2007/8 All Impact Players Rankings

[Amen316]

The 2007/2008 Season is over and the biggest on-court High Impact players were placed in their order.

2007/8 ALL COURT IMPACT PLAYERS

When these players step on the court they make an impact on both sides of the court. There are 3 levels which are ranked in tiers by the minutes these players play.

The 2nd Annual ALL - Impact PlayersScouting the NBA releases its 2007/8 ALL-Impact team. This is based on a players output vs the amount of time these players are on the court. Much like a per 40 these players have wins, stats, and other very small variables.

Tier I - First Team All Impact Players 32minutes Plus
1. Chris Paul - New Orleans 19.01
2. Kobe Bryant - LA Lakers 18.76
3. Lebron James - Cleveland 17.98
edit: Tim Duncan - San Antonio 16.62
4. Dirk Nowitzki - Dallas 16.56
5. Amare Stoudemire - Phoenix 16.16

Tier I- Second Team All Impact Players 32minutes Plus
1. Dwight Howard - Orlando 15.96
2. Paul Pierce - Boston 15.85
3. Allen Iverson - Denver 15.78
4. Kevin Garnett - Boston 15.55
5. David West - New Orleans 14.96

Tier I - Third Team All Impact Players 32minutes Plus
1. Deron Williams - Utah 14.88
2. Carlos Boozer - Utah 14.76
3. Steve Nash - Phoenix 14.64
4. Chauncey Billups -- Detroit 14.45
5. Yao Ming - Houston 13.91

This is a listing of TIER I PLAYERS

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Chris Paul   NOH   19.01
Kobe Bryant   LAL   18.76
Lebron James   CLE   17.98
Tim Duncan   SAS   16.62
Dirk Nowitzki   DAL   16.56
Amare Stoudemire   PHO   16.16
Dwight Howard   ORL   15.96
Paul Pierce   BOS   15.85
Allen Iverson   DEN   15.78
Kevin Garnett   BOS   15.55
David West   NOH   14.96
Deron Williams   UTA   14.88
Carlos Boozer   UTA   14.76
Baron Davis   GSW   14.72
Steve Nash   PHO   14.64
Chauncey Billups   DET   14.45
Yao Ming   HOU   13.91
Carmelo Anthony   DEN   13.86
Andre Iguodala   PHI   13.77
Lamar Odom   LAL   13.71
Tracy McGrady   HOU   13.70
Antawn Jamison   WAS   13.29
Chris Bosh   TOR   13.17
Hidayet Turkoglu   ORL   13.15
Josh Howard   DAL   13.08
Tyson Chandler   NOH   13.06
Ray Allen   BOS   12.93
Tony Parker   SAS   12.84
Monta Ellis   GSW   12.64
Marcus Camby   DEN   12.53
Joe Johnson   ATL   12.49
Rashard Lewis   ORL   12.40
Josh Smith   ATL   12.26
Brandon Roy   POR   12.10
Andre Miller   PHI   12.07
Al Jefferson   MIN   12.06
Rudy Gay   MEM   12.02
Vince Carter   NJN   11.96
Peja Stojakovic   NOH   11.89
Jason Richardson   CHaR   11.82
Tayshaun Prince   DET   11.76
Richard Hamilton   DET   11.69
Richard Jefferson   NJN   11.54
Stephen Jackson   GSW   11.43
Mike Dunleavy   IND   11.23
Shane Battier   HOU   11.12
LaMarcus Aldridge   POR   10.99
Kevin Martin   SAC   10.97
Corey Maggette   LAC   10.90
Shawn Marion(Phx)   PHO   10.83
Danny Granger   IND   10.81
Brad Miller   SAC   10.54
Mehmut Okur   UTA   10.52
Samuel Dalembert   PHI   10.49
Ron Artest   SAC   10.43
Michael Redd   MIL   10.35
Emeka Okafor   CHaR   10.20
Jamal Crawford   NYK   10.19
Gerald Wallace   CHaR   10.08
Chris Kaman   LAC   10.06
Andrew Bogut   MIL   9.85
Anthony Parker   TOR   9.66
Mike Miller   MEM   9.60
Kevin Durant   SEA   9.60
Dwayne Wade   MIA   9.59
Raymond Felton   CHaR   9.51
Jason Kidd(Njn)   NJN   9.48
Zachary Randolph   NYK   9.24
Marvin Williams   ATL   9.19
Pau Gasol (LaL)   LAL   8.93
Maurice Williams   MIL   8.88
Luol Deng   CHI   8.72
Raja Bell   PHO   8.63
Jason Kidd(Dal)   DAL   8.60
Pau Gasol (Mem)   MEM   8.16
Cuttino Mobley   LAC   7.96
Beno Udrih   SAC   7.53
Mike Bibby(ATL)   ATL   6.37
Jamaal Tinsley   IND   6.37
Ben Wallace-(Chi)   CHI   6.28
Shawn Marion(Mia)   MIA   6.19
Devin Harris(Njn)   NJN   6.16
Udonis Haslem   MIA   6.15
Sebastian Telfair   MIN   5.60
Randy Foye   MIN   5.22
Elton Brand   LAC   5.18
Stephon Marbury   NYK   4.45

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This Tier II is based on the second tier of NBA players that play between 24-32minutes a game. These players are either on their way up, or they are latter stages of their career.

