Couple Trade Possibilites.

[NashtyNas]

Okay, so these things come to me very often and i think these are the best and most realistic trade ideas ive ever had.

Trade 1:
Suns trade Boris Diaw to Orlando for Turkoglu and JJ Reddick. (we may need to add a future 2nd or 2)

Trade 2:
Suns trade Leandro Barbosa and Alando Tucker to New Jersey for Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, and KVH's contract.

FA Signings from MLE:
Giriceck-2.5mil
Skinner-1.5mil (or vet minimum 1.2mil)
Lue-1.5mil (or vet minimum 1.2mil)

New Lineup:
Nash/Williams/
Bell/Reddick/Giriceck
Turkoglu/Hill/Giriceck
Stoudemire/S.Williams/Skinner
Shaq/Lopez/Skinner

IL:
DJ Strawberry
Lue
KVH

NJ trade can really happen, but im not sure about the Orlando one because they give up 2 for 1 and maybe the best player in Turkoglu, but then again Diaw just underachieved last year and thats all it was. Maybe if we added 2 future 2nds or a future (2012) first?
We get the 3 pt shooters we need (Turkoglu / Reddick), a 2nd option that can take over a gamne along with stoudemire and get to the line in the clutch (turkoglu), a backup PG(M. Williams), a promising backup PF (S.williams) and maybe 15 rings.

[Miklo]

Interesting options.

Trade 1 would be sick...Turkoglu immediately steps in as third option, JJ Redick becomes a spark off the bench a la Eddie House...but as you mentioned I don't think Diaw's stock is high enough, we would need to add SIGNIFICANT incentive for this to be realistic.

Trade 2 gets accepted by NJN but doesn't really turn me on...Marcus Williams IMO hasn't proven much, with Assist/TO of under 2 and pretty poor shooting. And Sean Williams, well I don't know that much about him but he looks interesting - nothing special though, and to me not worth sacrificing Barbosa (who very well could have hit a low point last season with the potential to bounce back) for a PG who is definitely not the PG of our future and an average big. Throwing KVH in, however, that makes it a possibility in my eyes

[NashtyNas]

I dont think the first one is THAT bad. Im guessing they would do it if we added the 2012 first. They wont get many better offers for turkoglu and getting rid of a qaurter cancer in Reddick.

For the second one, i think you clearly under value Marcus Williams. For one, i could care less about his offence. He will be what we need on defence because of how Terry coache's and he provides size aswell. I think he is very underrated. Also, "sacrificing" isnt the right word because this deal also helps us in 2010 when KVH expires and leaves us another 3.5million in capspace so it IS a better trade with his contract. Sean is a tough competitor who could be our own Jason Maxiell or Millsap, energy big off the bench. Hes got high cieling and even if he doesnt live up to his potential could still be a solid role player in 15-20MPG.

[Miklo]

Yes if ORL bit on something like that it would be a proud day for us. And they won't get much value anywhere for Redick (who overvalues himself more than ORL undervalues him!).

You make a good point about Marcus being a hard-nosed defender. I still feel the same way about the deal though. Just because Terry/the FO are pushing for more defense doesn't mean we change from the D'Antoni Suns to the Pistons overnight. And I would argue that the one piece of D'Antoni's system that worked the best and should continue to work the best is the offensive PG as the driving force. Running a "football" system where everything revolves around the timing and decision-making of the PG on offense allows you to take offensive emphasis away from the other positions, creating an opportunity for the "best of both worlds" where we keep really the only sacred part of our recent system and let Terry work his magic with the rest. As far as Leandro, I just think that its easy to see him as the player who choked last season but truth be told he has things that can't be taught in his speed and maneuvering, and with enough experience the rest comes and he becomes quite an asset. I think he has notably more value than the Williamses combined, which is why I'm not a huge fan of this deal.

[walkingart]

The first deal won't happen, not yet atleast. Hedo average 20 points, almost 5 rebs, and 5 assts. He is bigger than Diaw and a far better shooter. To top it off, he makes less. Now, if they think they will be just as good come the deadline, with or without, Hedo; they may move him, rather than pay him, for he can opt out at this end of the season.

But, the Suns didn't like Williams when they could have drafted him. And it wasn't just Mike D who didn't like him. Griff and Vinny didn't have them in their first round mock draft. Doubt they move Barbs for a guy they didn't have any interest in when they could have had him for free, and Williams. Although I like Williams. It is my opinion that you are OVERVALUING all these backup points, from below average teams. Portland, LALakers, Chicago, and Memphis are the only teams in the league that have an overload of talent at the point. There may be a few other teams, but none off hand.

