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Column: Suns Have Failed Shaq 

Post#1 » by The Diesel » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:17 am

Hey guys,

Johnny Ludden of Yahoo! Sports wrote a GREAT column the other day which I think everybody should read. I will post part of the article followed by the link so you can read the full article.

I agree with what it says; the Suns have failed Shaq more than he has failed them.

In my opinion, Terry Porter deserves most of the blame for the team underachieving this year and Shaq has done EVERYTHING that's been asked of him and more.

Here is the article (part of it) followed by the link. Enjoy and share your thoughts!

If you believe the wonders of the Internet, Shaquille O’Neal moonlights as a goalie, ranks as the tech-savviest 320-pound center in the NBA, and, yes, apparently rolls with Mickey Rourke. These days, he’s also making his free throws, so that much has changed.

Shaq will turn 37 in a week. He still multitasks, his shadow still swallows the longest of NBA hallways and, as All-Star weekend proved, he’s forever the life of the party. If you’re wondering where the years have gone, the league has kindly cued up a seven-day reunion tour. O’Neal and his Phoenix Suns lost to the Los Angeles Lakers on Thursday, and they’ll see them again on Sunday. Then it’s off to Florida to rekindle memories with the Orlando Magic and Miami Heat.

Four franchises, 17 seasons, and O’Neal knows his passport might have to collect at least one more stamp before he lumbers off into retirement. A week ago, the Suns tried to trade him. Those same trade winds will continue to blow this summer, and that’s why more than a few people would like to see him make next season his last. He’s been too good for too long to have to schlep his bags from team to team.

“This is just as a friend, with what he’s accomplished in this league, there’s no sense in him hanging on when he doesn’t have to,” Lakers guard Derek Fisher said. “… I think one more season after this season could be a good finish to a great career.”

This isn’t about whether O’Neal can play, but whether he should. O’Neal has proven he can still play. On Friday, he bullied the Toronto Raptors for 45 points. He doesn’t command a double-team as often as he once did, which lessens his impact, but the 17.4 points and 8.8 rebounds he’s averaged exceed the offensive production of Kevin Garnett. Shaq’s All-Star selection wasn’t a gift. He earned it.

The problem is the Suns are paying roughly $20 million for those 17.4 points and 8.8 rebounds. If O’Neal, like Garnett, was the missing piece for a championship team, his salary could be reasoned, in NBA terms, as a necessary expense. But O’Neal doesn’t defend like Garnett and the Suns certainly aren’t the Celtics.

The Suns tried to trade O’Neal for the same reason the Lakers and Heat traded him: They no longer wanted to pay him. Suns owner Robert Sarver has watched his fortune take a hit as the banking and mortgage industries have taken theirs. And while Sarver can dip into the slush fund the NBA just created to help ailing franchises, the economy isn’t going to suddenly rebound over the summer. At some point, O’Neal and Amare Stoudemire likely will both go back on the trading block.

“Business is different,” O’Neal said. “A lot of guys want to do certain things to save money. I know at the end of the day any businessman is going to do what’s right for his or her business.”

The Cleveland Cavaliers were still discussing a deal for O’Neal on the day of the trade deadline, but only wanted to take him on if they could unload Ben Wallace’s own burdensome contract. O’Neal will be in the final season of his contract next season, so he might attract a few more suitors, particularly if he treats a few more opponents the way he did the Raptors.

Fisher, among others, thinks the trade talks wore on O’Neal to some degree. O’Neal refused to speak to reporters the day after the deadline and was said to be upset upon hearing the Suns had investigated trying to send him to Portland. He has since gone out of his way to compliment Suns GM Steve Kerr, who “called me and asked me what I thought.” Still, that has only raised skepticism that O’Neal is using his praise for Kerr as a veiled shot at Sarver.

O’Neal has never exited well. He ripped Lakers owner Jerry Buss and GM Mitch Kupchak for trading him to Miami then later criticized Heat president Pat Riley after he was sent to Phoenix. He now calls both trades “all about business.”

“I’m an up-and-down kind of guy,” O’Neal joked. “I get in and get under people’s skin and all that stuff. But you will remember me. That’s all that matters.”

The Suns remembered enough of what O’Neal did for the Lakers and Heat to gamble he could do the same for them. Since his arrival, however, the Suns have failed him more than he has them.

From Terry Porter’s hiring to the trade of Raja Bell and Boris Diaw for Jason Richardson, the Suns have been victimized by bad decisions and, more recently, bad luck. Unable to find a suitable offer for Stoudemire, the Suns opted to keep their All-Star forward, replace Porter with assistant Alvin Gentry and try to make a playoff push. The team quickly recaptured some of its confidence under Gentry only to learn an hour after the trade deadline that Stoudemire would likely be lost for the remainder of the season because of an eye injury. Steve Nash then rolled his ankle on Tuesday, leaving the Suns to face the Lakers without either their starting point guard or power forward.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ags6OPILVk0n9ULvhm7LK628vLYF?slug=jy-sunslakers022709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Your thoughts on the article?

I feel bad for Shaq because his critics will blame him for the Suns underachieving this year even though he's the LAST person who should be blamed for this mess.

Without Amare, this team won't even make the playoffs and the critics will blame the Shaq trade.

Shaq probably regrets coming to Phoenix and probably regrets leaving Miami.