Tier II - 1st Team Impact Players 24 - 31.9minutes
1. Manu Ginoboli - San Antonio 14.98
2. Rasheed Wallace - Detroit 11.85
3. Jason Terry - Dallas 11.71
4. Rajon Rondo - Boston 11.27
5. Jose Calderon - Toronto 11.12

Tier II - 2nd Team Impact Players
1. Leandro Barbosa - Phoenix 10.22
2. Andre Kirilenko - Utah 10.18
3. Zydrunas Ilgaukas - Cleveland 10.17
4. Antonio McDyess - Detroit 10.15
5. Luis Scola - Houston 9.96

Tier II - 3rd Team Impact Players
1. Grant Hill - Phoenix 9.75
2. Michael Finley - San Antonio 9.60
3. Andris Biedrins - Golden State 9.42
4. Ronnie Brewer - Utah 9.34
5. Derek Fisher - LA Lakers 9.25

Here are the TIER II Players

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Manu Ginoboli   SAS   14.98
Rasheed Wallace   DET   11.85
Jason Terry   DAL   11.71
Rajon Rondo   BOS   11.27
Jose Calderon   TOR   11.12
Leandro Barbosa   PHO   10.22
Andre Kirilenko   UTA   10.18
Zydrunas Ilgauskas   CLE   10.17
Antonio McDyess   DET   10.15
Luis Scola   HOU   9.96
Grant Hill   PHO   9.75
Michael Finley   SAS   9.60
Andris Biedrins   GSW   9.42
Ronnie Brewer   UTA   9.34
Derek Fisher   LAL   9.25
Kendrick Perkins   BOS   9.13
Ben Gordon   CHI   9.12
Al Horford   ATL   9.01
Travis Outlaw   POR   8.95
James Posey   BOS   8.81
Al Harrington   GSW   8.76
Brendan Haywood   WAS   8.76
John Salmons   SAC   8.74
Jamario Moon   TOR   8.73
Boris Diaw   PHO   8.62
Josh Childress   ATL   8.53
Jameer Nelson   ORL   8.53
Jarrett Jack   POR   8.52
Andrew Bynum   LAL   8.34
Kenyon Martin   DEN   8.34
Bruce Bowen   SAS   8.33
Troy Murphy   IND   8.33
David Lee   NYK   8.31
Deshawn Stevenson   WAS   8.27
Erik Dampier   DAL   8.22
Kirk Hinrich   CHI   8.19
Steve Blake   POR   8.18
Ryan Gomes   MIN   8.05
Francisco Garcia   SAC   7.83
Devin Harris(Dal)   DAL   7.69
Keith Bogans   ORL   7.66
Willie Green   PHI   7.61
Martel Webster   POR   7.61
Andres Nocioni   CHI   7.53
Anthony Carter   DEN   7.38
Al Thornton   LAC   7.37
Nick Collison   SEA   7.33
Earl Watson   SEA   7.28
Jerry Stackhouse   DAL   7.01
Kyle Lowry   MEM   7.00
Tim Thomas   LAC   6.96
Rashad McCants   MIN   6.95
Drew Gooden   CLE   6.93
Mikki Moore   SAC   6.91
Charlie Villanueva   MIL   6.69
Juan Carlos Navarro   MEM   6.69
Nate Robinson   NYK   6.67
Josh Boone   NJN   6.65
Chris Wilcox   SEA   6.64
Shaq O'Neal(Mia)   PHO   6.58
Marco Jaric   MIN   6.44
Daniel Gibson   CLE   6.39
Jermaine O'Neal   IND   6.03
Jeff Green   SEA   5.96
Jason Williams   MIA   5.93
Matt Carroll   CHaR   5.92
Larry Hughes(cle)   CLE   5.90
Anderson Varejo   CLE   5.80
Eddy Curry   NYK   5.41
Damien Wilkins   SEA   5.40
Drew Gooden   CHI   5.39
Desmond Mason   MIL   5.38
Shaq O'Neal   MIA   5.33
Yi  Jianlian   MIL   5.32
Delonte West(Cle)   CLE   5.26
Charlie Bell   MIL   5.16
Mike Conley   MEM   5.11
Quientin Richardson   NYK   5.06
Kurt Thomas(Sea)   SEA   4.96
Anthony Johnson   ATL   4.72
Larry Hughes(Chi)   CHI   4.67
Dorell Wright   MIA   4.54
Mike Bibby   SAC   4.49
Daequan Cook   MIA   4.12
Ramon Sessions   MIL   4.05
Ben Wallace-(Cle)   CLE   4.03
Kyle Korver(Phi)   PHI   3.91
Kirk Snyder(Min)   MIN   3.77
Antoine Wright-(NJN)   NJN   3.67
Kasib Powell   MIA   2.49

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These players are also either on their way up or down in careers, but the great part about this tier III is that many of these players really help their teams grind out wins by coming in during specialty times of the game.

Tier III Players 1st team with 14 -23.99minutes
1. Jason Maxiell - Detroit 8.72
2. Louis Williams - Phileadelphia 8.25
3. Jordan Farmar - La Lakers 8.22
4. Carlos Delfino - Toronto 7.99
5. Fabricio Oberto - San Antonio 7.98

Tier III Players 2nd team with 14 -23.99minutes
1. Eddie House - Boston 7.85
2. Paul Milsap - Utah 7.77
3. Linas Kleiza - Denver 7.44
4. Chuck Hayes - Houston 7.41
5. Morris Peterson - New Orleans 7.40

Tier III Players 3rd team with 14 -23.99minutes
1. Luke Walton - LA Lakers 7.36
2. Luther Head - Houston 7.33
3. Tony Allen - Boston 7.19
4. Joel Przybilla - Portland 7.15
5. Jannero Pargo - New Orleans 7.15

One thing is for certain the success of Houston, Boston, Detroit, and San Antonio largely was the result of each teams bench play. These players are also ready at any moment for an additional 10-12 minutes a game. Especially if a starter was to be injured for any amount of time.

