced. Probably over half the players in MLB never juiced. Like smoking pot in high school - just cause people say everyone does it, doesn't actually mean everyone does - there's always a percentage who never touch the stuff. There's no doubt, a percentage of ball players who steared cleaer of Roids.

I personally never believed Piazza juiced because he never showed the signs of someone who did and he didn't seem the type. Is that conclusive? No, but until evidence comes out otherwise - I stand behind my "Mike was truly great" statement. I have a lot of respect for the guy.

At the same token, I also believe A-Rod and Jeter never juiced. (I'm less convinced on A-Rod). But I'm just as sure on Jeter as I am on Piazza. Jeter is a natural athlete and he hasn't bulked up. A-Rod looks like a prime Roid candidate, but A-Rod has offered to pea in a cup when he's being interviewed. A-Rod's pretty outspoken that he's never taken it, so I kind of believe him. But of the 3 - (Jeter, Piazza, A-Rod) - A-rod would surprise me the least if he was found out.

Jeter & PIazza would surprise me if either were named. I think those 2 guys are straight.

[larryclown]

Yankees should forfeit the 2000 world series!!!!

When Clemens threw the bat at Piazza he was definetly in the middle of some big time roid rage!!!!

[Luv those Knicks]

Yankees should forfeit the 2000 world series!!!!

When Clemens threw the bat at Piazza he was definetly in the middle of some big time roid rage!!!!

I hate Clemens as much as the next guy. Hated him for throwing at Piazza's head.


But the bat throwing thing was a very minor incident. It wasn't a throw it was a toss, and it wasn't at Mike, it was vaguely in Mike's direction. I hate Clemens for throwing at Piazza's head, but the bat incident was a small thing. I was happy he got penalized for it, but I never thought it was a big deal or an overtly aggressive act.

[randomhero423]

wouldn't the mets have not made the world series to begin w/ if pratt didn't hit that hr?

[mets87]

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But the bat throwing thing was a very minor incident. It wasn't a throw it was a toss, and it wasn't at Mike, it was vaguely in Mike's direction.

whoa. a "toss" would be roger flipping it over toward the mets dugout. he picked it up, and threw it at piazza's legs. watch the video again. and the whole "i thought it was the ball" thing is the biggest pile of **** i've ever seen in sports.

[Luv those Knicks]

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whoa. a "toss" would be roger flipping it over toward the mets dugout. he picked it up, and threw it at piazza's legs. watch the video again. and the whole "i thought it was the ball" thing is the biggest pile of **** i've ever seen in sports.

Well, I can't find the vid on-line anywhere, so I can't re-check it. But, it wasn't a overhand throw, it was a side arm toss, and, yes, it was borderline. It was in Piazza's direction, but I thought - clearly behind him, not at him, and it was thrown fast enough that had it hit piazza in the legs it would have tripped him up, but it wasn't thrown so fast that it was meant to injur. Clemens could easily have thrown a bat 70-80 MPH sidearm if he'd wanted. THis bad was going 30 MPH - (my best guess) - Regretably, that's from memory, not being able to rewatch it.

and trust me - I'm not a fan of Clemens - check out my sig.

But - a half speed throw, sidearm, behind Piazza (clearly in his direction but behind him) - not infront or at him.

I didn't take the throw as a serious intent, it was more a statement - clemens was like saying "I broke your bat sucker". I have no problem with the fine, cause it's a bad precident to throw a bat in the direction of anybody, but I still say it wasn't intent to harm, or that the bat was thrown "At" piazza. That's just how I saw it. I understand that it's interpretation, not an exact science.

I think, if Clemens wanted to hit Piazza with the broken bat, he would have.

[mjhp911]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3181689

Uhm, good luck with that, Roider...

[Luv those Knicks]

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whoa. a "toss" would be roger flipping it over toward the mets dugout. he picked it up, and threw it at piazza's legs. watch the video again. and the whole "i thought it was the ball" thing is the biggest pile of **** i've ever seen in sports.

Just for the record - they showed the bat throw briefly on the news last night - leaving Rogers arms - roger threw it towards the ground in a sidearm motion, it hit the ground well before it reached the first base line - granted, you can skim a bat across the ground with a good bit of speed, but it wasn't a full speed throw either. It was half speed, and I still say it was probably thrown behind Mike, not at him.


but I agree with you the whole "I thought it was a ball" line was pretty lame.