Raptors look to deal

[HMFFL]

The silly season gets sillier by the day. A reasonable, workable trade scenario involving the Knicks and Raptors was floated on Bulls.com by veteran NBA writer Sam Smith -- Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry to Toronto for Jermaine O'Neal and Anthony Parker. Sounds good. The Knicks get something for Marbury, and J.O.'s monstrous contract comes off the books in time for the 2010 free-agent derby. Only one problem: The Knicks and Raptors haven't discussed a trade in months, according to an executive familiar with both teams' plans.

One thing is clear: Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo is looking to deal. O'Neal isn't fitting in with Toronto, and Colangelo is under tremendous pressure to turn this team around to appease Chris Bosh, who has the all-important player option in 2010. A likely trade chip will be Parker and his $4.6 million expiring contract. Toronto will come up numerous trade scenarios floated and discussed between now and the Feb. 19 deadline, and is all but certain to pull the trigger on something. Just not this one.

Marbury's buyout talks continue to creep forward, but a person with ties to Marbury said he doesn't expect anything to be finalized before January. The Knicks have given Marbury permission to find a deal with another team, but Marbury's representative, Hal Biagas of the NBA Players Association, is playing that side of it close to the vest.

There will be no trade market for Curry, on the books for $31.5 through 2010-11, until he gets on the floor and plays. He hasn't logged a minute since preseason due to a knee injury.

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I'm not exactly wanting Jermaine due to his injuries and for the simple fact that his body can't handle the nightly abuse. However, we might be able to dump a bad contract, and free ourselves of a year on someone like Eric Dampier's contract. Bryan Colangelo is still very difficult to deal with and probably destroys our front office with any trade.

[HMFFL]

"Bryan's in a panic," said one general manager. Toronto is said to be talking about various options, some of which could include the Bulls. One GM said he's first been trying to unload the expiring deal of Anthony Parker, though that won't yield much. Another GM says he's now hearing the Raptors want to move Jermaine O'Neal. Good luck, I say, with O'Neal making $23 million next season. But here's the thinking: O'Neal for Stephon Marbury, which is perhaps one reason the Knicks continue to hold onto Marbury.

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[JES12]

I'm not exactly wanting Jermaine due to his injuries and for the simple fact that his body can't handle the nightly abuse. However, we might be able to dump a bad contract, and free ourselves of a year on someone like Eric Dampier's contract. Bryan Colangelo is still very difficult to deal with and probably destroys our front office with any trade.

Um, I'm not sure if you are suggesting marbury come here, but if you want JO, you are not cutting a year off Dampier's salary as they are both 2010 expiring.

Here is th only way I want JO...and it does not include NY.

Dallas gets Wallace + O'neal + Moon
Toronto gets Howard + George + Mohammad
Charlotte gets Stack + Diop + Bass + Toronto pick

Dallas lineup
O'neal - Dampier
Nowitzki - Singleton
Wallace - Moon - Williams
Wright - Terry - Green
Kidd - Barea

[HMFFL]

I always forget the amount of years Eric has left. I looked at hoopshype which is normally a big no-no. I posted the second link because I noticed it after the first link.

Solid trade idea. A draft pick or two might need to be included, but I like it for the most part, and it's overall fair for every team.

[MEDIC]

I'm not exactly wanting Jermaine due to his injuries and for the simple fact that his body can't handle the nightly abuse. However, we might be able to dump a bad contract, and free ourselves of a year on someone like Eric Dampier's contract. Bryan Colangelo is still very difficult to deal with and probably destroys our front office with any trade.

Um, I'm not sure if you are suggesting marbury come here, but if you want JO, you are not cutting a year off Dampier's salary as they are both 2010 expiring.

Here is th only way I want JO...and it does not include NY.

Dallas gets Wallace + O'neal + Moon
Toronto gets Howard + George + Mohammad
Charlotte gets Stack + Diop + Bass + Toronto pick

Dallas lineup
O'neal - Dampier
Nowitzki - Singleton
Wallace - Moon - Williams
Wright - Terry - Green
Kidd - Barea

There are lots of people on the TO board that would love this trade (myself included). I proposed something along these lines on this board a few days ago.

JO has actually had a pretty good year for us so far. Tough defense, blocking shots....good lane intimidator. He has scored 20+ on a few occasions too. Many Raps fans would agrue that he has been our most consistent player this season so far. People love his toughness here, but for some reason, he doesn't appear to be working well with Bosh.

[italy_23]

nice trade proposal here JES!
I'd do it

[catalyst]

I still think that the mavs will not be much of a player in 2010. Think of who will be here then. Not really much to draw in those FAs. I figure the lineup then is as follows:

Dirk - if resigned at 32 and starting to head downhill on a max out or high contract.
Terry - 33
Diop at 28 and still earning only 15 mins per game
Kidd - 37 and maybe not resigned
Howard - 30 and fading
JJB and Williams
2009 First Rounder.
Various and sundry low level FAs.