Here is the rankings players were taken from. not shown is minutes played.

Here is the ranking of the TIER III this happens to mix in 10 minute players also but in general this is the 14- 23minute players

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Linas Kleiza   DEN   7.44
Jason Maxiell   DET   8.72
Louis Williams   PHI   8.25
Jordan Farmer   LAL   8.22
Carlos Delfino   TOR   7.99
Fabricio Oberto   SAS   7.98
Eddie House   BOS   7.85
Paul Milsap   UTA   7.77
Chuck Hayes   HOU   7.41
Morris Peterson   NOH   7.40
Luke Walton   LAL   7.36
Luther Head   HOU   7.33
Tony Allen   BOS   7.19
Joel Przybilla   POR   7.15
Jannero Pargo   NOH   7.15
TJ Ford   TOR   7.11
Reggie Evans   PHI   7.11
JR Smith   DEN   7.04
Ime Udoka   SAS   6.97
Bonzi Wells(Hou)   HOU   6.95
Ronny Turiaf   LAL   6.93
Andrea Bargnani   TOR   6.87
Jarvis Hayes   DET   6.83
Thaddeus Young   PHI   6.81
Maurice Evans   ORL   6.69
Vladimir Radmanovic   LAL   6.68
Radoslac Nesterovic   TOR   6.58
Sasha Vujacic   LAL   6.43
Kelenna Azubuike   GSW   6.40
Roger Mason   WAS   6.38
Rodney Stuckey   DET   6.34
Hakim Warrick   MEM   6.33
Matt Harpring   UTA   6.31
Leon Powe   BOS   6.29
Joakim Noah   CHI   6.27
Bostjan Nachbar   NJN   6.11
Channing Frye   POR   6.08
Eduardo Najera   DEN   6.03
Nazr Mohammed   CHaR   6.00
Kenyon Dooling   ORL   5.83
Matt Barnes   GSW   5.83
Ty Thomas   CHI   5.80
Craig Smith   MIN   5.75
Carl Landry   HOU   5.68
Jacque Vaughn   SAS   5.64
Kyle Korver(Uth)   UTA   5.62
Arron Afflalo   DET   5.57
Jason Kapono   TOR   5.57
Carlos Arroyo   ORL   5.54
Joe Smith(Chi)   CHI   5.52
James Jones   POR   5.52
Glen Davis   BOS   5.50
Thabo Sefolosha   CHI   5.49
Amir Johnson   DET   5.48
Darko Milicic   MEM   5.43
Bobby Jackson   NOH   5.25
Chris Duhon   CHI   5.21
Brent Barry   SAS   5.18
Sean Williams    NJN   5.18
Jared Dudley   CHaR   5.17
Mickael Pietrus   GSW   5.15
Kris Humphries   TOR   5.09
Desagana Diop(Dal)   DAL   5.03
Corey Brewer   MIN   4.97
Travis Diener   IND   4.97
Wally Szczerbiak (Sea)   SEA   4.95
Kareem Rush   IND   4.94
Chris Quinn   MIA   4.85
Nick Young   WAS   4.84
Rodney Carney   PHI   4.84
Jason Smith   PHI   4.82
Bobby Simmons   MIL   4.68
Josh Powell   LAC   4.59
Dikembe Mutombo   HOU   4.58
Aaron Brooks   HOU   4.45
Julian Wright   NOH   4.44
Rasual Butler   NOH   4.38
Johan Petro   SEA   4.35
Quinton Ross   LAC   4.31
Aleksandar Pavlovic   CLE   4.22
Brian Skinner   PHO   4.13
Zaza Pachulia   ATL   4.12
Shawne Williams   IND   4.12
Luke Ridnour   SEA   4.11
Kurt Thomas(Sas)   SAS   4.10
CJ Miles   UTA   4.09
Royal Ivey   MIL   4.08
Malik Allen   NJN   4.08
Hilton Armstrong   NOH   4.06
Bonzi Wells(NOH)   NOH   4.05
Kwame Brown(Lal)   LAL   4.04
Marcus Williams(Uconn)   NJN   4.03
Spencer Hawes   SAC   4.00
Ronald Murray (Det)   DET   3.87
Mike James(Hou)   HOU   3.85
Antoine Walker   MIN   3.84
Joe Smith(Cle)   CLE   3.79
Jared Jefferies   NYK   3.75
Quincy Douby   SAC   3.73
Ronald Murray (Ind)   IND   3.65
Wally Szczerbiak (Cle)   CLE   3.55
Aaron Gray   CHI   3.54
Sam Cassell   BOS   3.54
Renaldo Blackman   NYK   3.54
Nenad Krstic   NJN   3.52
Jose Juan Barea   DAL   3.45
Brian Scalabrine   BOS   3.37
Acie Law   ATL   3.31
Damon Stoudemire(mem)   MEM   3.26
Delonte West(Sea)   SEA   3.23
Brian Cook   ORL   3.18
Damon Stoudemire(Sa)   SAS   3.10
Gordon Giricek(Phx)   PHO   3.10
Tyronn Lue (Atl)   ATL   3.04
Stromile Swift (mem)   MEM   3.03
Wilson Chandler   NYK   2.96
Juan Dixon(Tor)   TOR   2.96
Juan Dixon(Det)   DET   2.95
Marcus Banks   MIA   2.81
Nazr Mohammed   DET   2.76
Javaris Crittenton(mem)   MEM   2.67
Alonzo Mourning   MIA   2.66
David Harrison   IND   2.66
Theo Ratliff   DET   2.65
Smush Parker   LAC   2.63
Bobby Jones   DEN   2.63
Nick Fazekas(LaC)   LAC   2.60
Austin Croshere   GSW   2.51
Alexander Johnson   MIA   2.46
Salim Stoudemire   ATL   2.46
Maybyner Hilario   DEN   2.45
Mardy Collins   NYK   2.45
Ruben Patterson   LAC   2.40
Shelden Williams (Atl)   ATL   2.39
Shelden Williams (Sac)   SAC   2.39
Desagana Diop(NJN)   NJN   2.37
Chris Richard   MIN   2.32
Brandan Wright   GSW   2.29
Trenton Hassell (Dal)   DAL   2.29
Ike Diop   GSW   2.28
Stromile Swift (njn)   NJN   2.23
Stephane Lasme   MIA   2.21
Theo Ratliff   MIN   2.19
Gerald Green(Min)   MIN   2.12
Shannon Brown (Cle)   CLE   2.10
Andre Owens   IND   2.03
Gordon Giricek(Uth)   UTA   2.03
Marcus Banks   PHO   1.94
Casey Jacobsen   MEM   1.92
Antoine Wright-(Dal)   DAL   1.85
Luke Jackson   MIA   1.83
CJ Watson   GSW   1.81
Jason Collins(Njn)   NJN   1.75
Tyronn Lue (Dal)   DAL   1.68
Chris Webber   GSW   1.60
Smush Parker   MIA   1.56
Kwame Brown(mem)   MEM   1.55
Jason Collins(Mem)   MEM   1.52
Jamaal Magloire(Njn)   NJN   1.47
Victor Khryapa   CHI   1.34
Trenton Hassell (Njn)   NJN   1.32
Kenny Thomas   SAC   1.17
Primoz Brezec (Cha)   CHaR   1.06
Randolph Morris   NYK   0.92
Troy Hudson   GSW   0.76
Robert Swift   SEA   0.62

