What if Danny drafted Mario Chalmers at #30?

Jammer · Post #1 » by **Jammer** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:34 am

Well, what say you?

If Danny would have taken Chalmers over Giddens,
also assume Gabe Pruitt would have been traded before the end of July.

Well, at least Chalmers doesn't have cold feet about taking a shot.
Maybe because he makes them, that is.

Chalmers was a Kansas, boy, too.

Huh?? What happened.

Don't tell me Chalmers wanted to go to a crappy team where he'd play.

Just tell me why Danny didn't draft him.
Because it sure looks like he would have been solid.

ARB729 · Post #2 » by **ARB729** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:38 am

gonna be honest, i yelled for him draft night.. i honestly have thought he's gonna be a top 5 player from that draft since the heat took him

MaxwellSmart · Post #3 » by **MaxwellSmart** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:41 am

you can't win em all------but, I'll go on record--saying Giddens will be like James Posey by his 5th or 6th year in the league.

3pt % · Post #4 » by **3pt %** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:49 am

"what ifs" in respect of drafts are the most frustrating questions. They are bad enough for lottery picks, but by the time you get to no. 30.....

So much happens that we never know about.

Maybe they didn't want to develop another young pg? They thought it might affect Rondo's development? They liked our draft picks better?

So many possibilities.

Jammer · Post #5 » by **Jammer** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:54 am

ARB729 wrote:gonna be honest, i yelled for him draft night.. i honestly have thought he's gonna be a top 5 player from that draft since the heat took him

The Heat didn't take Chalmers, McHale did.

Riley called McHale, asked "what do you want for the #34 pick?"

McHale replied something along the lines of
"$2 million cash PLUS TWO future Second Round Picks".

Riley finally agreed on $1.5 million cash plus two future second rounders,
which will likely be Miami and Philadelphia's 2009 second round picks
in a very weak draft.

McHale, now a coach, would probably have rather had Chalmers services at PG
this year instead of Miami and Philadelphia's 2009 second round picks, plus $1.5 million cash.

Post #6 » by **sully00** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:14 am

Per reports Chalmers had nothing but dreadful workouts, he struggled big time shooting the ball and looked like he had developed a hitch in his stroke, he still doesn't have the best looking jump shot, but obviously it is falling.

One thing to keep in mind with Chalmers, in Miami, for whatever reason it has been a haven for pretty average pgs to put up some pretty impressive numbers. J Will, Chris Quinn, and Marcus Banks have all put up similar numbers to Chalmers over the last 2 or 3 years and you can make an argument that none of those 3 guys belong in the league.

It is hard to tell if he is any better than Gabe Pruitt, who has been given only a limited opportunity, and Chalmers was given a starting opportunity out of the gates. At the same time the Heat were reportedly hard after Marbury and have signed Luther Head so numbers aside the opportunity may not come with job security.

The only player that bothers me that we passed on was Luc Mbah a Moute, he was just a NBA ready team defender and offensive rebounder.

Post #7 » by **ParticleMan** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:45 am

I'm not worried about Chalmers. He's getting PT, so he's putting up some numbers. But you can't judge picks until the end of their rookie deal-- too many variables like situation, PT, opportunity, etc. Fact is, undersized SG is a position that's already occupied on this team, and frankly is about the easiest position to fill in the NBA. i too would have like Mbah a Moute, but again, we need another undersized PF like we need another KG injury (MaM is listed as a SF but really has a PF's game ala Reggie Evans). Meanwhile, with Posey leaving and the usual uncertainty with TA, we needed some backup wings. Giddens hasn't worked out that great (though i think he'll be a good player eventually), but Walker has been about as much as we could ask for.

Maybe you should be asking why other teams didn't draft (or trade for) Bill Walker.

JMillott · Post #8 » by **JMillott** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:46 am

Should have taken a flyer on Deandre Jordan if you ask me. Give him a couple years with Clifford Ray and with Perk and KG to be his mentors.

JellyBean · Post #9 » by **JellyBean** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:23 am

Chalmers would be a different player with the Celtics and under Doc. He won't get playing time so we won't see his true skills....i.e. Bill Walker. I think Bill Walker is a little better player than Chalmers if given playing minutes and probably with a different team that knows how to use talent.

Greenwise · Post #10 » by **Greenwise** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:43 am

The "what if's" are only analised when you do questionable decisions. Danny has made a lot of good choices in the draft and we could be talking about the mistakes he could have made instead. Sometimes you don't get the best players, but we certainly can't say that about Ainge's general drafting history.