I am not sure that this aging team will draw in a superstar. I believe that in the gold rush of 2010 that players will be moving teams. I just am having trouble seeing what the mavs have to offer one or more of the primo guys, and anything but money to the next tier. I dont beleive that titles or long playoff runs will happen with that old team. The money may be enough, but I am also not sure that desired FAs in multiple tiers want to play for carlisle and cuban. I have been trying to express this and urge the mavs be a buyer now of longer contracts and not shoot and miss at FAs, which has been the MO for the entirety of Mavs history. Just my opinion that I fear will be realized in 1 1/2 years. I do like that they are aiming at it, but do not see it happening.

[JES12]

IMO if Lebron already expressed interest in playing for Cuban you have to do everything in your ability to get him here. Bosh coming back home would be a nice incentive as well.

But I do believe Diop and maybe Terry need to go.

[catalyst]

IMO if Lebron already expressed interest in playing for Cuban you have to do everything in your ability to get him here. Bosh coming back home would be a nice incentive as well.

But I do believe Diop and maybe Terry need to go.

Lebron has shown interest in several teams, including the much more appealing team in LA and more appealing city in NY. And would dirk go away with those potential signings?

[2011Champs]

IMO if Lebron already expressed interest in playing for Cuban you have to do everything in your ability to get him here. Bosh coming back home would be a nice incentive as well.

But I do believe Diop and maybe Terry need to go.

Lebron has shown interest in several teams, including the much more appealing team in LA and more appealing city in NY. And would dirk go away with those potential signings?

Every player says they want to play in Dallas and for Cuban and then they go elsewhere. Mark my words...LeBron James has zero chance of coming to Dallas via free agency in 2010. Give up on that idea because its not going to happen whatever James says now. Dallas is only a bargaining chip and not a destination for any star free agent. Lets get some players in here by taking on some longer contracts and let the other teams dump salary for a long shot at a free agent. Look at our core players...Dirk via trade for Tractor, Terry in a deal for Antoine Walker, Howard was a draft pick, Kidd via Harris trade, (Harris from a draft pick aquired in Antawn Jamison trade).
History shows we need to trade and get some picks to become better.

[catalyst]

in addition, name the great FAs that the mavs have signed? Still thinking? That is what i thought.

[from_ro_to_dirk]

in addition, name the great FAs that the mavs have signed? Still thinking? That is what i thought.

ok but when has the Cuban era Mavs had any cap space to land a significant free agent? That is what i thought.

[2011Champs]

in addition, name the great FAs that the mavs have signed? Still thinking? That is what i thought.

Diop !!!

[JES12]

in addition, name the great FAs that the mavs have signed? Still thinking? That is what i thought.

ok but when has the Cuban era Mavs had any cap space to land a significant free agent? That is what i thought.

+1

[catalyst]

If Diop is the top one we can name, then this team has been even worse than I thought in signing FAs. They have had room to sign FAs, but only their own all star line up like LaFrentz, Bradley, finley. The system has changed over the years, but Cuban was not able in the early years to bring anyone of significance in. That is my point, and I doubt FO ability to sign anyone of significance. They think that everyone wants to come here. My point is to ask What is the reason to come here? Lots of money but other teams will have money too.

[JES12]

Do yu think they re-signed there own free agents because, I don't knw, this thing called Bird rights?

Barea, Bass, Green, Jones, Christie, Daniels, Griffin, the 1st time around with Diop & George were all good signings for the money they signed for even if they did not turn out they way we wanted them to.

But realistically, what MLE or less player did they want and not be able to attract? Mike James? Thank god! Mo Pete? Ditto. Corey Maggette? LOL, great! Michael Olowakandi, the same.

Now if you are complaining that we persued Michael Redd (who did sign an offer sheet with us) Rashard Lewis and Gerald Wallace and failed....look at the money they got and the money we had to give.

So tell me, cat....the best team at attracting FA for MLE or less is who?

[dirkforpres]

I wouldnt mind looking to deal for Bargnani because he has potential, or maybe O'Neal if they would take Stack and Diop.

[JES12]

The one thing I know for sure is that you can get good players with a trade (and may stilll be a downgrade) but you get great players through the draft and free agency (if you have cap room).

We start buying using Stack, Howard, Dampier, George, Wright, and every other 2010 friendly contract and we will be a playoff team that gets nowhere.

[2011Champs]

We tried really hard to sign Alonzo Mourning and couldn't pull it off. I don't recall what was offered or the details why he chose not to come here.
I forgot Cuban did sign Dennis Rodman who did rebound well in his very short Maverick career.

[JES12]

I forgot about Mourning. Didn't he say he was coming here and then changed his mind at the last minute?