What will it take for Barbosa?

[Rapsobsessed7]

Judging how the suns want a pick and are dangling Barbosa and Diaw could the raptors do a deal of

Kapono
#17

For

Barbosa

Or what would it take for us to get Barbosa?

[Stix]

How about Parker instead of Kopono?

[Rapsobsessed7]

well i dont think the pick could be included then because alot of raptors fans feel parker brings alot to the table, defense as well as offense. Kapono played with Shaq before and played very well and with two lost post presences with Amare/Shaq i think Kapono will be a weapon. I would do parker for Barbosa straight up but i dont know if i include this years pick as Parker+Rush is better than Barbosa but a Kapono+Rush is about fair. As they are both on the same contract situation just used differently

[PeTBuLL]

Plz dont allow leandro to play with that **** named Sam Mitchel, he did enough with Hoffa, no need to him fire up another brazilian!

[Rapsobsessed7]

wow chill, Hoffa wasent on the bench because he was Brazilian its because he was a bad pick. He didnt have the talent to succeed dont play Mitchel for that. Hoffa was with Utah and didnt play and was later released its nothing against Brazilians its Hoffa couldnt play. Leandro sure as hell can and i think BC likes him alot and would want to acquire him but would you consider a deal of Kapono+17 For Barbosa?

[JustMoe]

Oh man, PeTBuLL, are you serious? Araujo?! Supporting your home country is one thing, but being absolutely unable to at least come up with a LITTLE objectivity when it comes to rating its players' abilities is another. Rafael definitely was one of the worst big men to play in the NBA in recent years, and a huge waste of that 8th pick. SMitch benched him because he did nothing for the Raptors on the court, same story in Utah. Pretty funny to play the race card when it comes to the team with the most foreign players in the entire league

As a huge fan of both teams I consider myself at least halfway objective when it comes to trade proposals between them , and I'd say that this isn't enough value for Barbs. Don't mean to overrate Leandro, he has some great abilities, but also some weaknesses that can really hurt your team - defense and passing skills come to mind. But 1. from the look of things there are some teams interested in him, so it should be possible to fetch some better value and 2. Kapono is pretty one-dimensional (pure shooter) and earns almost as much as Barbosa while being less talented. The 17th pick, at least IMO, isn't enough value to make up for that downgrade.

[dm17415]

For Calderon and #17.

[JustMoe]

For Calderon and #17.

Here's some green font for you, buddy - guess you forgot to use it while typing your funny payback-counter-offer;)

On a side note: so many shades of green to choose from - awesome!

[Rapsobsessed7]

My reasoning was Kapono played with Shaq and was very sucessful as teams cant double team the post of Amare and Shaq without kapono hurting them with the 3. Nash can drive kick it out to Kapono whos a much more Reliable shooter than Barbosa, you would know that as you watch both teams You add a guy like Rush or Batum or CDR to your lineup and i think the value is definitely there. Knicks will proablly be interested but i dont see what they have besides the 6th pick which they wont give up for Barbosa. With kapono gives you a lineup of
Nash
Bell
Kapono
Amare
Oneal

is versatile and still allows you to compete. I think Parker+17 is then giving up too much from a toronto stand point as Parker plays better D, better passer, better shooter i beleive. Kapono although is seemed to be one dimensional surprisingly gets to the basket as well as using the pick and roll with Shaq+Amare can be dangerous. Kapono and Barbosa make the same money basically
Kapono is a better shooter
Barbosa is a better driver
Barbosa is faster
Barbosa can shoot
Defense is the same
Kapono probably is a better passer

no doubt that Barbosa is the better player than Kapono but if you add a Kapono and a guy like Rush or Batum or CDR than i think the value is there. parker+17 is alot to give up for Barbosa when this team lacks D. As for the guy who suggested Calderon that was funny and if you were being serious we have some problems here

[JustMoe]

The thing is: Kapono would be a bench player for us, just like he is in Toronto, since he wouldn't be starting ahead of Grant Hill. And I'd rather pay Barbosa about 7 millions a year for what he adds to our game than pay Kapono 6 millions for "just" shooting 3s. We could definitely use a good outside shooter, but not at that price. See, I love Bryan's work in Toronto (though Wayne Embry definitely deserves a lot of props for the trades he did after replacing Babcock, as well), but signing Kapono for the whole MLE? That was Colangelo's worst move with the franchise so far in my opinion (still haven't totally made up my mind regarding Andrea).