Miami would be Championship contenders this year if he had stayed.
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Re: Column: Suns Have Failed Shaq 

Post#2 » by MaryvalesFinest » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:43 am

I agree so much Shaq hate. The guy won four championship rings and is going down as one of the greatest top 50 players in NBA history and the Suns are trying to scapegoat him basically. Shaq was the only guy defending Porter while Nash and Hill were the first to try and kick him out because they didn't like the style since it revolved so much around Shaq.

I'm glad Shaq came out and said he wanted more touches and look what he did

20/25 shooting and 45 points

If anything all other players on the Suns should listen to Shaq and respect Shaq, do what ever the man tells you because he's the only winner on the roster. Nash seems to think the Suns have to run and made knocks against Shaq because the offense was to revolved around him, Nash has never won a championship ring, he's not a winner on the otherhand Shaq is and he's the true leader of the Suns and knows how to win championships.
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Post#3 » by Phx4Life08 » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:46 am

It's hard to feel bad for a guy that makes 20,000,000 a year. For that much money I'll move where ever or do what ever you want :)
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Post#4 » by albasuna » Sun Mar 1, 2009 8:50 am

money aside, its true the suns have failed Nash and Shaq. Kerr mainly has failed Nash, Shaq, Marion, Diaw, Bell, D'Antoni and now Shaq. The players are also partially to blame but those higher ups and the coachs are supposed to be there to take control and weather the storm.


Whenever we lose and I see Shaq only taking 7 shots and 3 free throws I'll be very upset.
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Post#5 » by The Diesel » Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:04 am

Shaq's legacy is very important to him, and unfortunately, his time in Phoenix has not been very good mainly because of some horrible luck.

The team will probably miss the playoffs this year and he will take the majority of the blame from the critics.

This is why his stay has been so unsuccessful so far:

- Tim Duncan's 3 pointer and the Game 1 Double OT loss was a crushing, devastating, and heart-breaking loss from which the team never recovered.

- Grant Hill's injury right before the playoffs was a HUGE blow because Hill is the team's best all round player and best defender against Tony Parker; Parker ended up killing the Suns in that series.

- Terry Porter ruining the team

- Amare's season-ending injury just when things were starting to look really good under Alvin Gentry with the team returning to its up-tempo style.

- Looking back, I think they should have kept Diaw and Bell. (A mistake by Kerr)

As I said, Shaq has been a great leader since coming. He's worked very hard since coming to Phoenix and has done everything asked of him.

The guy was angry about the trade rumors because he wants to see things work out for him in Phoenix; he was almost traded to a Championship contender (Cleveland), but he wants to stay and see things work out with the Suns.

Unfortunately, Amare' injury and the damage done by Terry Porter has ruined any chance of winning a championship this year.

I feel awful for Shaq because the critics will point to his - so far - disappointing time in Phoenix and blame his arrival for this mess.

This despite the fact that he's played MUCH better than Marion this year, has been the team's best player this year, was an All-Star, and is having a remarkable season for a guy his age.

Kerr and Porter deserve the blame, not Shaq.

If this team had a better coach at the beginning of the season, this team would have a MUCH better record.
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Post#6 » by dantian » Sun Mar 1, 2009 12:23 pm

Shaq has been great as far as being prepared as a pro player. It's everything around him in Phoenix that's the problem.
However, if we do get into playoffs and Amare comes back then, we'd have a deeper, better battle-tested team to take the playoff run. The recent woes might turn out blessing in disguise. ;)
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Post#7 » by Phx4Life08 » Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:24 pm

dantian wrote:Shaq has been great as far as being prepared as a pro player. It's everything around him in Phoenix that's the problem.
However, if we do get into playoffs and Amare comes back then, we'd have a deeper, better battle-tested team to take the playoff run. The recent woes might turn out blessing in disguise. ;)


I like your sense of optimism and I think I'll adopt it as well. Although now the story is that Amare most likely wont even return for the playoffs so its quite a long shot.
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Post#8 » by cutthroat » Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:23 am

Phx4Life08 wrote:It's hard to feel bad for a guy that makes 20,000,000 a year. For that much money I'll move where ever or do what ever you want :)

his salary has nothing to do with it,the suns wont be where they are,shaq didn't leave Miami he was traded,and making the most of his situation.
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Post#9 » by The Diesel » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:34 pm

I'll bump this thread in-case someone missed it because I think everybody should read this article...it's really good.

I also feel bad for him because the critics have blamed him for Amare underachieving this year even though Amare averaged 29/10 last year AFTER Shaq came to Phoenix.

Amare underachieving was because of Terry Porter, not Shaq.
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Post#10 » by realsunsfan » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:38 pm

The Diesel wrote:I'll bump this thread in-case someone missed it because I think everybody should read this article...it's really good.

I also feel bad for him because the critics have blamed him for Amare underachieving this year even though Amare averaged 29/10 last year AFTER Shaq came to Phoenix.

Amare underachieving was because of Terry Porter, not Shaq.


I agree with you on that one, porter's sytem was the problem.....
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Post#11 » by contract » Thu Mar 5, 2009 6:04 am

The Diesel wrote:This isn’t about whether O’Neal can play, but whether he should.

Actually its about whether anyone can convince Shaq to actually stay in reasonable shape for 2 seasons in a row. The man ate himself up to about 360 lbs and semi-retired his way out of Miami.

Otherwise Wade might be carrying him to another NBA Championship this season.
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