Big tactical mistake by Rivers!

klemen4 · Post #1 » by **klemen4** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:24 am

It is only halftime of the Detroit:Boston game and I just canot belive how stuborn Doc is. The return of Tony Allen totally destroyed our bench play and Doc is to blame.Why?

When Tony was injured Doc had no other option to play Pruitt, mening House moved to SG. With that move our bench became a lot more efficient and House exploded in HIS role. And tonight, I really cant belive how could Rivers be so stupid putting House back to pg, with Tony at sg and Paul at sf. Our 9 game wining streak energy and game plan died that moment. It was like watching our bench in that 2-7 slump. He destroyed Eddies offensive game, Allen again handled the ball a few times...

Marbury as soon as posiblle. Why?
If he comes Doc would have no other option than to put him on pg spot, eddie at sg and Allen at sf.

And another thing...if go with house,pierce,allen rotation play paul at pointforward for gods sake

Doc Rivers...you really disapointed me...

Sory for gramar mistakes...im nerveus

da_truth34 · Post #2 » by **da_truth34** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:26 am

Tony Allen is teh sux0r

FederalePDT · Post #3 » by **FederalePDT** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:22 am

clap, clap, clap

TheOGJabroni · Post #4 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:29 am

Well OKC's board has made a comment about wanting TA and a cap filler for Joe Smith since D Maon is out for the year now. I really hope something like that actually happens.

BillessuR6 · Post #5 » by **BillessuR6** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:14 am

Couldn`t agree more. House at PG and TA at SG just kills this team...

Hemingway · Post #6 » by **Hemingway** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:09 pm

Here is the thing: You don't really want your coach to be as reactionary as a basketball message board. Doc makes his game plan and sticks to it, win or lose. It might be tempting to ride the hot players but that can destroy the rhythm of the rest of the team. Players need to know what their roles are and have those roles stay the same night in and night out so they can improve in them. It would be tempting to keep things the same and play Tony less because we are winning but that would destroy Tony's confidence thus bringing down his value in any possible future trades and future games. Overall Docs rotations are solid, give him credit not ridicule for sticking to them because that is what we need. On a star studded team, consistancy above all is what you need from your head coach nd Doc gives us that.

Dirty Water · Post #7 » by **Dirty Water** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:12 pm

da_truth34 wrote:Tony Allen is teh sux0r

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billfromBoston · Post #8 » by **billfromBoston** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:27 pm

Hemingway wrote:Here is the thing: You don't really want your coach to be as reactionary as a basketball message board. Doc makes his game plan and sticks to it, win or lose. It might be tempting to ride the hot players but that can destroy the rhythm of the rest of the team. Players need to know what their roles are and have those roles stay the same night in and night out so they can improve in them. It would be tempting to keep things the same and play Tony less because we are winning but that would destroy Tony's confidence thus bringing down his value in any possible future trades and future games. Overall Docs rotations are solid, give him credit not ridicule for sticking to them because that is what we need. On a star studded team, consistancy above all is what you need from your head coach nd Doc gives us that.

The board spends 3 years attacking Rivers for not having a rotation and then 2 seasons blasting him for sticking to one.... :roll:

Tony has to play his way out of the rotation, he doesn't get bumped by default - I agree with Eddie being off ball, but Eddie did very little ball-handling in the half court - it was Detroits attention to his wherabouts that limited his looks, not TA's presence on the court..

Rocky5000 · Post #9 » by **Rocky5000** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:01 pm

I don't think it has anything to do with Tony at all. While Tony was out, Eddie had similar problems getting open looks against a good defense in Orlando. The Pistons were smart enough not to leave Eddie when he was playing off the ball, just like they didn't leave Ray Allen.
Sacramento is the WORST defensive team in the league. Who are the other teams Eddie scored big on? Miami, and Dallas. Miami is a young team with a young coach, and Dallas while not a absolutely horrible defense team, gives up 99 ppg.

Detroit is 4th in the league in points against, they only allow 93.2 ppg. Additionally, detroit only plays an 8 man rotation, which means that a lot of the time our bench players were matched up against starters, and Hamilton was one of the 'bench players'. With a 3 guard rotation of Stuckey, Hamilton, and Iverson in the backcourt Eddie was playing against a stronger opponent than usual. So let's not lay all of the blame on TA, who didn't even turn the ball over once yesterday, and played very solid defense. The player really having trouble handling the ball against Detroit was Pierce, who had 4 TOs and made some very bad passes.

cfan79 · Post #10 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:32 pm

I think you are being too hard on Tony. Sure he had a bad game, but his defense as always is really good. He's all over his opponent.

ryaningf · Post #11 » by **ryaningf** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:43 pm

TA is too easy a target. The fact is, House is a very limited player and easily defended. If a team game plans for him, and denies him open looks, he's going to struggle since he can't create his own shot or shoot a high percentage off-the-dribble. That's what Detroit did, it's what Orlando did, it's what the teams in the playoffs did last spring to a large extent. To me, the issue is between House and Pruitt, not TA and Pruitt. TA will continue to be the only true 2 on the bench. House will continue to be best utilized off the ball. And Pruitt will continue to be the best point guard on the bench. Doc needs to figure out a way to play all three. House probably should play with Rondo if possible and TA with Pruitt and possibly for a couple minutes a night Pruitt/House/TA should get some run. But a House/TA backcourt just doesn't seem to work that well. Forces TA into too many ballhandling opportunities and limits Eddie's open looks.

But there's a bigger problem that needs to be addressed. The real problem with playing House at point, beyond the fact that his effectiveness drops off a cliff, is that it impacts the entire 2nd team. Pruitt, while not doing anything special, positively impacts everyone else on the 2nd team. Personally, I'd only play House at the 2, but do it for shorter stretches to see if he's feeling it. Bring House first off the bench, let him play with Rondo, see if he's feeling it and then sub TA/Pruitt accordingly. But only for short stretches put House at point. He just absolutely kills the flow and makes everyone on the 2nd unit a poorer player when he's at point.

BigHands · Post #12 » by **BigHands** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:45 pm

billfromBoston wrote:The board spends 3 years attacking Rivers for not having a rotation and then 2 seasons blasting him for sticking to one....

LOL...because it is so true.