The thing with the 17th pick is this: we already got #15, so if there's a certain player we're focussing on, then we'll take him with that one. Of course there might be some further interesting prospects, but the question is: does it justify the downgrade?

[Rapsobsessed7]

your totally right but lets say you take a guy like Rush at 15 but take a guy like Hibbert at 17 to replace Shaq. Would Kapono be a bench player? im not sure if grant can keep it up i mean hes getting older so who knows but i see your point there. Do you think the value is there or you wouldnt do it because you could get more

[JustMoe]

your totally right but lets say you take a guy like Rush at 15 but take a guy like Hibbert at 17 to replace Shaq. Would Kapono be a bench player? im not sure if grant can keep it up i mean hes getting older so who knows but i see your point there. Do you think the value is there or you wouldnt do it because you could get more

It's certainly not a totally loopsided deal, but on principle I wouldn't do it since I value Barbosa higher than that package. The thing is: it looks as if Leandro will be traded, and I absolutely agree with one of your previous posts: it's pretty unlikey New York gives up the #6 for him, except for MAYBE a Barbs/#15 for crappy contract/#6 deal, which wouldn't be too tempting, either. Still hoping for a Barbosa/Lee-trade, though that should be nothing more than a pipedream

[Rapsobsessed7]

yeah i dont think the suns are the kind of team that want any bad contracts for the sake of a high pick. Lee would be nice but behind amare? i dont think he could play SF and be effective in your offense. Would you do
parker+Baston

for

Barbosa than?

[Rapsobsessed7]

if not that deal even a deal of
Kapono
Parker
Humphris
#17

For

Barbosa
Diaw

Wrecks Toronto's cap but could work id rather do a parker/Baston swap but maybe this makes more sense?

[nba_addict]

if not that deal even a deal of
Kapono
Parker
Humphris
#17

For

Barbosa
Diaw

Nash / Chalmers (17th) / Strawberry
Bell / Parker/ Strawberry
Hill / Parker / Kapono / Tucker
Amare / Humpries
Shaq / Jordan or Speights (15th) / Skinner/

- Nash, Bell, Parker, Kapono and Chalmers are more than enough shooters that the Suns needs to free up the middle for Amare and Shaq
- Kapono's contract expires along with Nash, Bell and Shaq.
- Gives enough room to train a rookie PG and C/PF in the line-up

Fixed!

[jlove_26]

if not that deal even a deal of
Kapono
Parker
Humphris
#17

For

Barbosa
Diaw

Nash / Chalmers (17th) / Strawberry
Bell / Parker/ Strawberry
Hill / Parker / Kapono / Tucker
Amare / Humpries
Shaq / Jordan or Speights (15th) / Skinner/

- Nash, Bell, Parker, Kapono and Chalmers are more than enough shooters that the Suns needs to free up the middle for Amare and Shaq
- Kapono's contract expires along with Nash, Bell and Shaq.
- Gives enough room to train a rookie PG and C/PF in the line-up

Fixed!

Yeah, I completely doubt that the Suns would draft Chalmers with 17, if it came down to it. I wouldn't mind Speights at #15. With those 2 picks, and going off most of the mocks out there, I would assume the Suns would grab 2 of the following players (one wing and one big):

Bigs: Jordan/Speights/Arthur/Kufos/McGee/Thompson/Hickson/Jawai/R. Lopez
Wings: Greene/Rush/Batum/CDR

[biskvito]

I don't see Barbosa getting any better on defense, his speed will decrease with age... in the 3pt line theres plenty of defenders taller than him... last playoff he already have so much less chances to shoot... he's not a creator... I just think he was at his prime when won the 6th man...

[nba_addict]

The Barbosa & Diaw for Parker, Kapono, Humpries & 17th so far is the best trade I like for the Suns. Pretty solid for the Suns and Raps.

In fairness to Barbs, he can torch any teams not named San Antonio with his outside shooting and daredevil drives. He still have a lot of room to improve. A new coach and environment will be more helpful.

[chrice]

The Barbosa & Diaw for Parker, Kapono, Humpries & 17th so far is the best trade I like for the Suns. Pretty solid for the Suns and Raps.

Yuck, I'll pass. I'd rather trade with Portland or NY.