[ChilliWilly15]

Chris Paul was SOOOOO obviously the mvp.

[Copperhead]

Amen316 where did you find this? Are these your rankings?

[Amen316]

I began designing computer programs for basketball coaches, leagues, etc. I then found something while I was making it that began to show far more about the game than I realized. I decided after a failed attempt to be signed on by an online gaming developer (I use to make anticheat software for online games) to turn all of my free time towards this.

To answer your questions these are not my personal rankings, it is however the output of a program that was designed. As far as Impact player program that was created last year. I will later tonite copy paste those results in here.

[Rocky5000]

If I understand the minutes grouping, it treats guys a little unfairly. Is it a per minute stat? If it's not than guys like KG, who played 32 minutes a night will be unfairly penalized when compared to the 40+minute guys like LeBron and AI.

[ss1986v2]

hate to sound like a homer, but where was duncan on the teams? according to the list, hes #4, but didnt make any of the teams. do you have a link?

[Copperhead]

I began designing computer programs for basketball coaches, leagues, etc. I then found something while I was making it that began to show far more about the game than I realized. I decided after a failed attempt to be signed on by an online gaming developer (I use to make anticheat software for online games) to turn all of my free time towards this.

To answer your questions these are not my personal rankings, it is however the output of a program that was designed. As far as Impact player program that was created last year. I will later tonite copy paste those results in here.

Thanks for your reply.

[Cevap]

What I'd like to see is how different players impact varies before and after trades...For example, Kobe before and after the Gasol trade, Dirk and Kidd, LeBron before and after the big shakeup...

[Amen316]

Here is the group removing endurance and durability. This will also help answer the per minute question that one of you had. This is simply each minute played a players impact. (As far as Kevin Garnett goes, he is dominating but the truth is Boston amazingly has shown to have the deepest team in the NBA. If Boston was to of lost Kevin Garnett for any amount of time the production levels of Leon Powe, Glen Davis combination should equate to about 70% of the value. Allowing the other starters to step up and produce a little more.) No team wants to be placed in that situation but Boston has shown it is very deep in paint players.
Tim Duncan miss was my fault, I will correct that, because yes he is in the top 5 on once durability and endurance for a center/pf is equated in.

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Chris Paul        NOH   34.49
Lebron James   CLE   34.12
Kobe Bryant   LAL   33.55
Yao Ming                  HOU   30.28 (even his name sounds like he is in pain Yao)
Dirk Nowitzki   DAL   30.25

Tim Duncan   SAS   29.97
Kevin Garnett   BOS   29.70
Amare Stoudemire   PHO   29.55
Manu Ginoboli   SAS   27.75
Dwight Howard   ORL   27.72

Paul Pierce     BOS   27.49
Allen Iverson   DEN   27.30
David West     NOH   26.71
Tracy McGrady   HOU   26.47
Carlos Boozer   UTA   25.61

Steve Nash    PHO   25.59
Chris Bosh     TOR   25.47
Chauncey Billups   DET   25.41
Deron Williams   UTA   25.35
Baron Davis     GSW   25.27

Pau Gasol (LaL)   LAL   25.21
Shawn Marion(Phx)   PHO   24.99
Carmelo Anthony   DEN   24.84
Lamar Odom   LAL   23.92 (takes alot of heat when team fails but the sloth produces)
Tony Parker   SAS   23.88

Jason Kidd(Dal)   DAL   23.46
Ray Allen       BOS   22.84
Andre Iguodala   PHI   22.78 (just say big big contract year)
Antawn Jamison   WAS   22.71
Josh Howard   DAL   22.57