Plus, who knows? Maybe Giddens will play a role next season and then this thread will become obsolete? :roll:

BillessuR6 · Post #11 » by **BillessuR6** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:19 am

He wouldn`t get minutes here...

But why Danny drafted Giddens? Because at that time he though we would lose TA and maybe even House. And he wanted a defensive guard to replace TA...

Banks2Pierce · Post #12 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:30 pm

There were probably people who still wanted Marcus Williams or Sergio after their first seasons....so we'll let this one play out.

And, I don't think I would even call Chalmers solid at this point. He's just average. Giddens has only played .5 seconds of non-garbage time in the NBA. People were willing to write Powe off early in his career, too.

Zin5 · Post #13 » by **Zin5** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:39 pm

JMillott wrote:Should have taken a flyer on Deandre Jordan if you ask me. Give him a couple years with Clifford Ray and with Perk and KG to be his mentors.

After Batum came off the board, this was who I was rooting for with our pick. Looks like it would have been more productive up to this point than the Giddens pick.

As for Chalmers, he'd probably still be buried in the bench like Pruitt, Giddens, and Walker.

JR Hawks · Post #14 » by **JR Hawks** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:12 pm

Ainge is not able to remain neutral when it comes to evaluating talent from his former conference (BYU), the Mountain West (see: Banks, Marcus and Giddens, J.R.). It's unfortunate, because he has pissed away two first round draft picks so far.

BillessuR6 · Post #15 » by **BillessuR6** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:19 pm

JR Hawks wrote:Ainge is not able to remain neutral when it comes to evaluating talent from his former conference (BYU), the Mountain West (see: Banks, Marcus and Giddens, J.R.). It's unfortunate, because he has pissed away two first round draft picks so far.

Yeah, he is a terrible drafter...

Youth4Glory · Post #16 » by **Youth4Glory** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:44 pm

DeAndre Jordan would have been a nice piece, also could he have created a better competition for POB throughout camp and the season?

My thoughts on Giddens are that he must be completely lost on defense and not being really good at any one thing on offense. He will have to show us something impressive (not this year) or will go this offseason or mid next year. He makes a lot for a rookie.

JMillott · Post #17 » by **JMillott** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:03 am

I think Giddens was drafted to replace Tony Allen, they were scared that it might've been this year but it wasn't. I still think he is the longterm replacement for Tony Allen at the moment.

By the way he doesn't make much for a rookie, he was the 30th pick so he gets the salary that comes with that pick. Its downright shocking that Danny Ainge got Bill Walker to sign such a small contract for four years all at the teams option.

JR Hawks · Post #18 » by **JR Hawks** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:51 am

thebirdman wrote:
JR Hawks wrote:Ainge is not able to remain neutral when it comes to evaluating talent from his former conference (BYU), the Mountain West (see: Banks, Marcus and Giddens, J.R.). It's unfortunate, because he has pissed away two first round draft picks so far.

Yeah, he is a terrible drafter...

Only when he can't contain his Mountain West love.

Banks2Pierce · Post #19 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:14 pm

JR Hawks wrote:
thebirdman wrote:
JR Hawks wrote:Ainge is not able to remain neutral when it comes to evaluating talent from his former conference (BYU), the Mountain West (see: Banks, Marcus and Giddens, J.R.). It's unfortunate, because he has pissed away two first round draft picks so far.

Yeah, he is a terrible drafter...

Only when he can't contain his Mountain West love.

We should brace ourselves for the Lee Cummard era then!!!

Jammer · Post #20 » by **Jammer** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:38 pm

Well, with 30 picks you're supposed to screw position, and take Best Player Available,
meaning can the guy play.

The Celts could have used help at backup PG, SG, SF and C last June,
since they knew PJ would retire.

Given the uncertainty around Tony Allen and Eddie House's free agency,
I thought a wing player made a lot of sense,
and JR Giddens may end up replacing Tony Allen.

The Walker pick was fantastic for a #47 pick,
but I suspect that picks last year were MUCH more expensive
than normal, because of the depth of last year's draft
and the lack of depth expected this year.

I guess I agree with several of the posters that it's too early to tell.

I suspect the team had an inkling that Marbury would fall into their lap,
and I suspect that the Celts figured that Steph would be at least as good as Chalmers.
Well, too bad they were wrong on the second part of the PG assumption,
although Steph did fall into their lap.

I think that for the Celtics to repeat, 1 of the following must occur:

1) Steph gets confidence in his shot, takes AND MAKES open jumpers
2) Celts make Eddie House primary backup PG, using Steph when they are desperate
for another scorer (days when guys are not hitting)

I'm also pleasantly surprised by Bill Walker's performance, the kid is only 21