[NashtyNas]

Walkingart, you are completely wrong with they didnt like him. They may not have, but they didnt like Rondo too. Guess what he just did for his team? I doubt anyone couldve done a better job at the point and get paid that little on a championshiop in this era. Also, miklo, i dont think hes horrible on offense as you seem to. I dont want to change from Mike D's suns to the Pistons, but i do want to change from the suns to the cavaliers where they run a lot after they get stops instead of running, shooting, missing, then giving up 3 pt plays like Mike D's system. Terry will really help us on defence, and you undervalue both of the Williams. If the nets wont let Sean go, which is probably the case, Boone is still not a bad option for us as a backup PF. We are looking for ENERGY which we lacked all season away from Bell and Stoudemire, and these bigs can provide that for sure. Bell has become very inconsistent and misses 15-20 games when Marcus can play some shooting gaurd, and shooting can be taught. Defence is much harder to teach than shooting. Barbosa is an asset, and we should trade him because he is worth something. Im not basing it on him dissappearing last playoffs, or the playoffs before that, or the ones before (i dont count a game winner showing up. he has been our most inconsistent player every playoffs.) I just think he isnt suited without Mike D as coach if he cant learn defence quickly and get some better ball handling. Nets would like to run and he does that for them also gets a nice off the ball scorer for them when vince or harris are dominating the ball.

ALSO, Orlando fans would arent really opposed to a 2012 first + Diaw for Turkoglo and Reddick deal. I wish team FO's read realgm

[Miklo]

Well regardless of whether they liked Marcus or not I just don't see the appeal. Okay, maybe he's not horrible on offense and he definitely isn't on defense, but we can sign a PG with an average offensive game and a hard enough work ethic to produce solid defense out of the summer league, or the NBDL as I believe I've seen suggested elsewhere. And if you want to look at a great energy guy at the 4 and 5, look no farther than our very own draft pick Robin Lopez. He is filling that role right now, and you don't see teams with 2 people in that position.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not AT ALL saying this is a bad trade idea, I'm more just playing devil's advocate because while this isn't a bad trade, I just think we can get more value and fill more important roles (read: pretty much anything at the 2 and 3 spots) if we are giving up a piece of the quality of Barbs. By this I mean that sure we need a backup PG and another backup big, but we look to free agency for the big and Goran/DJ/someone less valuable than Barbs for the PG.

To sum it up, if we give up Barbosa I want to see a starter or near-starter at the 2 or 3.

[NashtyNas]

Thing is, why would any team want a 6th man 2 gaurd for their starting or borderline starter 3 or 2? Suns fans were stoked with the Webster thing but why would Portland have done it? They loose starting SF, backup PG, and the 13th. Instead they got a starter and an energy big for him, which is what im proposing we do (i didnt think about it until now, LOL!). I am only saying these are good trades because they improve our team on DEFENCE. especially the Nets trade. One gets us extreme defence and the other perfect offense. If we pulled both of these off, we could easily be in the WCF and make it to the finals.
Imagine having 2 GO TO guys i n stoudemire AND turkoglu with size. The front like starters of SHAQ/STAT/TURK is unbeatable. Who do you double? especially when there are shooters like Bell and nash playing the gaurds. And off the bench frontline of Lopez/Boone/Hill is also decent with a slasher who gets to the line, boone with the interior, and lopez with the midrange game. Backcourt off the bench would be Reddick and Williams, 2 shooters / scorers. Neither teams fans are VERY opiniated agaisnt the trades, but orlando would like the 2012 1st and 2010 2nd to get it done i believe.... this is realistic and i think we should get them done .. unfortunately GMS dont read REALGM :S

[walkingart]

Walkingart, you are completely wrong with they didnt like him. They may not have, but they didnt like Rondo too. Guess what he just did for his team? I doubt anyone couldve done a better job at the point and get paid that little on a championshiop in this era.

First, you say I am wrong about them not liking him and then you start your next sentence with "they may not have"? Some what contradictory isn't it?

Second, Griff and Vinny both wanted to draft Rondo and keep him. They both have been quoted on Gambo and Ash as liking Rondo. It was Mike D who didn't like him and said he wouldn't play him if they had drafted him. Thus, GM Mike D sold him to the Celtics, didn't resign House and then used the money saved and earned to bring in Marcus Banks and Eric Piatkowski in their places. Griff and Vinny are two of the smartest guys around in my opinion, and I think Sarver and Kerr have realized this. That is why I am confident that Dragic will be a good player and why I am not confident that Marcus Williams will ever be a difference maker in the NBA.

