Giambi latest to criticize Torre

[VinnyTheMick]

Jason Giambi has become the latest Yankee to put in some digs against former Manager Joe Torre.

When asked about his situation the last few years, Giambi told writers:

[cmaff051]

You always hear these stories when there is a new manager. The old manager is evil, blah blah blah, etc. Well, the proof will be in the pudding Can this team win more than 94 games this year? Can they advance past the 1st round? Talk is nice, but let's see Giambi and Farnsworth have better years than they did last year before we take them seriously.

[nykgeneralmanager]

You always hear these stories when there is a new manager. The old manager is evil, blah blah blah, etc. Well, the proof will be in the pudding Can this team win more than 94 games this year? Can they advance past the 1st round? Talk is nice, but let's see Giambi and Farnsworth have better years than they did last year before we take them seriously.

Exactly. Does anybody think it is at all a coincidence that the ones who are complaining about Torre are the ones who underachieved here and haven't lived up to expectations (minus Abreu maybe)? Why don't they just take responsibility instead of looking to blame how a manager used them as the reason for their .230 averages of 4.5 ERAs.

[a-rod]

You always hear these stories when there is a new manager. The old manager is evil, blah blah blah, etc. Well, the proof will be in the pudding Can this team win more than 94 games this year? Can they advance past the 1st round? Talk is nice, but let's see Giambi and Farnsworth have better years than they did last year before we take them seriously.

I agree, earn your lunch money Giambi before you talk smack.

[34Celtic]

Shouldn't Giambi have been taking ground balls at first base anyway? In case there was a situation the team might need him? Sounds like someone just being out of shape.

Abreu and Damon not being in game shape until June? Should torre be the one held responsible for 2 guys being out of shape?

[nykgeneralmanager]

Shouldn't Giambi have been taking ground balls at first base anyway? In case there was a situation the team might need him? Sounds like someone just being out of shape.

Abreu and Damon not being in game shape until June? Should torre be the one held responsible for 2 guys being out of shape?

Well on that one, Moose said the same thing. Torre simply did not work them in spring training the way that Girardi is now. However, both guys came INTO camp out of shape, which is inexcusible.

[VinnyTheMick]

Abreu and Damon not being in game shape until June? Should torre be the one held responsible for 2 guys being out of shape?

Well Torre's spring training camp didn't exactly involve players breaking a sweat....

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Well on that one, Moose said the same thing. Torre simply did not work them in spring training the way that Girardi is now. However, both guys came INTO camp out of shape, which is inexcusible.

Exactly, if your million dollar athlete the least you can do is come to camp in shape. If you're looking to actually GET IN SHAPE, work at off season.

[Slamm Goodbody]

Giambi needs to shut his mouth. He hasn't done a productive thing for this team since his second season. Torre stuck by him time and time again, keeping him in the lineup in spite of the torrent of bad press he brought down on the organization. Considering he was nothing but a distraction to our team when he was at his worst, it would've been easy to let Giambi ride the pine, but Joe didn't do that. Complaining that it was hard to prepare going from DH to 1B? Give me a break.

Same situation with Farnsworth - Torre stood up to the media and kept playing him in the 8th inning even when he proved to be unreliable. He didn't outright take away the 8th from him until Joba stepped up. I swear these guys are delusional.

Torre wasn't without his warts, but at least he was loyal to his guys. No one should be kicking dirt on the guy's name, even if it is just spring training and they're trying to rationalize their failures by displacing them on Joe.

[34Celtic]

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Well Torre's spring training camp didn't exactly involve players breaking a sweat....

Well then you find a way to break a sweat. You think just because Torre didn't work guys like ARod, Jeter, Posada, and Pettitte to name a few that they would come into the season out of shape? Nope, its why guys like them are highly successful and why guys like Damon and Giambi struggle more often.

[HCYanks]

Giambi needs to shut his mouth. He hasn't done a productive thing for this team since his second season.

This is just wrong. He had two very good seasons in 2005 and 2006. His stint in New York hasn't exactly been a Honeymoon, but I don't get this notion that he's been a useless waste of space.

You think just because Torre didn't work guys like ARod, Jeter, Posada, and Pettitte to name a few that they would come into the season out of shape?

Actually i've heard the argument made that Jeter's lack of offseason training is part of the reason his knees have been going downhill so fast.

Someone tell me this though, if we weren't paying Torre to at least make sure his players stayed in reasonable shape, what were we paying him for?

[VinnyTheMick]

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Someone tell me this though, if we weren't paying Torre to at least make sure his players stayed in reasonable shape, what were we paying him for?

Exactly.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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Actually i've heard the argument made that Jeter's lack of offseason training is part of the reason his knees have been going downhill so fast.

Someone tell me this though, if we weren't paying Torre to at least make sure his players stayed in reasonable shape, what were we paying him for?

To manage bullpens








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[VinnyTheMick]

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[34Celtic]

Someone tell me this though, if we weren't paying Torre to at least make sure his players stayed in reasonable shape, what were we paying him for?

To be one of the best managers this franchise has ever seen, we weren't paying him to be an athletic trainer.

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[nykgeneralmanager]

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To be one of the best managers this franchise has ever seen, we weren't paying him to be an athletic trainer.

Yet most would agree that his biggest flaw as manager is his in game managing. He handles clubhouse personalities, the players respect him greatly, and he was blessed with amazing talent on the field. As a Yankee fan I am grateful for what he did the past 12 years, but I just don't view him as an all-time manager.

[sully00]

While the physical condition of the team wasn't directly Joe's fault, it was a symptom of what appears was a bigger problem. The change in trainers was a disaster, the players just ignored the metrosexual they brought in to run the conditioning program and he in turn removed the traditional equipment the players were used to using. Joe no longer had the pulse of his team, it wasn't one or two guys he couldn't reach, he had become a manager that could only reach one or two guys.

There is no honor in what Farnsworth and Giambi are doing it reveals more about them than Torre but at the same time even those of flawed character were able to fall in line when Joe was on his game, that just wasn't the case in NY anymore.

The real interesting thing will be how much crying these guys are going to do when Girardi rips them like they were Sept call ups when they are in the middle of one of their pity parties and reminds them that their all star days were about 4 years ago and nobody cares anymore.

All the backstabbing by the players reminds me of when Parcells left New England, somehow I don't think the Girardi era is going to be like the Carrol era though.

[Da big3]

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Someone tell me this though, if we weren't paying Torre to at least make sure his players stayed in reasonable shape, what were we paying him for?

Because of 4 out 5 world series championships, 12 playoff apperences 8 divison titles, ability to difuse clubhouse problems, and the ability to handle the New York media

[DakkaFromNyc]

To be honest im kinda glad the Yankees made a change and picked up Girardi.

Torre's coachin style just wasent rubbing on the players anymore.