Trade partner IDEAS for Zach Randolph (A-Z)

[Ced]

Teams that don't need or want Randolph:

-Boston: Don't have the assets to trade for him, or the need.

-Charlotte: They could trade for him, but I can't see MJ wanting a player like ZBo on the roster.

-Dallas: They are set in the frontcourt.

-Denver: They are about shedding payroll (KMart makes less, same years and Nene has a smaller contract though it's an extra year), and Randolph is basically a dulpication of Anthony, but at the 4.

-Detroit: Why ruin good chemistry? Plus, they said they'd only trade for a team's best player.

-Houston: Their team doesn't need any more chemistry questions

-Indiana: Bird has just been cleaning house of Randolph types.

-LA Lakers: No need for ZBo.

-Memphis: Youth movement, and they don't want big salaries of pedestrian players.

-Miami: Marion, Beasley and Haslem all to play in the frontcourt. No room for ZBo

-Minnesota: Committed to Jefferson and Love.

-New Jersey: Committed to rebuilding the team for potential LeBron acquisition.

-Oklahoma City: They are rebuilding and trying to win over a new fan base. I highly doubt them going for ZBo when they already have two decent power forwards (Collison and Wilcox)

-Orlando: Are set in the frontcourt.

-Philadelphia: See Orlando.

-Phoenix: See Orlando.

-Portland: Got rid of Zach because of character issues. They'll never take him back.

-San Antonio: See Orlando.

-Toronto: See Orlando.

-Utah: See Orlando.

-Washington: See Orlando.


Which leaves the following teams as potential landing grounds for Randolph.
All of the teams lack a low post scoring bigman, and are at a cross-roads direction-wise.

Atlanta: Josh Smith sign and trade for Randolph and Lee?
-The Hawks may be tempted to take this, though the Knicks don't want to take on salaries..... so I see this as an unlikley move.

Chicago: Larry Hughes? Drew Gooden and filler?
-I could realistically see Chicago making a push for Randolph, but I don't think the Knicks want Ben Gordon through a sign and trade (at the price Gordon is asking for). Maybe if a 3rd team became involved.... or just a straight dump of Randolph and Lee for Hughes and/ or Gooden and filler.

Cleveland: Randolph, Richardson and Lee for Szczerbiak and Wallace?
-An upgrade in talent for Cleveland, but a huge amount of potential salaries too. This would be an insanely good trade for New York, but I think Cleveland fans would hate to have ZBo on the same team as LeBron, taking shots and touches away.

Golden State: Harrington & Wright for Randolph and Lee?
-Golden State are such an unpredictable franchise.... you just never know. They have taken on a lot of salary lately, so they might not be so eager to take on Zach's contract. Lee is a shorter version of the recently resigned Biedrins.

LA Clippers: Camby for Randolph?
-A likely trade for both teams. Both teams get something of value. The Clippers end up with one starting center on the roster (and get a decent scoring option to help replace Brand at pf), and the Knicks get someone perfect to pair with Curry (a defensive pass first bigman)

Milwaukee: Villaneuva, Mason and Gadzuric for Lee and Randolph?
-This doesn't really make any sense for Milwaukee, but Milwaukee often overpay players and make foolish trades for one dimensional players, so who knows.

Sacramento: Thomas and Abdur-Rahim?
-Are Sac town trying to get to the playoffs now? If so it wouldn't be a bad move, but it wouldn't be a good move either. At least they wouldn't lose Lee in a deal like this, just a 2nd rounder I'd say. They save some money as SAR and Thomas expire one year before Randolph.

[shaqfan1]

Any team with a second round pick can be a trade partner with the Knicks for Randolph.

[Ced]

Any team with a second round pick can be a trade partner with the Knicks for Randolph.

They would also need cap space or a large trade exception.

Thanks for stopping by Mr Intelligent

[pillwenney]

Moving to the trade board.

And no, the Kings have zero interest in Zach unless something very valuable is coming with him (which the Knicks wouldn't do).

[NO-KG-AI]

I actually think he would fit really well in Orlando. He's a good enough shooter to leave room for Howard, he helps on the glass so Howard isn't killing himself there, and Dwight can cover some of his defensive deficiencies.

[VintaGe36]

[b]
Atlanta: Josh Smith sign and trade for Randolph and Lee?
-The Hawks may be tempted to take this, though the Knicks don't want to take on salaries..... so I see this as an unlikley move.