I do agree that if the right deal comes along, we shouldn't hesitate to move Barbosa. He doesn't play particularly well in the playoffs, especially against the Spurs. He did however make a couple of game winners last season. That being said, Nash played particularly bad against the Spurs in the playoffs especially late in games, yet we are not banding his name around to trade him.

Its like Frank Lee said, there is no need to take 75 cents on the dollar for him.

I do like Boone and Sean Williams and think they can be serviceable bigs for any team. But with Shaq, Amare, Lopez and Diaw all seeing time at the 4/5 it is not a need for us that can't be remedied by just resigning Skinner. And Sean or Josh will cost the Suns about a million more than Skinner with the tax applied. For your 5th best big, on a team strapped for cash, I don't see that as a value.

I know you are trying to think of how we can get better, but I want us better next year! Your ideas seem to be geared more towards us being better in 2 to 3 years. Adding young guys who are contributers but not legitimate "starters" in the league, will only take away from our ability to bring in a top notch FA when Shaq and Nash"s big contracts come off the books! You could pair Amare with Wade, Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, TMac, Yao, Redd, or Nowitzki.

Not a bad time to be able to offer a superstar a big contract or to grab two top notch FA's!

We have a strong young nucleus with Amare, Barbs, Diaw, Lopez, DJ, Tuck and hopefully Dragic. No more adding unproven youngsters who are going to be disgruntled with a lack of playing time and are going to be searching for a big payday.

[walkingart]

Thing is, why would any team want a 6th man 2 gaurd for their starting or borderline starter 3 or 2? Suns fans were stoked with the Webster thing but why would Portland have done it? They loose starting SF, backup PG, and the 13th. Instead they got a starter and an energy big for him.

Websters' still a Blazer. They got a big (that hasn't been a solid contributer yet, on a bad team) and the #11 pick for an expendable PG who wasn't going to see much playing time as foreign prospects start to come over, a big who spent most of his time inactive last season, and the #13 pick. Plus, Pritchard took Bird out back and made him his biatch IMO. Rush is going to amount to zero and Bayless will be a solid starter in a few years.

Barbosa could start at the 2 for a lot of teams in the league, and could potentially start at the point for a few teams, like the Blazers, who run their half court offense through someone other than the point. As a starter for the Suns, he averaged 20+ points per game.

And the deal for Webster never included them sending us the #13 pick, it was Webster and a filler for Barbs, with talk about the Suns having to add a second round pick. Then the Blazers found a taker in Indiana to pull something else off.

[eastsidecrossover]

sd1306, chill man. Your takes are a little over the top sometimes. Some are good, and others, well, they don't make you look like you have a good bball IQ.

To the trades instead of going back and forth with walk. The first one would be awesome! This would give us that 3 who can score. Defensivly, well he is not that good, neither is JJ. Turks stock is really high right now. and diaws is not, so I honestly think orlando passes on the deal. Personally, I think this gives them a potentially good 4 next to Howard. move overpaid rashard back to his natural position at the 3, pietrus at the 2 and Nelson at the 1. Thats a good team I think. Diaw can thrive as a point forward with this team.

If this trade happened, we are still soft defensivly. But it is a good option

Second trade, not too high on it. The suns FO was high on rondo, but a certain coach said he would not play him, and we would be wasting money for a player that sits on the bench.

[Gorilla Warfare]

If Orlando takes that trade I would lose respect for their front office. My teams are the Suns in the west and Magic in the east. I have been a Suns fan my whole life but really liking that Magic team as of late. For that trade to happen we need to throw in money or another player, which they still might not take, Turk is really good and the Magic know they will regret if they trade him for a softy in Diaw, but if they do it then I will laugh and be ready for the '08-'09 finals banner to finally be raised in the purple palace.

[NashtyNas]

east, west was pissing me off cause i was in a bad mood, but whatever. I dont care what Coach D said, Rondo and Williams were our needs. Right now, Rondo wont be traded, Williams will. He CAN be a solid contributor on any team if he gets the burn which is why NJ wants to trade him and give him a chance. KVH expires in 2010 giving us 3.8mil or so in cap relief. One forward is a bACKup for stoudemire because i think BOTH these trades TOGETHER are better than just one. We get perimeter defence in Williams, and down low in boone. A 2012 first and 2010 second seems to have most Magic fans feeling its a good trade, and i doubt we wouldnt take it for that. turk isnt THAT bad on defence as most ppl think he is. Reddick, yes, but he provides us with massive firepower off the bench to replace Barbosa (yes he isnt as proved but his spot up 3 ptrs with the front line we'd have in Shaq/Stoudemire/Turk is very valueable like Matt Carrol....)