Tyson Chandler   NOH   22.00
Kevin Martin   SAC   21.88
Hidayet Turkoglu   ORL   21.76 (no kidding I looked twice)
Marcus Camby   DEN   21.50 (given up on for a 2nd rounder, why am i not a GM)
Ron Artest     SAC   21.37 ( going to make Houston a force)

Andrew Bynum   LAL   21.31  (sure looks great add durability and he drops)
Brandon Roy   POR   21.12
Monta Ellis     GSW   21.05
Dwayne Wade   MIA   20.83
Chris Kaman   LAC   20.74

Vince Carter   NJN   20.59
Richard Hamilton   DET   20.55
Jason Kidd(Njn)   NJN   20.41
Josh Smith     ATL   20.39
Joe Johnson   ATL   20.26 (doesnt really equate to many wins, great stats though)

Rashard Lewis   ORL   20.25
Rasheed Wallace   DET   20.08
Stephen Jackson   GSW   19.98
Rudy Gay       MEM   19.98
Al Jefferson   MIN   19.95

Peja Stojakovic   NOH   19.85
Pau Gasol (Mem)   MEM   19.78
Shawn Marion(Mia)   MIA   19.75
Corey Maggette   LAC   19.70
Gerald Wallace   CHaR   19.42

Andre Miller   PHI   19.41
Jason Richardson   CHaR   19.14
Jason Terry   DAL   18.81 (when you look at Terry/Harris wasnt a bad combo)
Rajon Rondo   BOS   18.76 (Phx gave this kid up...)
Tayshaun Prince   DET   18.60

Brad Miller     SAC   18.47 (who wouldve though he is a top 75 player in the league)
Richard Jefferson   NJN   18.43 (the bucks are going to be better)
LaMarcus Aldridge   POR   18.41 (dont be surprised if he is better than Greg for awhile)
Mehmut Okur   UTA   18.25
Devin Harris(Dal)   DAL   18.24 (less minutes more productive, Avery may have been scapegoat)

Mike Dunleavy   IND   18.10
Michael Redd   MIL   18.09
Elton Brand   LAC   18.02
Jose Calderon   TOR   17.88 (breaking out)
Danny Granger   IND   17.76 (see above)

Shaq O'Neal   PHO   17.69
Andre Kirilenko   UTA   17.63
Zydrunas Ilgauskas   CLE   17.49
Shane Battier   HOU   17.30
Devin Harris(Njn)   NJN   17.06 (Amazing to see he played better defense in dallas)

Grant Hill      PHO   17.02 (old legs, but look at the names he is above.)
Mike Miller     MEM   16.81
Samuel Dalembert   PHI   16.29
Drew Gooden   CHI   16.22
Antonio McDyess   DET   16.19