I would hope that Josh Smith's value around the league would be better than this. Thats a pretty horrid offer for such a young player with so much potential in Smith.

Chicago: Larry Hughes? Drew Gooden and filler?
-I could realistically see Chicago making a push for Randolph, but I don't think the Knicks want Ben Gordon through a sign and trade (at the price Gordon is asking for). Maybe if a 3rd team became involved.... or just a straight dump of Randolph and Lee for Hughes and/ or Gooden and filler.

I wonder how many languages CHI has to say no in to sending Randolph to them.

My guess is 26, I'll get it started.

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Golden State: Harrington & Wright for Randolph and Lee?
-Golden State are such an unpredictable franchise.... you just never know. They have taken on a lot of salary lately, so they might not be so eager to take on Zach's contract. Lee is a shorter version of the recently resigned Biedrins.

ok, a few things here.

1. Harrington > Randolph and Wright > Lee so where exactly is there ANY incentive for GSW?
2. Biedrins is a solid defensive C who puts up 10/10 on good %'s. Can Lee even play D?

LA Clippers: Camby for Randolph?
-A likely trade for both teams. Both teams get something of value. The Clippers end up with one starting center on the roster (and get a decent scoring option to help replace Brand at pf), and the Knicks get someone perfect to pair with Curry (a defensive pass first bigman)

-Camby is a better fit for LAC, as he WONT clog the lane for Kaman, and can play D, two things Randolph CANT do.
-Camby's contract ends at the same time as Tim Thomas' and Cutino Mobleys, which means MASSIVE cap space in two years, can't see them throwing it away for Randolph....

Milwaukee: Villaneuva, Mason and Gadzuric for Lee and Randolph?
-This doesn't really make any sense for Milwaukee, but Milwaukee often overpay players and make foolish trades for one dimensional players, so who knows.

Enlighten me on how or when MIL has overpaid for one dimensional players via trade in recent years?

[trwi7]

For the one billionth time. Milwaukee wouldn't trade their three worst contracts for Randolph. That should pretty much clue everyone in on their interest in him.

[nba_addict]

Dallas is a possible destination. A trade of Dampier + Fillers for Randolph may make some sense. Fans will hate it though.

[VintaGe36]

Dal won't trade their best defensive C(and only one IIRC) for Zach Randolph.

The fans would hate it because the team would suck.

[Jugs]

(and only one IIRC)

DeSagana Diop says hai.

[jax98]

You should really add Chicago to the list of teams not interested in Randolph. Even John Paxson has stated he weren't interested. There's no way Zach comes to Chicago. None, zip, nada, nul!

[ecuhus1981]

I will challenge the assertions Ced has made, of paossible trading partners:

ATL: Even if the Smoove situation completely melted down, ATL could find much better value for their team. The Hawks are built around bothering teams defensively with their length and speed. Sound like Zach or David? Didn't think so.

CHI: No. Paxson has said numerous times that Zach will never come to Chicago.

CLE: Ferry and Brown are much happier with 2010 cap freedom, and with a more defensively-oriented club. Randolph is not wanted in Cleveland.

GSW: Again, GSW is another team that doesn't want to slow their offense (and turn it into a more half-court-oriented one) or needlessly take on salary, and they do both here. Plus, you want Brandan???

LAC: It's almost comical how much NYK fans want this deal. It's never going to happen. Camby's deal expires conveniently before 2010; even if the Clippers do not intend to be major players during that offseason, they could always spin Marcus (or their other x-2010 contracts) to team who do. Also, Knick fans think they're doing LAC a favor here, but Camby complements Kaman better than Elton did, and better than Zach would. Marcus is high-post scorer and weak-side defender, whereas Kaman, Brand and Randolph are all low-block postmen who are best at man defense.

MIL: The Bucks nearly fired their GM for trying to trade Gadzuric and Simmons for Zach. I think that gives you a sense of their interest in him. (Here's a hint: ZERO!)

SAC: The Kings are rebuilding, and not interested in adding salary. Also, they have too many young PFs to develop on their roster already, so Zach is completely undesirable.

IN summary, no one wants Zach.

[trwi7]

MIL: The Bucks nearly fired their GM for trying to trade Gadzuric and Simmons for Zach. I think that gives you a sense of their interest in him. (Here's a hint: ZERO!)

To be fair our GM didn't want to trade for Randolph. He just had no control over basketball decisions and it was the morons who actually did make the basketball decisions (i.e. the owners lawyers) that wanted Randolph.

