Vlad vs. Luke by the numbers.....

lakeshow248 · Post #1 » by **lakeshow248** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:13 pm

Luke's numbers will be a 10 game span from Dec 10th till now. Vlad's numbers will be from start of year till Dec.9 a span of 20 games. So, as starters will be the idea here.

Team record in Vlad starts 17-3, with Luke 8-2.

Vlad 22.2 mpg, FG% .431, 3 PT% .475, FT 13-16, REB 3.4, AST 1.1, STLS 0.7 , BLKS 0.3, TO 1.55. PPG 8.
Luke 20.8mpg, FG% .391, 3 PT% .286, FT 8-8, REB 3.0, AST 3.1, STLS 0.5, BLKS 0.4, TO 1.30. PPG 6.2.

I don't remember the exact date of the full time switch but I think the numbers on an average are correct.

Vlad shoots the ball much better and Luke adds ball movement by around 2 Assists. So not much to chose from.

I think depending on the team the Lakers' are playing then it dictates who is better suited for it. Like Luke vs. Boston is better because he is more careful and ball movement is needed to play a tough defense. However a team like GSW or the Knicks Vlad is more suited because he will get open and have the ability to hit threes.

So, in conclusion we need one player that has the combined attributes Ariza, Vlad and Luke. They need Ariza's D and hustle, Luke's passing and Vlad's shooting. Instead they got three people with the right attributes but have to pay them 3 different salaries--a combined 15 million and their can only be one of them on the floor at the same time.

hermes · Post #2 » by **hermes** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:21 pm

so this super SF, what would you pay for his services 15mil?

how about lebron?

why can't we just keep the three guys, leave them in their roles and have the depth

lakeshow248 · Post #3 » by **lakeshow248** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:48 pm

I think the major concern is the part where they play Vlad tight to the three point line and he becomes invisible and turn over prone. They play off of Ariza and he hits 3 outta 10 jumpers or they let Luke do what he does and miss from the outside and get blocked when he goes inside.

I think the team needs a dribble drive guy who can get to the line and make free throws. Like a Wallace or Jackson. You add someone like this and in tough playoff games against say the Cavs or the Celtics they won't be able to cheat defensively by not guarding the Small forward tightly and just sagging to the middle to stop Kobe.

And another thing that it will add is the part when Kobe sits down, I remember in the playoffs when he did they had trouble staying close or keeping a lead vs. Boston. Boston has the option of putting at least two guys who can score on their own on the floor at all times while the other one rests.

The Lakers' don't have that, once Kobe sits down then it's Gasol and he is not one to demand the ball, they had Odom last year in that role and he was terrible. Bynum this year is too young to command the ball because he will have the Odom narrow minded focus of-- must score no matter what and either take a bad shot or turn it over trying to do to much.

You add a G Wallace for example and you can put out a lineup of Farmar, Sasha, Gasol, Powell, Wallace and I think that team can hold their own, just because of Wallace's slashing ability to get to the hole. He gets their 7 times a game and makes on average like 6.6 I think it is. Kobe can't play the full game and be effective so they need someone who can get to the rim on the second unit, not just stand around and take outside contested Jumpers.

Gus McCrae · Post #4 » by **Gus McCrae** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:54 pm

ah yes, and then there are things that box scores don't show. Like in the GSW game when Vlad checked into the game, then immediately proceeded to lob a pass directly to Biedrins from the top of the key, shocking everyone. Biedrins gave it up to S-Jax I believe, who Vlad rendezvou'd with on the other end of the court for an And1 . Truly one of the worst possessions I've ever seen.

I was very much against the LUke for Vlad switch when Phil decided to do so, I think we only had 2 losses at that time, but watching more Luke, I like the guy. He took it to the hole on the Celtics, airballed a 3, then came back to hit another, and is generally a crafty player. He also has the balls not to give it to Kobe when Kobe demands it, which I think everyone but D-Fish will always cave into Kobe.

Luke > Vlad for now, but that can change quickly.

Post #5 » by **crazyeights** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:21 am

To be fair, wasn't that Vlad's first really bonehead possession in a while? He's been playing well from the bench. I'm pretty sure earlier in the season Luke wasn't looking as comfortable as he is now.

Minutes will help any player.

Though Lakeshow makes some good points about needing another play-maker (meaning someone the defense gives a damn about).

This is why Sasha plays so great with Kobe on the floor. The defense has to respect Kobe and can't sag off. Our second unit, though talented, has nobody who commands much more attention than straight man. And when they cut off our running game and we're forced into a half-court set, a team like Boston will clog the middle, turning us into chuckers.

Dr Aki · Post #6 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:21 am

lakeshow248 wrote:So, in conclusion we need one player that has the combined attributes Ariza, Vlad and Luke. They need Ariza's D and hustle, Luke's passing and Vlad's shooting. Instead they got three people with the right attributes but have to pay them 3 different salaries--a combined 15 million and their can only be one of them on the floor at the same time.

his name is larry bird

Post #7 » by **Danny Darko** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:29 pm

Thanks for the comparison. I really think it's funny that the reports keep saying "the lakers aren't likely to shuffle luke out of the lineup because of their success and record with him in" 8-2? vs 17-3? That stint where everyone was complaining that we sucked was the beginning of the Walton experiment. Now, Luke has really hustled his ass off and played pretty well, but I just don't see a clear reason to be starting him vs most teams.

I have also been shocked at Odom's long distance shooting lately... if he could keep that up the answer would be start Lamar at the 3.. Why have we not seen that even once this year? Not even just Pau, Drew, and LO at the same time anytime during any game... wtf is going on there?

Post #8 » by **crazyeights** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:07 am

Phil is, for whatever reason, determined to use Lamar as a 6th man...but that's still no excuse to not even see the big 3 lineup once.

For as much as this was discussed over the off-season (by Phil himself) I think that's the biggest disappointment of the season thus far. I'm only hoping that for some reason we're saving it. Not sure why that would be though.

Probably just pipe.

what would jack bauer do? · Post #9 » by **what would jack bauer do?** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:50 am

Sounds like you want to add Francisco Garcia... sorry I had to. I'm so high on that guy, he's pretty much the ultimate sf that would fit our team.

Fish-Kobe-Garcia-Gasol-Bynum would just be lethal on BOTH ends of the floor.

lakeshow248 · Post #10 » by **lakeshow248** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:55 am

I really like John Salmons and I've read today he might go on the block if they can get something solid in return. So, I guess their goes the Lakers' chances for him. At least we got Luke and Vlad.

what would jack bauer do? · Post #11 » by **what would jack bauer do?** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:15 am

Yeah I agree, Salmons is a great defender too. I remember he completely dominated Michael Redd for like 5 possessions in a row in the 4th quarter of a game last year. He always gives Kobe trouble too. Wish we could land him.

Mamba Venom · Post #12 » by **Mamba Venom** » Fri Jan 2, 2009 1:03 am

BOTH GUYS ARE OVERPAID TALENT

ODOM SHOULD START AT SF OR AT LEAST RUN W/ FISH, BYNUM, GASOL & KOBE IN THE 4TH!!!

ALL HAIL · Post #13 » by **ALL HAIL** » Sat Jan 3, 2009 5:13 am

Salmons was signed by the Kings in the same offseason that we signed Radmonovic (a plyaer who at the time had never really shot over 40 percent from the field).