Zachary Randolph   NYK   16.18
Mike Bibby(ATL)   ATL   16.07
Jamal Crawford   NYK   16.05
Emeka Okafor   CHaR   16.00
Leandro Barbosa   PHO   16.00
Luol Deng      CHI   16.00 (his 2006 numbers were really high)
Andrew Bogut   MIL   15.95
Maurice Williams   MIL   15.85
Andris Biedrins   GSW   15.59
Luis Scola      HOU   15.44 (breaking out )
Ben Gordon   CHI   15.37
Ronnie Brewer   UTA   15.18
Kevin Durant   SEA   15.15 (2008 r.o.y)
Raymond Felton   CHaR   14.78
Jamaal Tinsley   IND   14.64
Anthony Parker   TOR   14.58 (overseas sensation great pickup)
Jameer Nelson   ORL   14.53
TJ Ford         TOR   14.50
Michael Finley   SAS   14.38
Kendrick Perkins   BOS   14.24
James Posey   BOS   14.19
Delonte West(Cle)   CLE   14.12
Marvin Williams   ATL   13.97
Bonzi Wells(Hou)   HOU   13.90 (so many teams write this guy off)
Derek Fisher   LAL   13.87 (see above)
Mike Bibby     SAC   13.80
Kenyon Martin   DEN   13.73
Drew Gooden   CLE   13.70
Al Horford     ATL    13.59
Josh Childress   ATL   13.58
Jamario Moon   TOR   13.50
Travis Outlaw   POR   13.41
Brendan Haywood   WAS   13.35
Erik Dampier   DAL   13.33
Troy Murphy   IND   13.33
Al Harrington   GSW   13.26
Raja Bell        PHO   13.20
Jermaine O'Neal   IND   13.19
Larry Hughes(cle)   CLE   12.98
John Salmons   SAC   12.98
Jason Maxiell   DET   12.97
Shaq O'Neal   MIA   12.92
Brent Barry   SAS   12.77
Beno Udrih    SAC   12.76
Jerry Stackhouse   DAL   12.75
Kirk Hinrich   CHI   12.71
Boris Diaw     PHO   12.53
Jarrett Jack   POR   12.41
Louis Williams   PHI   12.39
David Lee       NYK   12.38
Carl Landry     HOU   12.27
Ben Wallace-(Chi)   CHI   12.23
Udonis Haslem   MIA   12.14
Jordan Farmer   LAL   12.11
Ramon Sessions   MIL   11.97
Tim Thomas   LAC   11.83
Stephon Marbury   NYK   11.80
Eddie House   BOS   11.77
Deshawn Stevenson   WAS   11.75
Anthony Carter   DEN   11.75
Cuttino Mobley   LAC   11.73
Larry Hughes(Chi)   CHI   11.72
Willie Green   PHI   11.66
[b]Leon Powe    BOS   11.66[/b]
Steve Blake    POR   11.64
Ryan Gomes   MIN   11.60
Francisco Garcia   SAC   11.54
Carlos Delfino   TOR   11.50
Chris Wilcox   SEA   11.49
Anderson Varejo   CLE   11.49
Bruce Bowen   SAS   11.48
Rodney Stuckey   DET   11.41
Martel Webster   POR   11.38
Fabricio Oberto   SAS   11.38
Randy Foye    MIN   11.37
Luther Head   HOU   11.36
Paul Milsap    UTA   11.28
Luke Walton   LAL   11.12
Daniel Gibson   CLE   11.05
Ben Wallace-(Cle)   CLE   10.98
Vladimir Radmanovic   LAL   10.91
Ronald Murray (Det)   DET   10.88
Bonzi Wells(NOH)   NOH   10.87
JR Smith        DEN   10.85
Morris Peterson   NOH   10.79
Linas Kleiza     DEN   10.77
Tony Allen      BOS   10.73
Nick Collison   SEA   10.72
Kyle Korver(Uth)   UTA   10.65
Chuck Hayes   HOU   10.58
Andres Nocioni   CHI   10.57
Earl Watson   SEA   10.57
Keith Bogans   ORL   10.55
Maurice Evans   ORL   10.52
Ime Udoka     SAS   10.52
Joe Smith(Chi)   CHI   10.49
Al Thornton   LAC   10.48
Joel Przybilla   POR   10.30
Kurt Thomas(Sea)   SEA   10.30
Rashad McCants   MIN   10.27
Bobby Jackson   NOH   10.27
Josh Boone   NJN   10.25
Sam Cassell    BOS   10.17
Nazr Mohammed   CHaR   10.11
Thaddeus Young   PHI   10.10
Nate Robinson   NYK   10.08
Jannero Pargo   NOH   9.98
Radoslac Nesterovic   TOR   9.98
Kurt Thomas(Sas)   SAS   9.93
Ronny Turiaf   LAL   9.87
Kyle Korver(Phi)   PHI   9.83
Reggie Evans   PHI   9.71
Charlie Villanueva   MIL   9.66
Dikembe Mutombo   HOU   9.61
Sasha Vujacic   LAL   9.58
Andrea Bargnani   TOR   9.54
Ronald Murray (Ind)   IND   9.50
Kyle Lowry    MEM   9.43  (someone is going to have a breakout player)
Anthony Johnson   ATL   9.42
Joe Smith(Cle)   CLE   9.36
Jarvis Hayes   DET   9.19
James Jones   POR   9.17
Kirk Snyder(Min)   MIN   9.17
Jason Williams   MIA   9.14
Gerald Green(Hou)   HOU   9.13
Wally Szczerbiak (Sea)   SEA   9.04
Marco Jaric   MIN   9.00
Joakim Noah   CHI   8.97
Sebastian Telfair   MIN   8.97
Hakim Warrick   MEM   8.93
Wally Szczerbiak (Cle)   CLE   8.91
Mikki Moore   SAC   8.91
Mike Conley   MEM   8.85
Eddy Curry    NYK   8.85
Desagana Diop(Dal)   DAL   8.83
Dorell Wright   MIA   8.80
Amir Johnson   DET   8.79
Matt Harpring   UTA   8.76
Juan Carlos Navarro   MEM   8.72
Carlos Arroyo   ORL   8.71
Desmond Mason   MIL   8.66
Marcus Banks   MIA   8.45
Roger Mason   WAS   8.39
Mike James(Hou)   HOU   8.36
Bostjan Nachbar   NJN   8.33
Kelenna Azubuike   GSW   8.24
Kenyon Dooling   ORL   8.19
Juan Dixon(Det)   DET   8.18
Kwame Brown(Lal)   LAL   8.13
Channing Frye   POR   8.07
Matt Barnes   GSW   8.05
Ty Thomas     CHI   7.99
Glen Davis      BOS   7.83
Eduardo Najera   DEN   7.80
Gordon Giricek(Phx)   PHO   7.77
Thabo Sefolosha   CHI   7.76
Yi  Jianlian     MIL   7.69
Kasib Powell   MIA   7.64
Aaron Brooks   HOU   7.61
Craig Smith    MIN   7.52
Chris Quinn   MIA   7.44
Darko Milicic   MEM   7.43
Jacque Vaughn   SAS   7.41