[#1knickfan]

LAC: It's almost comical how much NYK fans want this deal. It's never going to happen. Camby's deal expires conveniently before 2010; even if the Clippers do not intend to be major players during that offseason, they could always spin Marcus (or their other x-2010 contracts) to team who do. Also, Knick fans think they're doing LAC a favor here, but Camby complements Kaman better than Elton did, and better than Zach would. Marcus is high-post scorer and weak-side defender, whereas Kaman, Brand and Randolph are all low-block postmen who are best at man defense.

What is comical is I don't recall NYK fans lining up to make this deal. Its a nice trade that solves both teams problems but lets not exaggerate. Secondly, I have never read a dumber statement that when you wrote Camby is a better compliment for Kaman than Elton Brand and let me tell you why. Elton Brand is not a complimentary player on any team other than an All Star team or an Olympic team and he's certainly not a player who is brought in to compliment a guy like Kaman. Its the other way around. Secondly, correct me if I am wrong but when you say Camby is going to compliment Kaman it sounds as if you think Kaman is a go to scorer in the post. He hasn't proved to be that kind of player yet. He stepped up when Brand wasn't in the picture but lets see how he does in a second season without Brand b4 we start calling him the real deal.

[bcortell]

Oh no not another ZBo thread. Cavs want nothing to do with him. Nothing.

[BR0D1E86]

Just take the Bulls right out of there. Rather eat Larry Hughes’ contract.

[Toyman7777]

I actually would consider him for Orlando as well. and here's my reasoning. Orlando need rebounding badly and zach can do that and also when dwight goes to the bench you could still have a low post presnce on the floor to spread the floor for Orlandos shooters. EXCEPT, Zach is a blackhole and never passes the ball and is an idiot, so I am not sure it would work out well.

Its such a shame, the guy oozes talent

[eitanr]

The one team that should be interested is the Clippers and they should not throw Camby in any deal. The Knicks already rejected a 2nd rd pick for Z-Bo, so I am not sure what else the Clipps could offer, but they could re-explore other options if NY gets desperate.

A trade of Mobley and Thomas for Z-Bo and Mardy Collins is the only deal the Clipps should consider. The Knicks get their salary dump of the favorable 2010 off-season and actually get some players that could fit in an MDA system. The Clipps could run a front court trio of Camby/Kaman/Z-Bo. This is helpful for the Clipps who could be hindered by injury problems to either Camby or Kaman or B-Diddy. With any of these injured, Z-Bo would be useful as a big man and a scorer. Also surrounding Z-Bo with as much D as possible could be the best thing for him. There is enough minutes at the 4/5 slot (96) to accomodate 3 guys playing 32 minutes per game.

[ecuhus1981]

Eh, it's a better idea than Zach-for-Camby, but who wants a $14mil backup? For the next 3 years? Tim is more than capable of handling the minutes if Camby or Kaman suffered an injury, and even Thornton can play PF.

[ecuhus1981]

What is comical is I don't recall NYK fans lining up to make this deal. Its a nice trade that solves both teams problems but lets not exaggerate. Secondly, I have never read a dumber statement that when you wrote Camby is a better compliment for Kaman than Elton Brand and let me tell you why. Elton Brand is not a complimentary player on any team other than an All Star team or an Olympic team and he's certainly not a player who is brought in to compliment a guy like Kaman. Its the other way around. Secondly, correct me if I am wrong but when you say Camby is going to compliment Kaman it sounds as if you think Kaman is a go to scorer in the post. He hasn't proved to be that kind of player yet. He stepped up when Brand wasn't in the picture but lets see how he does in a second season without Brand b4 we start calling him the real deal.

First of all, it's "complement", not "compliment". They are homonyms.

When you speak of complementary angles in geometry, the bigger angle can be defined as complementary to the smaller one, just like the smaller one can be to the larger one. SO, it's not a matter of which player is more important or more talented, to describe a complementary relationship. If they are complementary to each other, you can it say either way.

As for the comical part, this is like the 50th time I have seen the Camby-for-Zach trade idea. You should know this, the forum was FLOODED with this idea after LAC acquired Marcus. Don't front, #1, NYK fans have had a collective hard-on for Camby long before the DEN deal.

Brand, Randolph and Kaman are all primarily scorers inside of 10 feet. Camby has been a reliable jumpshooter from 15-18ft for quite some time. Also, I believe Marcus' body will be more durable than previously throughout the rest of his contract, now that he won't be giving up 40lbs as a defender night in and night out.