Chris Duhon   CHI   7.39 (this is the NY starting pg???)
Jeff Green     SEA   7.39
Theo Ratliff   DET   7.34
Arron Afflalo   DET   7.33
Matt Carroll   CHaR   7.30
Damon Stoudemire(memMEM   7.26
Mickael Pietrus   GSW   7.25
Rasual Butler   NOH   7.18
Michael Harris   HOU   7.15
Quientin Richardson   NYK   7.08
Charlie Bell                  MIL   7.07
Julian Wright   NOH   6.96
Nazr Mohammed   DET   6.95
Travis Diener   IND   6.91
Kris Humphries   TOR   6.89
Aleksandar Pavlovic   CLE   6.83
Sean Williams    NJN   6.79
Smush Parker   LAC   6.76
Theo Ratliff   MIN   6.75
Damien Wilkins   SEA   6.74
Maybyner Hilario   DEN   6.67
Jared Dudley   CHaR   6.64
Antoine Wright-(NJN)   NJN   6.63
Antoine Walker   MIN   6.61
Jason Kapono   TOR   6.46
Damon Stoudemire(Sa)   SAS   6.43
Delonte West(Sea)   SEA   6.35
Ian Mahinmi   SAS   6.32
Nick Fazekas(LaC)   LAC   6.30
Josh Powell   LAC   6.25
Rodney Carney   PHI   6.22
Kareem Rush   IND   6.21
Marcus Williams(UconnNJN   6.12
Alonzo Mourning   MIA   6.09
Stephane Lasme   MIA   6.05
Tyronn Lue (Atl)   ATL   6.03
Kirk Snyder(Hou)   HOU   6.02
Steve Novak   HOU   5.97
Ike Diop                  GSW   5.95
Shannon Brown (Cle)   CLE   5.92
Ruben Patterson   LAC   5.89
Jose Juan Barea   DAL   5.82
Nenad Krstic   NJN   5.81
Stromile Swift (mem)   MEM   5.76
Bobby Simmons   MIL   5.75
Nick Young                  WAS   5.69
Daequan Cook   MIA   5.67
Javaris Crittenton(memMEM   5.58
Wilson Chandler   NYK   5.54
Demarr Johnson   SAS   5.54
Jason Smith   PHI   5.52
Luke Ridnour   SEA   5.48
Juan Dixon(Tor)   TOR   5.44
Zaza Pachulia   ATL   5.43
Corey Brewer   MIN   5.41
CJ Miles         UTA   5.36
Darius Washington jr.   SAS   5.22
Stromile Swift (njn)   NJN   5.21
Shawne Williams   IND   5.11
Brian Scalabrine   BOS   5.04
Brian Skinner   PHO   4.95
Brian Cook                 ORL   4.91
Johan Petro   SEA   4.89
Hilton Armstrong   NOH   4.88
Luke Jackson   MIA   4.88
Desagana Diop(NJN)   NJN   4.81
Chris Webber   GSW   4.76
Shelden Williams (Sac)   SAC   4.74
Antoine Wright-(Dal)   DAL   4.73
Cheick Samb   DET   4.69
Smush Parker   MIA   4.65
Gabe Pruitt   BOS   4.53
Gordon Giricek(Uth)   UTA   4.36
Ronnie Price   UTA   4.31
Quinton Ross   LAC   4.22
Aaron Gray     CHI   4.21
Spencer Hawes   SAC   4.17
Malik Allen     NJN   4.15
Salim Stoudemire   ATL   4.10
Acie Law        ATL   3.97
Primoz Brezec (Det)   DET   3.91
Jeremy Richardson(Sas)SAS   3.90
Tyronn Lue (Dal)   DAL   3.90
Royal Ivey                 MIL   3.89
Victor Khryapa   CHI   3.86
Gordon Giricek(Phi)   PHI   3.82
Gerald Green(Min)   MIN   3.80
Joey Graham   TOR   3.79
Marcus Banks   PHO   3.79
Sergio Rodriquez   POR   3.78
Shelden Williams (Atl)   ATL   3.76
Kwame Brown(mem)   MEM   3.72
Renaldo Blackman   NYK   3.71
JJ Redick       ORL   3.54
Mike James(Noh)   NOH   3.47
Oleksiy Pecherov   WAS   3.45
Jared Jefferies   NYK   3.43
Javaris Crittenton(LaL)   LAL   3.42
Brandan Wright   GSW   3.34
Marcus Vinicius   NOH   3.30
Quincy Douby   SAC   3.27
Andre Owens   IND   3.27
Bobby Jones   DEN   3.25
Taurean Green (Por)   POR   3.25
Trenton Hassell (Dal)   DAL   3.21
Juwan Howard   DAL   3.17
Austin Croshere   GSW   3.16
Josh McRoberts   POR   3.15
Alexander Johnson   MIA   3.12
Cedric Simmons(Cle)   CLE   2.92
Von Wafer (por)   POR   2.91
Primoz Brezec (Tor)   TOR   2.87
Mardy Collins   NYK   2.81
Linton Johnson(tor)   TOR   2.73
Darrick Martin   TOR   2.68
Dominic McGuire   WAS   2.67
Dj Mbenga(LaL)   LAL   2.62
Jerome James   NYK   2.59
Dahntay Jones   SAC   2.51
Jermareo Davidson   CHaR   2.49
Paul Davis       LAC   2.44
David Harrison   IND   2.43
CJ Watson       GSW   2.40
Ryan Hollins   CHaR   2.35
Shavlik Randolph   PHI   2.34
Jamaal Magloire(Njn)   NJN   2.33
Awvee Storey   MIL   2.31
Alando Tucker   PHO   2.23
Nick Fazekas(Dal)   DAL   2.07
Jamaal Magloire(Dal)   DAL   1.93
Chris Richard   MIN   1.89
Linton Johnson(Phx)   PHO   1.82
Troy Hudson   GSW   1.72
Jake Voskuhl   MIL   1.72
Othella Harrington   CHaR   1.66
Justin Williams(Sac)   SAC   1.62
Jason Collins(Mem)   MEM   1.62
Trenton Hassell (Njn)   NJN   1.59
Maurice Ager(Dal)   DAL   1.55
Maurice Ager(Njn)   NJN   1.47
Dj Strawberry   PHO   1.43
Primoz Brezec (Cha)   CHaR   1.42
Kenny Thomas   SAC   1.40
Tarence Kinsey   MEM   1.38
Robert Swift   SEA   1.37
Justin Williams(Hou)   HOU   1.30
Randolph Morris   NYK   1.24
Marcus Williams(UofA)   LAC   1.20
Jeremy Richardson(Atl)ATL   1.09
Solomon Jones   ATL   1.07
Jason Collins(Njn)   NJN   1.05
Mario West                    ATL   0.95
Demetris Nichols(Cle)   CLE   0.77
Demetris Nichols(Chi)   CHI   0.69
Casey Jacobsen   MEM   0.67
Guillermo Diaz   LAC   0.63
Steven Hunter   DEN   0.62
Mark Madsen   MIN   0.59
Shannon Brown (chi)   CHI   0.50
Kosta Perovic   GSW   0.28
Darryl Watkins   SAC   0.27
Patrick O'Bryant   GSW   0.12
Dj Mbenga(Gsw)   GSW   0.12

[rockybalboa11]

so if both yao and dwight are healthy...

JUST **** KIDDING

[Amen316]

What I'd like to see is how different players impact varies before and after trades...For example, Kobe before and after the Gasol trade, Dirk and Kidd, LeBron before and after the big shakeup...

I can break this down but not at moment, however it does show that Rudy Gay became a better player in Memphis than Gasol was as the leader. It obvious that Gasol played with more passion, confidence, and determination in LA.

As far as Kidd trade goes I can help a little there.
Kidd was the same player in NJ as he was in Dallas.
What Dallas lost was
Devin Harris whom performed just below Kidd
Desagana Diop whom amazingly is very productive on the court in many ways besides scoring points.
Jerry Stackhouse never returned the same and missed the majority of 2nd half.

Antoine Wright and Brandon Bass have filled in nicely.

[RockTHECasbah]

this means the raptors were fools for getting rid of Carlos Delfino and adding Jermaine O'Neal

[Amen316]

this means the raptors were fools for getting rid of Carlos Delfino and adding Jermaine O'Neal

No not really Jermaine is a Tier I player and Carlos is a Tier III player.
However Jermaine is actually just a solid starter and not a player that a team is built around. A team that builds around Jermaine can expect to win only 40-47games at this stage in his career. Indiana however realized that Jermaine is not worth the monies he is going to command. This again doesnt mean he doesnt produce it just means he isnt worth nothing more than 11-12million a year.
Much like Michael Redd doesnt produce near what his salary demands are.
Jermaine has very little durability at this stage in his career.

Remember Jermaine Makes 22 million per year...

Here is a look at his career since he became good
2003/4
ranked 22nd
Stephon Marbury NYK 22.51
Jermaine O'Neal IND 22.42
Lebron James CLE 22.35


2004/5 ranked 20th
Kevin Garnett MIN 31.49
Lebron James CLE 31.32
Allen Iverson PHI 30.94
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 29.85
Kobe Bryant LAL 28.44
Tracy McGrady HOU 27.11
Vince Carter NJN 26.74
Amare Stoudemire PHO 26.60
Shawn Marion PHO 26.33
Dwayne Wade MIA 25.62
Tim Duncan SAS 25.31
Larry Hughes WAS 25.15
Shaq O'Neal MIA 25.03
Chris Webber SAC 24.55
Paul Pierce BOS 24.12
Stephon Marbury NYK 24.10
Vince Carter TOT 23.46
Elton Brand LAC 23.16
Baron Davis GSW 22.99
Jermaine O'Neal IND 22.90
Jason Kidd NJN 22.81
Steve Nash PHO 22.61

2005/6 ranked 27th
Lebron James CLE 32.61
Kobe Bryant LAL 32.34
Allen Iverson PHI 31.10
Kevin Garnett MIN 29.55
Dwayne Wade MIA 29.23
Shawn Marion PHO 28.86
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 28.80
Elton Brand LAC 28.12
Paul Pierce BOS 27.26
Steve Nash PHO 25.44
Ray Allen SEA 24.77
Chris Bosh TOR 24.66
Tracy McGrady HOU 24.56
Yao Ming HOU 24.35
Pau Gasol MEM 24.08
Vince Carter NJN 23.69
Michael Redd MIL 23.56
Tim Duncan SAS 23.26
Andre Kirilenko UTA 23.06
Chauncey Billups DET 22.94
Jason Kidd NJN 22.74
Chris Webber PHI 22.52
Marcus Camby DEN 22.02
Jason Richardson GSW 21.90
Jermaine O'Neal IND 21.78
Richard Jefferson NJN 21.74
Antawn Jamison WAS 21.46
Baron Davis GSW 21.34
Joe Johnson ATL 21.21

2006/7
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 33.61
Tim Duncan SAS 31.05
Lebron James CLE 31.39
Kobe Bryant LAL 30.58
Steve Nash PHO 28.99
Tracy McGrady HOU 28.48
Shawn Marion PHO 26.50
Tony Parker SAS 24.31
Kevin Garnett MIN 27.21
Manu Ginoboli SAS 24.69
Amare Stoudemire PHO 24.55
Jason Terry DAL 22.92
Dwayne Wade MIA 30.20
Elton Brand LAC 24.73
Josh Howard DAL 24.72
Yao Ming HOU 29.14
Carlos Boozer UTA 25.35
Vince Carter NJN 24.27
Luol Deng CHI 22.65
Chauncey Billups DET 24.59
Dwight Howard ORL 23.31
Chris Bosh TOR 25.37
Jason Kidd NJN 23.35
Ben Gordon CHI 20.80
Kirk Hinrich CHI 20.76
Richard Hamilton DET 20.63
Deron Williams UTA 20.43
Leandro Barbosa PHO 20.01
Tayshaun Prince DET 18.70
Ben Wallace CHI 19.05
Andre Iguodala PHI 20.65
Allen Iverson DEN 24.41
Marcus Camby DEN 21.28
Mehmut Okur UTA 18.74
Baron Davis GSW 22.38
Zachary Randolph POR 21.46
Ray Allen SEA 23.41
Rasheed Wallace DET 18.30
Jermaine O'Neal IND 20.52
Kevin Martin SAC 18.61
Allen Iverson PHI 28.40
Shane Battier HOU 15.63


So if you look Jermaine seems to be falling off dramatically and this doesnt include games missed either.